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大选之前,这坛子水着实混了一阵。奇怪的是结果出来了,这里却静悄悄的像一潭死水。:confused: :confused: :confused:
 
悄悄地说

是呀,奇怪!?
 
值得思考一下

在这个中文网站的一项民意投票中,支持保守党的人有着压倒性的优势,但这个结果确与加拿大主流社会的民意相反。保守党的政策如:增加军费开支,反堕胎,反同性恋似乎并没有赢得加拿大人们的多数支持。但为什么会在华人中得到如此多的支持呢?
 
Re: 值得思考一下

最初由 norm 发布
在这个中文网站的一项民意投票中,支持保守党的人有着压倒性的优势,但这个结果确与加拿大主流社会的民意相反。保守党的政策如:增加军费开支,反堕胎,反同性恋似乎并没有赢得加拿大人们的多数支持。但为什么会在华人中得到如此多的支持呢?
从论坛的言论看,自由党支持者占压倒性优势,与主流社会民意一致。不排除几个保守党狂热支持者重复投票,故弄玄虚
 
Re: 值得思考一下

女性啉民?保守??好感

在?啉哕?的最後肓段,保守?办起又一波???告攻?,重?在_?∨?赃x民。?告
?面上,夏巴刻意展示其住家好男人的形象,?著妻?老小在夕?下幽殄漫步,?上距
?出_N_?男θ荨?

最新的EKOS民意整查锢示,保守?的支持率存在著?其明锢的性?差距,及男性啉民的
支持率?35%,而女性啉民的支持率只有29%。呃?性?差?是自由?及新民主?的一
倍。

分析家指出,使?女,尤其是安省女性啉民疏哞保守?的原因是夏巴的右翼?啉政局。

民意整查?家、ENVIRONICS RESEARCH副?裁哌晋?(DONNA DASKO)指出,女性啉民?不
真正了解保守?的性冱,女性????保守?的立?,她??夏巴是否主?性?平等?
信?疑。

夏巴也杂是「新生的」保守?的新一代钌袖,可是其?呢子中,以及大部分保守?人的
爨魂深?只不咿是西部革新?及加拿大?盟的迂腐愚念。他?的右翼社?保守主柳??
?法真服加拿大其鹞地?的?女。

夏巴背著沉重包袱?加?邦?啉,而且???有韵法卸下呃一包袱。但是否他曾?想咿
?

如同其前任、加拿大?盟钌袖戴?徐(STOCKWELL DAY),夏巴在棘手的?胎?铨上跌跌
较较。如果他上台,夏巴不?重新展檫?呃一?铨的揆?,但他也不?阻止其??阻?
通咿私人阻案的方式,再次提出修改?胎法。

卡爨钅大?(CARLETON UNIVERSITY)社??教授桑德晋(ELIEEN SAUNDERS)指出,?於?
成?胎?力的大部分女性,以及男性?真,呃是一?盍警。但呃也是一?叟象。如果在
呃一?女自主?力的中心?铨上夏巴的立?是倒退的,在其他?铨上,他也不值得信
?。

加拿大?女?政治十分晷心,呃陪世界上其他地方的?女??不同。

一??北美、?洲及?洲16??家的?肴性研究锢示,政治?向的性?差?普遍存在。
女性比男性更加晷心社???,而不是甚???或赤字,而且女性更?向於支持政府干
盍。

新???人?、儋深女?哕?分子安德晋(DORIS ANDERSON)指出,表面上看,夏巴不
邋,但大部分女性?不信?夏巴及保守?的立?,尤其是安省?女,她???了保守?
省樘夏里斯(MIKE HARRIS)的靳治?月。

陪其他人一?,安德晋??伏在保守??部的?端分子及福音?教徒深感不安,一旦呃
些人得?,咄入?轺,他????「加拿大人?陪自由?章」、加拿大最高法院至?赀
角色上姿意妄?。

夏巴大部分?殓能?韵法在呃??铨上保持沉默,但保守?人士的狐狸尾巴不?锢露出
?,人?不膣办?其中基本教柳的偏激者。

安德晋列佩了女性啉民希望在?啉哕?中涉及的一系列?铨,但?未找到答案?老年?
女及?尤母尤的?钙、持理存在的男性陪女性??之殓的薪酬差?,以及缺乏?童保育
服?等。

啉民了解自由?陪新民主?在呃些?铨上的立?,但保守?始剿?呃些?铨砚美作?。
 
看来,大家对结果不满意。

保守党输了,但席位比以前增加。自由党虽然胜了,但席位比以前减少,是少数派政府,情形大不如前,以后日子不好过。
 
Re: 值得思考一下

最初由 norm 发布
在这个中文网站的一项民意投票中,支持保守党的人有着压倒性的优势,但这个结果确与加拿大主流社会的民意相反。保守党的政策如:增加军费开支,反堕胎,反同性恋似乎并没有赢得加拿大人们的多数支持。但为什么会在华人中得到如此多的支持呢?

支持保守党的中国人中着实有些对什么是民主,自由和平等还带有明显中国传统社会的偏见和陋习,但相信他们的下一代会跟上主流民意。
 
How The West Was Lost

Stephen Harper doesn't know exactly what went wrong. As recently as two weeks ago, the new Conservative leader was predicting he'd lead a majority to victory in Ottawa.

He had good reason to think so. The polls had him neck and neck with the Liberals. And he had the sponsorship scandal as his ace in the hole.

But that ace turned into a joker Monday night, leaving Harper sitting right where he was before - as leader of the official opposition. The Conservatives garnered 99 seats when all was said and done, most of them out west, none in Toronto where he'd been predicting a huge breakthrough and few in the 905 area he'd come to depend on.

It means Harper paid a huge price for ignoring cities, and concentrating on rural areas instead. Still, the nascent leader did his best to put a positive spin on an obviously disappointing night at the polls.

"We deprived the Liberals of the majority they thought they were entitled to,” he told a cheering crowd in his home base of Calgary.

But disappointed as he was, it appeared Harper has not only not given up, but was getting ready for the next campaign to come. "We have increased our seats and broadened our base across this nation," he reminded his supporters. "I congratulate you for this remarkable achievement and remember, that until someone, someday achieves a majority, the fight is not yet won or lost."

In the end, it appears many Ontario voters feared his 'us vs. them' style of politics, which sees the western region of the country feeling ignored by the east.

Debates over abortion and gay rights scared some off. So did the infamous 'Martin supports child porn' memo. They also apparently listened to Paul Martin's warnings that a vote for the N.D.P. was a vote for Harper, exercising their franchise to take a safer road.

And in his speech, the Conservative leader may have confirmed their worst fears. "We will keep up the fight, to ensure that the voice of the West will be someday heard and accepted in the corridors of power," he vowed.
 
这次大选的结果值得注意的问题:

1) Liberal将受NDP的牵制. 加国将可能更加社会主义,更加压榨中产阶级. 这要考验PM的智慧了.
2) 都是省自由党执政不久, 魁省人民显然比安省人民有主见 -- 宁要魁独, 也不要腐败. 事实上, 魁人党的大胜将给魁省带来极大利益.
 
Re: Re: 值得思考一下

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支持保守党的中国人中着实有些对什么是民主,自由和平等还带有明显中国传统社会的偏见和陋习,但相信他们的下一代会跟上主流民意。

不支持自由党,就不是主流? 您这个想法,倒是"带有明显中国传统社会的偏见和陋习"。
 


对于堕胎问题,我想女人在这个方面才是最有发言权的。而受宗教影响很深的保守党却不顾主流社会,尤其是妇女的反对推行反堕胎政策,只能是人心相背。而且,融进太多宗教色彩的政党还有着更潜在的危险,那就是很容易不顾人们的反对,引进一些其它激进的宗教政策。
 
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对于堕胎问题,我想女人在这个方面才是最有发言权的。而受宗教影响很深的保守党却不顾主流社会,尤其是妇女的反对推行反堕胎政策,只能是人心相背。而且,融进太多宗教色彩的政党还有着更潜在的危险,那就是很容易不顾人们的呼声,引进一些其它激进的宗教政策。

:cool: :cool: :cool:

宗教不能涉政,否则人类社会要大退步。
 
Second Chance(ZT)

The voters have spoken. And what they said was we don't like the Liberals, but we don't trust the Conservatives. The Grits have been re-elected as the ruling party in Canada, but only with 135 seats - far short of a majority.

The Conservatives wound up with with 99, the Bloc 54, the N.D.P. 19 and there was one independent - former Aliiance member Chuck Cadman of B.C.

And with 155 needed for a majority, you don't have to be a math whiz to know the Liberals are still in big trouble. Even with the expected support of the N.D.P., they still don't have enough to hit majority status.

It likely means rough times for re-elected Prime Minister Paul Martin, who must now find a way to try and keep all his billions of dollars in campaign promises, with no sure route to guarantee he actually can.

As expected, it was in Battleground Ontario where the Liberals broke through, taking 40 of 45 seats. And only one Toronto riding didn't boast a 'red' light district. That was Toronto Danforth, where N.D.P. leader Jack Layton broke through in a squeaker over longtime Grit incumbent Dennis Mills.

In the end, a chastened Martin, plagued by a sponsorship scandal that cost him an overwhelming majority, gave a victory speech early Tuesday morning. He claims he's heard your voice, and he vows to listen to it.

"An election is a time to pass judgment, and the message in this regard was unmistakable," he agrees. "Canadians expected and expect more from us. And as a party and as a government we must do better, and we will, I pledge that to you."

But without the numbers, it remains to be seen if he can actually keep that pledge. Most pundits don't expect he'll be able to stay afloat long. Minority governments in Canada generally last about 18 months.



Still, like everything in politics, things could still change. There are likely to be recounts in several close ridings, and they could alter the outcome of the seat count in Ottawa.
 
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看来,大家对结果不满意。

保守党输了,但席位比以前增加。自由党虽然胜了,但席位比以前减少,是少数派政府,情形大不如前,以后日子不好过。

It is ideal to have a Liberal minority government...the result is just perfect :)
 
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