那些在洋人公司里上班的朋友...

[爱喝牛奶的wawdj]

 

[firestone]

最初由 CARLSBERG 发布


首先,坦白的说,大部分情况下.我无论跟谁在一起聊,应该没什么障碍.造成自己理解上的障碍的时侯,也难免发生,那就是自己没注意听对方讲话的时候.

没注意的时候也分两种情况:
1.有意识的(故意的)
2.无意识的(自己太累,或忍受干扰力的能力不强)

造成的结果

1.理解产生明显的偏差
2.回答的时候闹笑话
3.让别人认为特深沉.
4.被少数人理解为聊天障碍...

解决的措施...








I BEG YOUR PARDON???

靠!刚来的时候,第一次和一个洋妞说"I BEG YOUR PARDON?",人家差点没笑死过去

现在还有用这"中世纪"英语的吗?我是说正常人都不这么说了吧?除了老头老太太...

看起来有些聊天障碍还是可以理解的就好比在中国,有人跟你之乎者也的,能听懂,但是...嘿嘿...

 

[小C]

最初由 firestone 发布



靠!刚来的时候,第一次和一个洋妞说"I BEG YOUR PARDON?",人家差点没笑死过去

现在还有用这"中世纪"英语的吗?我是说正常人都不这么说了吧?除了老头老太太...

老想什么都不说,就单用个表情符号什么的表达我的心情,但"主论坛的规则"迫使我不能这么做(被目前的形式给逼的,动不动就见有人搬出法规说话)

那就劳您大驾,帮我给改一个很COOL的,行吗:blink:

我帮你把"I BEG YOUR PARDON"的笑话转到"语海拾贝"里去了,那好久不见个新贴子.似乎大家英语学的都很好.那么好个田,都快给荒废了.

 

[maomi33]

Hi!

最初由 hxp417 发布
小C 无聊啊。

你真是够无聊的。

 

[maomi33]

我第一次来，跟你们讲讲话行吗？

最初由 CARLSBERG 发布


老想什么都不说,就单用个表情符号什么的表达我的心情,但"主论坛的规则"迫使我不能这么做(被目前的形式给逼的,动不动就见有人搬出法规说话)

那你就给改一个现代英语的,行吗:blink:

我帮你把"I BEG YOUR PARDON"的笑话转到"语海拾贝"里去了,那好久不见个新贴子.似乎大家英语学的都很好.

 

[小C]

喂,那个新来的,你说的你们是谁们啊?

 

[京华倦客]

最初由 firestone 发布



靠!刚来的时候,第一次和一个洋妞说"I BEG YOUR PARDON?",人家差点没笑死过去

现在还有用这"中世纪"英语的吗?我是说正常人都不这么说了吧?除了老头老太太...

看起来有些聊天障碍还是可以理解的就好比在中国,有人跟你之乎者也的,能听懂,但是...嘿嘿...

我的高中同学都这么说, 这叫做"教养"

 

[dropinto]

最初由 firestone 发布



靠!刚来的时候,第一次和一个洋妞说"I BEG YOUR PARDON?",人家差点没笑死过去

现在还有用这"中世纪"英语的吗?我是说正常人都不这么说了吧?除了老头老太太...

看起来有些聊天障碍还是可以理解的就好比在中国,有人跟你之乎者也的,能听懂,但是...嘿嘿...

我认识的当地朋友就这么说呀。

 

[小C]

最初由 京华倦客 发布
我的高中同学都这么说, 这叫做"教养"

谈英语到语海拾贝.谈教养看我给你的悄悄话:blink:

 

[hxp417]

最初由 Apple 发布


首先问一句，和同胞用中文聊天你没障碍吧？

如果没障碍，该聊什么就聊什么，和中文聊天一样，只要关心你的topic，你挑话头的时候，别人自然会被你引导，别人挑话头的时候，你就受别人的引导顺着说呗。

和老外相处的文化和语言障碍是明显客观存在的！怎么可能没障碍呢？

不知道诸位怎么想，我感觉和老外交流时候客观上存在谈不深，谈不长，兴趣爱好不一致的严重障碍

生活环境，生活经历这个东西是起决定性作用的，就算是大家都是中国人，如果年龄相差比较大，在看问题上的眼光和理解差异就不小，谈起来自然就观点不一致，这还不是最重要，最重要是相互缺乏深入的理解和融洽。如果能抱着开放/学习的心情来聊，那当然会有所帮助，但是毕竟不如几个年龄相似，有共同背景和经历的朋友一起聊起来痛快，透彻！

和老外一起，这些问题就更显著，大家的价值观，人生经历...最重要是文化背景都有很大的差异。如果能抱着开放/好奇的心情来聊，那当然会有所帮助，但是毕竟不如和中国人一起Party痛快、洒脱。这里面语言问题是个起决定性作用的障碍。和老外聊天深度、广度和长度与该筒子英语口语的通顺程度成正比。

-------------------------------------------------------

另外关于男人女人。差异是非常显著的，绝对不是那么简单的“男人女人都是人、老中老外都是人”。

具体论述我也说不清，只说一个事实 --- 和鬼佬男子拍拖的国女不少。和鬼妹拍拖的中国男士我到现在还没见过一个。

转贴一篇关于跨人种婚姻的短文，作者是一个心理学专业，做过一些社会工作。

Professional point of view of interracial marriage


送交者: ben123 2004年6月03日23:55:04 于 [卑诗华人社区]http://www.bbsland.com

回 答: 种族之间通婚本身不可非议，第一代移民却不应该提倡 由 中山王 于 2004年6月02日15:55:46:


I used to be a psychiatrist in China, and have done internship in public health organization dealing with marriage crisis of minority population. From what I have learned, including from media and the live show among my friends here in US, I tend to be more pessimistic on interracial marriage.

Fact:

1. Caucasian males usually do not mind dating with Chinese females, but only 5% (if not less) out of them would step on red carpet.
2. Out of those marriages, 20%(if not less) would last longer than 5 years.

This is why:

1. Most of the Caucasian males who dated Chinese girl are just trying to explore some thing different, like “Alice in the wonder land”. They usually don't particularly care about the culture (of course, some of them do). Thanks to the Japanese porn industry, those men are sexually attracted by the oriental women, by their body, their accent, even their different moan during intercourse. It is the common sense that marriage could barely based on sex, this is why so few of Caucasian men would marry Chinese women while so many still date them.

2. For those Caucasian males who end up marriage with Chinese females, they are sort of different in term of personality comparing to mean index of population. They tend to be “weak”. They are not necessarily weak in body, but they are usually quiet, shy, sort of wimpy, could not or would not “handle” the Caucasian female. So it does not take a genius to figure out what kind of women could be eligible for their dream wives: quiet, gentle, tender, tame, dependent, and so on so forth. The image of classic Chinese women meets their expectation well. Unfortunately, when you take a look at those girls who “dare” to marry a white guy, you will find it is hard to put these two ends together. Those girls usually are brave, self-centered, demanded, independent and ambitious. The reasons they end up with a Caucasian guy are either they want more than Chinese guys could offer or Chinese guys feel uncomfortable with them because the traits mentioned above. Please note, Chinese guys dare not marry those women other than would not marry them.

3. From those successful interracial marriage, you would find that wives are usually those who are marginalized by Chinese guys, in other words, they are less sexual attractive, they are elder, or not that good looking or have children with them. So those wives are not the same species with the girls I mentioned above, once they are married, regardless of the race of their husbands, they are all set, cause they tend to meet whatever the expectation of their husbands, including their Caucasian husbands.

Of course what I have said is based on sort of big statistical picture. I would love to discuss this issue in academic way. Please don’t argue with me by using individual data.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[小C]

最初由 hxp417 发布



和老外相处的文化和语言障碍是明显客观存在的！怎么可能没障碍呢？

不知道诸位怎么想，我感觉和老外交流时候客观上存在谈不深，谈不长，兴趣爱好不一致的严重障碍

生活环境，生活经历这个东西是起决定性作用的，就算是大家都是中国人，如果年龄相差比较大，在看问题上的眼光和理解差异就不小，谈起来自然就观点不一致，这还不是最重要，最重要是相互缺乏深入的理解和融洽。如果能抱着开放/学习的心情来聊，那当然会有所帮助，但是毕竟不如几个年龄相似，有共同背景和经历的朋友一起聊起来痛快，透彻！

和老外一起，这些问题就更显著，大家的价值观，人生经历...最重要是文化背景都有很大的差异。如果能抱着开放/好奇的心情来聊，那当然会有所帮助，但是毕竟不如和中国人一起Party痛快、洒脱。这里面语言问题是个起决定性作用的障碍。和老外聊天深度、广度和长度与该筒子英语口语的通顺程度成正比。

-------------------------------------------------------

另外关于男人女人。差异是非常显著的，绝对不是那么简单的“男人女人都是人、老中老外都是人”。

具体论述我也说不清，只说一个事实 --- 和鬼佬男子拍拖的国女不少。和鬼妹拍拖的中国男士我到现在还没见过一个。

转贴一篇关于跨人种婚姻的短文，作者是一个心理学专业，做过一些社会工作。

Professional point of view of interracial marriage


送交者: ben123 2004年6月03日23:55:04 于 [卑诗华人社区]http://www.bbsland.com

回 答: 种族之间通婚本身不可非议，第一代移民却不应该提倡 由 中山王 于 2004年6月02日15:55:46:


I used to be a psychiatrist in China, and have done internship in public health organization dealing with marriage crisis of minority population. From what I have learned, including from media and the live show among my friends here in US, I tend to be more pessimistic on interracial marriage.

Fact:

1. Caucasian males usually do not mind dating with Chinese females, but only 5% (if not less) out of them would step on red carpet.
2. Out of those marriages, 20%(if not less) would last longer than 5 years.

This is why:

1. Most of the Caucasian males who dated Chinese girl are just trying to explore some thing different, like “Alice in the wonder land”. They usually don't particularly care about the culture (of course, some of them do). Thanks to the Japanese porn industry, those men are sexually attracted by the oriental women, by their body, their accent, even their different moan during intercourse. It is the common sense that marriage could barely based on sex, this is why so few of Caucasian men would marry Chinese women while so many still date them.

2. For those Caucasian males who end up marriage with Chinese females, they are sort of different in term of personality comparing to mean index of population. They tend to be “weak”. They are not necessarily weak in body, but they are usually quiet, shy, sort of wimpy, could not or would not “handle” the Caucasian female. So it does not take a genius to figure out what kind of women could be eligible for their dream wives: quiet, gentle, tender, tame, dependent, and so on so forth. The image of classic Chinese women meets their expectation well. Unfortunately, when you take a look at those girls who “dare” to marry a white guy, you will find it is hard to put these two ends together. Those girls usually are brave, self-centered, demanded, independent and ambitious. The reasons they end up with a Caucasian guy are either they want more than Chinese guys could offer or Chinese guys feel uncomfortable with them because the traits mentioned above. Please note, Chinese guys dare not marry those women other than would not marry them.

3. From those successful interracial marriage, you would find that wives are usually those who are marginalized by Chinese guys, in other words, they are less sexual attractive, they are elder, or not that good looking or have children with them. So those wives are not the same species with the girls I mentioned above, once they are married, regardless of the race of their husbands, they are all set, cause they tend to meet whatever the expectation of their husbands, including their Caucasian husbands.

Of course what I have said is based on sort of big statistical picture. I would love to discuss this issue in academic way. Please don’t argue with me by using individual data.

Just my 2 cents.

小样的,你真够能整的

 

[kool]

最初由 hxp417 发布



和老外相处的文化和语言障碍是明显客观存在的！怎么可能没障碍呢？

不知道诸位怎么想，我感觉和老外交流时候客观上存在谈不深，谈不长，兴趣爱好不一致的严重障碍

生活环境，生活经历这个东西是起决定性作用的，就算是大家都是中国人，如果年龄相差比较大，在看问题上的眼光和理解差异就不小，谈起来自然就观点不一致，这还不是最重要，最重要是相互缺乏深入的理解和融洽。如果能抱着开放/学习的心情来聊，那当然会有所帮助，但是毕竟不如几个年龄相似，有共同背景和经历的朋友一起聊起来痛快，透彻！

和老外一起，这些问题就更显著，大家的价值观，人生经历...最重要是文化背景都有很大的差异。如果能抱着开放/好奇的心情来聊，那当然会有所帮助，但是毕竟不如和中国人一起Party痛快、洒脱。这里面语言问题是个起决定性作用的障碍。和老外聊天深度、广度和长度与该筒子英语口语的通顺程度成正比。

-------------------------------------------------------

另外关于男人女人。差异是非常显著的，绝对不是那么简单的“男人女人都是人、老中老外都是人”。

具体论述我也说不清，只说一个事实 --- 和鬼佬男子拍拖的国女不少。和鬼妹拍拖的中国男士我到现在还没见过一个。

转贴一篇关于跨人种婚姻的短文，作者是一个心理学专业，做过一些社会工作。

Professional point of view of interracial marriage


送交者: ben123 2004年6月03日23:55:04 于 [卑诗华人社区]http://www.bbsland.com

回 答: 种族之间通婚本身不可非议，第一代移民却不应该提倡 由 中山王 于 2004年6月02日15:55:46:


I used to be a psychiatrist in China, and have done internship in public health organization dealing with marriage crisis of minority population. From what I have learned, including from media and the live show among my friends here in US, I tend to be more pessimistic on interracial marriage.

Fact:

1. Caucasian males usually do not mind dating with Chinese females, but only 5% (if not less) out of them would step on red carpet.
2. Out of those marriages, 20%(if not less) would last longer than 5 years.

This is why:

1. Most of the Caucasian males who dated Chinese girl are just trying to explore some thing different, like “Alice in the wonder land”. They usually don't particularly care about the culture (of course, some of them do). Thanks to the Japanese porn industry, those men are sexually attracted by the oriental women, by their body, their accent, even their different moan during intercourse. It is the common sense that marriage could barely based on sex, this is why so few of Caucasian men would marry Chinese women while so many still date them.

2. For those Caucasian males who end up marriage with Chinese females, they are sort of different in term of personality comparing to mean index of population. They tend to be “weak”. They are not necessarily weak in body, but they are usually quiet, shy, sort of wimpy, could not or would not “handle” the Caucasian female. So it does not take a genius to figure out what kind of women could be eligible for their dream wives: quiet, gentle, tender, tame, dependent, and so on so forth. The image of classic Chinese women meets their expectation well. Unfortunately, when you take a look at those girls who “dare” to marry a white guy, you will find it is hard to put these two ends together. Those girls usually are brave, self-centered, demanded, independent and ambitious. The reasons they end up with a Caucasian guy are either they want more than Chinese guys could offer or Chinese guys feel uncomfortable with them because the traits mentioned above. Please note, Chinese guys dare not marry those women other than would not marry them.

3. From those successful interracial marriage, you would find that wives are usually those who are marginalized by Chinese guys, in other words, they are less sexual attractive, they are elder, or not that good looking or have children with them. So those wives are not the same species with the girls I mentioned above, once they are married, regardless of the race of their husbands, they are all set, cause they tend to meet whatever the expectation of their husbands, including their Caucasian husbands.

Of course what I have said is based on sort of big statistical picture. I would love to discuss this issue in academic way. Please don’t argue with me by using individual data.

Just my 2 cents.

听起来挺有道理的。
我在这里补充几点。
1) 我见到的移民(不是CBC)女性交白人男性基本上是2婚头多
2) 正如你讲的正真结婚并长久的聊聊无几。
3) 到是亚洲男子和白人女性结婚的， 我认识的5对(我的自己周围的朋友， 最短结婚至今也有7个年头了)就1对在孩子长大后各自回自己的祖国分开的， 其他都很好。

我认为从根本意义上讲白人男人对家庭的正真的内涵和深度都不如亚裔男人，当地的人不如移民， 这观念和想法可能与文化背景和生活环境有着不可分割的内在联系。

 

[Aurora Borealis]

跑蹄了，跑蹄了!

在公司里上着班怎么都扯到跨国婚姻了！不知道拍拖是办公室里一大忌啊？

聊天就是聊天，谈那么深干吗？和同胞都没谈那么深，干嘛要和老外谈那么深？

公司里的老外哪国来的都有，印度、黎巴嫩、越南、东欧、非洲、南美，你怕跟他们有障碍，他们还怕跟其他人有障碍呢。尤其在大公司，和社会上不太一样，大家都是平等的，感觉舒服的多，谁也不该比谁更有优越感，否则你有权sue他歧视。歧视在很多公司里也是一大忌哦。

我的切身感受，如果有topic我聊不下去了，准是我没听懂，因为里面有生词。一般情况下等待一会儿，等大家聊起来，我也就知道在说什么了，再插进去也不迟。有时也会让他们把我没听懂的词用我能听懂的话解释清楚。别说只有女性好问，原来组里的人男男女女都好问，如果周围没这种风气，那就麻烦各位开个头吧。别拐着拐着就忽悠到跨国婚姻去了，咱也长点儿出息行不？

 

[人在天涯]

最初由 Apple 发布
跑蹄了，跑蹄了!

在公司里上着班怎么都扯到跨国婚姻了！不知道拍拖是办公室里一大忌啊？

聊天就是聊天，谈那么深干吗？和同胞都没谈那么深，干嘛要和老外谈那么深？

公司里的老外哪国来的都有，印度、黎巴嫩、越南、东欧、非洲、南美，你怕跟他们有障碍，他们还怕跟其他人有障碍呢。尤其在大公司，和社会上不太一样，大家都是平等的，感觉舒服的多，谁也不该比谁更有优越感，否则你有权sue他歧视。歧视在很多公司里也是一大忌哦。

我的切身感受，如果有topic我聊不下去了，准是我没听懂，因为里面有生词。一般情况下等待一会儿，等大家聊起来，我也就知道在说什么了，再插进去也不迟。有时也会让他们把我没听懂的词用我能听懂的话解释清楚。别说只有女性好问，原来组里的人男男女女都好问，如果周围没这种风气，那就麻烦各位开个头吧。别拐着拐着就忽悠到跨国婚姻去了，咱也长点儿出息行不？

你是歧视跨国婚姻:blink:

 

[March]

我倒觉得那个所谓的心理学家满脑子意淫。 :smokin: