看来电池比内燃机长命得多

假设这辆车是从 2005 年开跑,那也得每年十万公里,还取决于多大的轱辘跑的。是在地面上跑的吗?
 
假设这辆车是从 2005 年开跑,那也得每年十万公里,还取决于多大的轱辘跑的。是在地面上跑的吗?
确实有点可疑。
文中讲了储能系统的例子,14年之后还能有90%容量。
当年上海的出租车两人倒班开,每月1万公里。如果要14年开满200万,得不分昼夜开,还得开高速。否则就只能是仿真了。
起码是10年前的技术了,看来CATL的确厉害。
 
Gemini tells me:
Based on reports of the test conducted by Morgan Stanley Research, here is the breakdown of how it was done and the reality behind the "1.25 million miles" figure.

Did they actually drive 1.25 million miles?

No, they did not physically drive a single car for 1.25 million miles (approx. 2 million km) for this specific report. Doing so would take roughly 15–20 years of continuous driving (e.g., driving 300 miles every single day).

Instead, the 1.25 million mile figure is a projection based on real-world data. The study analyzed the degradation curves (wear and tear) of batteries currently in use to forecast how long they would last before losing too much range.

How was the test done?

The "test" was actually a data analysis of real-world fleets rather than a controlled track experiment.




  • Source: Morgan Stanley Research analyzed data from ride-hailing (taxi) fleets operating in four major Chinese cities.



  • Sample Size: They tracked 12 different EV models and analyzed 100 battery samples.



  • Methodology:
    • They monitored the battery health and range loss of these high-usage vehicles over time.
    • Because taxis accumulate mileage much faster than personal cars, they provide excellent data on battery longevity.
    • Using this data, analysts calculated a "degradation curve" for each battery type.


  • The Result: The data showed that CATL batteries degraded so slowly that they were projected to still retain a usable driving range (about 250 miles / 400 km) even after hitting the 1.25 million mile mark. In contrast, batteries from rival manufacturers were projected to have significantly less range (around 217 miles / 350 km) or fail earlier at that same distance.



Summary

The report is a statistical analysis of real-world fleet data. While the cars themselves haven't driven 1.25 million miles yet, the wear patterns observed in the high-mileage taxis indicate the CATL batteries are durable enough to reach that milestone with plenty of life left, beating their competitors.
 
Gemini tells me:
Based on reports of the test conducted by Morgan Stanley Research, here is the breakdown of how it was done and the reality behind the "1.25 million miles" figure.

Did they actually drive 1.25 million miles?

No, they did not physically drive a single car for 1.25 million miles (approx. 2 million km) for this specific report. Doing so would take roughly 15–20 years of continuous driving (e.g., driving 300 miles every single day).

Instead, the 1.25 million mile figure is a projection based on real-world data. The study analyzed the degradation curves (wear and tear) of batteries currently in use to forecast how long they would last before losing too much range.

How was the test done?

The "test" was actually a data analysis of real-world fleets rather than a controlled track experiment.




  • Source: Morgan Stanley Research analyzed data from ride-hailing (taxi) fleets operating in four major Chinese cities.



  • Sample Size: They tracked 12 different EV models and analyzed 100 battery samples.



  • Methodology:
    • They monitored the battery health and range loss of these high-usage vehicles over time.
    • Because taxis accumulate mileage much faster than personal cars, they provide excellent data on battery longevity.
    • Using this data, analysts calculated a "degradation curve" for each battery type.

  • The Result: The data showed that CATL batteries degraded so slowly that they were projected to still retain a usable driving range (about 250 miles / 400 km) even after hitting the 1.25 million mile mark. In contrast, batteries from rival manufacturers were projected to have significantly less range (around 217 miles / 350 km) or fail earlier at that same distance.


Summary

The report is a statistical analysis of real-world fleet data. While the cars themselves haven't driven 1.25 million miles yet, the wear patterns observed in the high-mileage taxis indicate the CATL batteries are durable enough to reach that milestone with plenty of life left, beating their competitors.
理论上分析,如果地面摩擦无限小,这车可跑好多光年
 
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In addition, Morgan Stanley references the Zhangbei National Wind–Solar–Storage Demonstration Project, one of China’s earliest large-scale storage installations. Among four LFP battery suppliers involved:

  • Only CATL batteries have never been replaced
  • After 14 years of operation, capacity remains at approximately 90%
  • Other suppliers experienced large-scale replacements or early retirement
 
现在电车还有一个通病,属于逻辑设计问题,就是在起火或落水短路的时候,车门就会锁死,里外都打不开。中外的电车都有这问题。

这个得首先制定标准,规划出测试方案,才能约束车企规避设计问题。
 
现在电车还有一个通病,属于逻辑设计问题,就是在起火或落水短路的时候,车门就会锁死,里外都打不开。中外的电车都有这问题。

这个得首先制定标准,规划出测试方案,才能约束车企规避设计问题。
为什么这样设计?想改很容易。
 
Gemini tells me:
Based on reports of the test conducted by Morgan Stanley Research, here is the breakdown of how it was done and the reality behind the "1.25 million miles" figure.

Did they actually drive 1.25 million miles?

No, they did not physically drive a single car for 1.25 million miles (approx. 2 million km) for this specific report. Doing so would take roughly 15–20 years of continuous driving (e.g., driving 300 miles every single day).

Instead, the 1.25 million mile figure is a projection based on real-world data. The study analyzed the degradation curves (wear and tear) of batteries currently in use to forecast how long they would last before losing too much range.

How was the test done?

The "test" was actually a data analysis of real-world fleets rather than a controlled track experiment.




  • Source: Morgan Stanley Research analyzed data from ride-hailing (taxi) fleets operating in four major Chinese cities.



  • Sample Size: They tracked 12 different EV models and analyzed 100 battery samples.



  • Methodology:
    • They monitored the battery health and range loss of these high-usage vehicles over time.
    • Because taxis accumulate mileage much faster than personal cars, they provide excellent data on battery longevity.
    • Using this data, analysts calculated a "degradation curve" for each battery type.

  • The Result: The data showed that CATL batteries degraded so slowly that they were projected to still retain a usable driving range (about 250 miles / 400 km) even after hitting the 1.25 million mile mark. In contrast, batteries from rival manufacturers were projected to have significantly less range (around 217 miles / 350 km) or fail earlier at that same distance.


Summary

The report is a statistical analysis of real-world fleet data. While the cars themselves haven't driven 1.25 million miles yet, the wear patterns observed in the high-mileage taxis indicate the CATL batteries are durable enough to reach that milestone with plenty of life left, beating their competitors.
这也太太太不靠谱了。看图上好几个型号的衰减都是线性的。如果是extrapolation出来的,他们可真敢做assumption啊!
回过头来讲,为啥非得给2M Km数据呢,你给个二三十万公里也可以让大家放心了。
 
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