谣言果然成真，炸炉走人的消息被证伪之后又被证实。

[billwanhua]

据说司机把这个前总司令弄去英国当大使去了。司机是高人，不能把丫留国内

WP: Zaluzhny refused the post of ambassador to Britain, not wanting to leave the army

Zaluzhny was humiliated by a civilian position. He does not agree to become Britain's ambassador while there is fighting in Ukraine. The Commander-in-chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Valery Zaluzhny, whom the President of

pravda-en.com

这个小报说前总司令拒绝出国当英国大使，肥差不要，估计盯着司机大位

 

[茶马盐铁]

少一股长期在建筑行业工作。当部长以后由预备役上尉直接晋升为少将。战神本来就是你这号人扎得稻草人。

都少将了就别提什么文官啦。你见过哪个文官是少将军衔的？

你要硬掰他之前是文官，那倒是要问问你了，古今中外，有哪个军人是从娘胎里出来就是军人的？哪个军人不是平民出身？
你这洗地洗得也太敷衍了吧。

“一战封神” 可不是我编的。他的minions敢封，难道别人就不能喊了？他干得好，那就是一战封神，结果他自己拉垮，成了个“一战封神”，还死霸着位置不肯让位，生生把世界第二军事强国拖成现在这副样子。

问题不在于别人，而在于战神自己。

 

[billwanhua]

基辅保卫战，哈尔科夫反击战，赫尔松右岸战役，大胜仗都希尔司机打的，

功高震主是原因，不过换人也算合理。乌军总司令的位置本来就是希尔司机的

Zaluzhny is out, the ‘butcher’ is in

The question now is what Oleksandr Syrskyi, 58, brings to the war.

www.politico.com

The question now is what Syrskyi, 58, brings to the war. Most notably he helped defend Kyiv against Russia’s onslaught and orchestrated a successful counteroffensive in Kharkiv.

But Syrskyi’s also known for leading forces into a meat grinder in Bakhmut, sending wave after wave of troops to face opposition fire. In the end, Kremlin-backed Wagner Group mercenaries captured the city.

For that and other reasons, Syrskyi is deeply unpopular with Ukraine’s rank-and-file.

“Very bad decision,” a Ukrainian military captain told NatSec Daily. The captain, like others, was granted anonymity to avoid retaliation or to provide their unvarnished opinion.

This person added that Ukrainian troops have given Syrskyi a gruesome nickname: “Butcher.” The captain confirmed that the nickname has stuck, as has “General200” — which stands for 200 dead on the battlefield.

外号屠夫
美国智库媒体说希尔在Bakhmut死战，结果还丢了Bakhmut，欧美以前分析一直说司机为了面子在Bakhmut无意义死战牺牲了太多耽误了反攻，原来是希尔打的

老美智库文章这么说，难怪有报道说美国支持前总司令，英国喜欢死机

 

[welcomelm]

Zaluzhny is out, the ‘butcher’ is in

The question now is what Oleksandr Syrskyi, 58, brings to the war.

www.politico.com

The question now is what Syrskyi, 58, brings to the war. Most notably he helped defend Kyiv against Russia’s onslaught and orchestrated a successful counteroffensive in Kharkiv.

But Syrskyi’s also known for leading forces into a meat grinder in Bakhmut, sending wave after wave of troops to face opposition fire. In the end, Kremlin-backed Wagner Group mercenaries captured the city.

For that and other reasons, Syrskyi is deeply unpopular with Ukraine’s rank-and-file.

“Very bad decision,” a Ukrainian military captain told NatSec Daily. The captain, like others, was granted anonymity to avoid retaliation or to provide their unvarnished opinion.

This person added that Ukrainian troops have given Syrskyi a gruesome nickname: “Butcher.” The captain confirmed that the nickname has stuck, as has “General200” — which stands for 200 dead on the battlefield.

外号屠夫
美国智库媒体说希尔在Bakhmut死战，结果还丢了Bakhmut，欧美以前分析一直说司机为了面子在Bakhmut无意义死战牺牲了太多耽误了反攻，原来是希尔打的

老美智库文字这么说，难怪有报道说美国支持前总司令，英国喜欢死机

瓦格纳死了20000到40000之间，NATO估计的战损比5：1

Battle of Bakhmut - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[RareEarth]

Zaluzhny is out, the ‘butcher’ is in

The question now is what Oleksandr Syrskyi, 58, brings to the war.

www.politico.com

The question now is what Syrskyi, 58, brings to the war. Most notably he helped defend Kyiv against Russia’s onslaught and orchestrated a successful counteroffensive in Kharkiv.

But Syrskyi’s also known for leading forces into a meat grinder in Bakhmut, sending wave after wave of troops to face opposition fire. In the end, Kremlin-backed Wagner Group mercenaries captured the city.

For that and other reasons, Syrskyi is deeply unpopular with Ukraine’s rank-and-file.

“Very bad decision,” a Ukrainian military captain told NatSec Daily. The captain, like others, was granted anonymity to avoid retaliation or to provide their unvarnished opinion.

This person added that Ukrainian troops have given Syrskyi a gruesome nickname: “Butcher.” The captain confirmed that the nickname has stuck, as has “General200” — which stands for 200 dead on the battlefield.

外号屠夫
美国智库媒体说希尔在Bakhmut死战，结果还丢了Bakhmut，欧美以前分析一直说司机为了面子在Bakhmut无意义死战牺牲了太多耽误了反攻，原来是希尔打的

希尔是陆军司令，可以讲所有主要战役都是他打的。Bakhmu打的政治仗。军事得服从政治。希尔听司机的，在军队里面就不讨好了。
按乌军现在的实力，不但火力仍然劣势，兵员也跟不上。希尔有多大能耐也改变不了基本面。

 

[RareEarth]

瓦格纳死了20000到40000之间，NATO估计的战损比5：1

Battle of Bakhmut - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

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巴哈姆特乌军在一个地形不利的洼地被轰了8个月，1/5火力居然将对方打出5倍战损， 稍稍有点脑子就知道不可能。
一个部队伤亡 20%就得退出休整。瓦格纳最多也没超过 5万，战斗中基本没有停顿，能伤亡多少？
乌军在巴哈姆特前后投入了40多个旅轮战，其中20个旅轮换补充了3次。伤亡规模 5-10万少不了的。

 

[billwanhua]

瓦格纳死了20000到40000之间，NATO估计的战损比5：1

Battle of Bakhmut - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

浏览附件1128368

首先这个是美国媒体说的。
俄罗斯媒体当然是宣传，NATO也好不了多少。即使5：1, 俄罗斯牺牲的是雇佣军和犯人，乌克兰是正规军。
你如果注意后来很多欧美媒体分析，有关乌克兰反攻失败都归罪于司机要面子不愿意放弃那里。

How Ukraine's counteroffensive went sideways

Ukraine's counteroffensive kicked off six months ago with new tanks and soaring expectations. Here's why it failed to break through.

www.businessinsider.com

"The question is, at what point do these attrition ratios only tell one side of the story when you look at the relative quality of troops that were attrited in Bakhmut, when you juxtapose very experienced people dying and being wounded in Bakhmut on the Ukrainian side versus conscripts and felons, relatively inexperienced and relatively combat ineffective soldiers on the Russian side being killed and wounded during the fight," Gady said.

The decision to stay and hold the line in Bakhmut pinned some of Ukraine's best troops, such as the 24th Mechanized Brigade and 80th Air Assault Brigade, down during planning stages for the counteroffensive and over the summer, leaving the daunting task of shattering Russian defenses to much less experienced troops, such as the majority of the 47th Mechanized Brigade, roughly 70 percent of which had no prior combat experience, per The Washington Post.

比喻这个分析，说乌克兰牺牲的是两个经验丰富的精英王牌部队，俄罗斯牺牲的是雇佣军和犯人，以及新兵。结果乌克兰后来反攻只能用有70%新兵的47th Mechanized Brigade

 

[welcomelm]

巴哈姆特乌军在一个地形不利的洼地被轰了8个月，1/5火力居然打出将对方打出5倍战损， 稍稍有点脑子就知道不可能。

苏德战争后期，苏联同样拥有火力和人数优势，但是德国的几个著名的防守战役，哪个不是打出了高交换比。俄罗斯人就知道人肉平推，又是进攻方，多死是应该的。

 

[billwanhua]

苏德战争后期，苏联同样拥有火力和人数优势，但是德国的几个著名的防守战役，哪个不是打出了高交换比。俄罗斯人就知道人肉平推，又是进攻方，多死是应该的。

拿一个F35换5个歼7, 也赚不了。
苏联当时也是新兵上战场，德国牺牲的是精英，苏联人多，德国人少。跟这个差不多。

 

[RareEarth]

苏德战争后期，苏联同样拥有火力和人数优势，但是德国的几个著名的防守战役，哪个不是打出了高交换比。俄罗斯人就知道人肉平推，又是进攻方，多死是应该的。

这就是瞎扯。乌军能和德军比？ 而且瓦格纳雇佣军是生意人。不是不计成本的传统俄军苏军。巴哈姆特过程中，瓦格纳打仗的风格很灵活。开始6月就是炮轰杀伤，最后迂回攻城，很快解决战斗。稳如老狗，动若脱兔。