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Hey, a woman has the right to her own body! Don't be judgemental without knowing the circumstances. You jumped to conclusion too fast, once again. What if she was raped and got pregnant? Should she keep the fetus? What if the fetus has pre-disposed genetic disease? Should she keep the fetus? 
Any hospital can do it, Civic, General, Queesway. Many abortion clinics can do it too.
Any hospital can do it, Civic, General, Queesway. Many abortion clinics can do it too.
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Hey, a woman has the right to her own body! Don't be judgemental without knowing the circumstances. You jumped to conclusion too fast, once again. What if she was raped and got pregnant? Should she keep the fetus? What if the fetus has pre-disposed genetic disease? Should she keep the fetus?
Any hospital can do it, Civic, General, Queesway. Many abortion clinics can do it too.
yes, woman has a right to her own body, but baby is not ur own! even raped or has health problem. that baby still a innocent!
To choose a health baby, u can even biologically remove some gene..or clone, that is not nature human, it is a bioproduct.. do u think it is right? if u want to have a healthy baby or super human??
I don't want to go too deep on this issue..but I only want to say >>>
everything should be nature, live and death, No one has right to kill!
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You are mixing several issues together: abortion with human cloning, and with genetic modification, but I do agree that abortion is a foundational issue. I've had the same discussion with many other people before, because this goes to the core of a person's entire value system, it's often a very heated discussion.
Perhaps we could discuss this over coffee or something. But 楼主 didn't ask if she should consider abortion or not, she simply asked WHERE to go for an abortion. On the other hand, look at what you did: without knowing any detail, or anything about 楼主, you immediately ASSUMED that she simply wanted to have "fun", and that her decision to abortion was a result of "having fun", and implied that she is in fact irresponsible. Is that fair to her? Again, without knowing any details of the circumstances.
Perhaps we could discuss this over coffee or something. But 楼主 didn't ask if she should consider abortion or not, she simply asked WHERE to go for an abortion. On the other hand, look at what you did: without knowing any detail, or anything about 楼主, you immediately ASSUMED that she simply wanted to have "fun", and that her decision to abortion was a result of "having fun", and implied that she is in fact irresponsible. Is that fair to her? Again, without knowing any details of the circumstances.
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从生物角度来讲， 受精卵就是生命的开始， 这就不但属于母亲个人的附属物， 而是一个个体生命。。任何人都无权剥夺！
其次， 就是退一万步来讲， 强奸或不健全的胎儿的情况。。的确是有违背母性主观意愿的情况。但这毕竟是占据整个堕胎案例中的极少部份， 不能因为这种极少的特殊情况而为那些不付责任， 完全可以进行有保护措施却不做的行为打开方便之门！
所以我将坚持我的观点。而且这是一个人的做人原则和信仰。
BTW，您说一个人在问那里有打胎， 您说除了打胎能有多大的百分比是问其它事情呢？？ 难道她或他是打听打胎工具？？ 或打听ROBIN？
其次， 就是退一万步来讲， 强奸或不健全的胎儿的情况。。的确是有违背母性主观意愿的情况。但这毕竟是占据整个堕胎案例中的极少部份， 不能因为这种极少的特殊情况而为那些不付责任， 完全可以进行有保护措施却不做的行为打开方便之门！
所以我将坚持我的观点。而且这是一个人的做人原则和信仰。
BTW，您说一个人在问那里有打胎， 您说除了打胎能有多大的百分比是问其它事情呢？？ 难道她或他是打听打胎工具？？ 或打听ROBIN？
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Excuse me, I'm not ready to grant a 受精卵 the same right as to a living human being. You believe that life begins at conception, well brave, good for you. But I believe that a woman has a right to her own body, because she's the one who has to endure the hardship of pregnancy and that she has to be the primary caregiver throughout a child's life, that's a lot of responsibility. So you can hold on to your belief, but don't tell others that your moral system should be the ONLY moral system.
I really doubt your understanding ability: you seem to use your imagination more than reasoning. I wasn't saying that 楼主 didn't want to get an abortion, I was saying that she was only asking for specific help on a specific problem, i.e. WHERE to get the abortion, not some big speech of whether she should or should not consider abortion. Who are you to tell her that? Where does this self-righteousness come from?
Shangairen do not know how or when to joke about something, seriously. :smokin:
I really doubt your understanding ability: you seem to use your imagination more than reasoning. I wasn't saying that 楼主 didn't want to get an abortion, I was saying that she was only asking for specific help on a specific problem, i.e. WHERE to get the abortion, not some big speech of whether she should or should not consider abortion. Who are you to tell her that? Where does this self-righteousness come from?
Shangairen do not know how or when to joke about something, seriously. :smokin:
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1) I just tell her my suggestion, I tell her as a human being to protect a new life.
2) To do or Not To Do>>> that's still her own decision.
3) That is not imagination, she was asking "where can get an abortion"..but in ur imagination was "she was ONLY asking for specific help on a specific problem." her topic even more specific than urs.. be honestly...U always a feminism， you just don't want to agree in public
no more discuss on this issue..let this person do what ever she wants to do, if u like to help her, I can't stop you, and I just simply against that. there is no point to argue over here
Pretty bad snow out there, I go home now..hehehe
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You are wrong, I'm not a feminist, but if I am, I wouldn't be ashamed to say this in public either. Feminists are not man-haters, they've just been stereotyped by the narrow-minded men. BTW, what does being a feminist have anyting to do with this topic? Her "specific question" was: where to get the abortion? It's not my imagination, she literally asked that. You on the other hand immediately concluded that 有了就要付起这责任， 不要ONLY自己FUN. Where does that come from? Particularly this self-righteousness???
Again, I think a woman has the right to her own body, period. For me, a conceived sperm is not a human being, excuse me, nah huh. I am however oppose late-term abortion, i.e. abortion of a healthy fetus towards the end of pregnancy, say in month 7-9, but that's something else.
It's easier to just blame it on the woman, easier to just talk about life, right and responsibility, much easier said than done. Are you a woman? If you are not, how do you know what the woman has to endure during and after the pregnancy? Do you know what a woman feels when she must go through an abortion? Just give her a break!
Feminists are not man-haters, they've just been stereotyped by the narrow-minded men. BTW, what does being a feminist have anyting to do with this topic? Her "specific question" was: where to get the abortion? It's not my imagination, she literally asked that. You on the other hand immediately concluded that 有了就要付起这责任， 不要ONLY自己FUN. Where does that come from? Particularly this self-righteousness??? Again, I think a woman has the right to her own body, period. For me, a conceived sperm is not a human being, excuse me, nah huh. I am however oppose late-term abortion, i.e. abortion of a healthy fetus towards the end of pregnancy, say in month 7-9, but that's something else.
It's easier to just blame it on the woman, easier to just talk about life, right and responsibility, much easier said than done. Are you a woman? If you are not, how do you know what the woman has to endure during and after the pregnancy? Do you know what a woman feels when she must go through an abortion? Just give her a break!
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这就对啦，最初由 渐渐 发布
You are wrong, I'm not a feminist, but if I am, I wouldn't be ashamed to say this in public either.
Again, I think a woman has the right to her own body, period. For me, a conceived sperm is not a human being, excuse me, nah huh. I am however oppose late-term abortion, i.e. abortion of a healthy fetus towards the end of pregnancy, say in month 7-9, but that's something else.
It's easier to just blame it on the woman, easier to just talk about life, right and responsibility, much easier said than done. Are you a woman? If you are not, how do you know what the woman has to endure during and after the pregnancy? Do you know what a woman feels when she must go through an abortion? Just give her a break!
1)爱惜生命只要是人都应该做， 这不分男人女人。
2)正因为在abortion基本上主要女性承受着身与心的压力，我才不支持
3)这是你对生命标准的认识(a conceived sperm is not a human being)， 但在生物概念中生命的开始是以受精为界限的， 你的标准不能成为这discussion的基础标准。这点上只是你我对这标准上有着差异。。就没必要争论，这不是你我可以来下定义的
如果您认为由于检查出是一个不健康胎儿可以处理掉， 那哪些已经出生的不健全婴儿也可以建议医生这样做了？？
如果你是指责我，不了解此楼主的具体情况， 而下“为了自己的FUN”的结论， 我可以接受， 这里可能有特殊原因， 但你也犯了同样的错误， 因为你也同样无法了解这背后的真实原因(因为我所说的可能性也是存在的)， 而指责我是错的。。如果是不付责任而造成的。。你也一样支持？
我不支持的本意， 我在前面已经很明确了， 如果是一个有责任感的人， 不管男人和女人， 对怀孕应该是要有正确的态度， 人类是可以有protection的。 在没有任何protection的情况下进行性行为而怀孕。。这个行为责任就是这对成年人的。。既然在没有尽自己起码的人的责任情况下的行为。。你怎么可以用更不付责任的abortion行为>>剥夺一个无辜生命的情况下。。来推卸他们本身造成的后果呢？
我想您也不会同意的。。但事实上， 绝大多数的abortion是不控制和no protection 造成的。。由于强奸和其他状况的是非常少的。。
好了到此为止
