如果国家背叛了你
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普通老百姓获利了，就被要求“吃水不忘挖井人，翻身不忘共产党”；被牺牲了，则有人预料他们“也不明白为什么”。终于聪明到“能看清为什么被牺牲”了，却被人告诫“也就可以了”，关键是不能“与国家利益或他人利益你死我活”。呜呼，普通老百姓还真是不好当呀。
不知我算不算是普通老百姓，但若是我的利益被牺牲了，我是一定要搞清楚为什么的。搞清楚为什么的目的当然是为了不再被牺牲。理想的社会当然是各方面的利益都可以折衷，大家各退一步，达成妥协。如果不幸有哪一方，不管是国家还是团体、个人，一定要仗势欺人，那我也不会客气，就算是你死我活，那也是你逼得我这样做的。
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For the record, no, I wasn't implying that a country's interest is equivalent to a party's interest, although in many circumstances in China, it's actually true...strange ba? A party's interest could and should be aligned with a country's best interest, but we know that's not true, not only for China, but that's another issue to discuss.
herman, you are simply avoiding the question (and believe it or not, I have a rather high regard for you, therefore I know you are avoiding the question, otherwise I'd be very disappointed), I thought I was clear, but maybe I wasn't. I wasn't comparing between a country and a party, my question was: when your own interest is in conflict with a collective interest, whether that is a country's interest or a party's interest, what would you do?
I just wish to hear some honest answer, and not some politically sound answer. I guess that comes down to how one approaches a problem: I often put myself in the shoes of the person facing a dilema and ask myself: "What would I do?", and that's my way. Because I am an ordinary person, and I find it difficult to be over and above other ordinary people, even when it comes to big issues like this.
"一个人能看清为什么被牺牲，也就可以了,也不太会走到与国家利益或他人利益你死我活的境地了。" I think I know where you stand, but I'd still like to hear you say it for the record. Forgive me for picking on you, but you represent quite a portion of logical, rational people. You have said: "我是首先是中国人的，宁可不做人，也不能做卖国贼！" It's easy to be passionate and yell out slogans like this, I'm only wondering if you can be true to your own words if you are put to the test, and God forbids.
herman, you are simply avoiding the question (and believe it or not, I have a rather high regard for you, therefore I know you are avoiding the question, otherwise I'd be very disappointed), I thought I was clear, but maybe I wasn't. I wasn't comparing between a country and a party, my question was: when your own interest is in conflict with a collective interest, whether that is a country's interest or a party's interest, what would you do?
I just wish to hear some honest answer, and not some politically sound answer. I guess that comes down to how one approaches a problem: I often put myself in the shoes of the person facing a dilema and ask myself: "What would I do?", and that's my way. Because I am an ordinary person, and I find it difficult to be over and above other ordinary people, even when it comes to big issues like this.
"一个人能看清为什么被牺牲，也就可以了,也不太会走到与国家利益或他人利益你死我活的境地了。" I think I know where you stand, but I'd still like to hear you say it for the record. Forgive me for picking on you, but you represent quite a portion of logical, rational people. You have said: "我是首先是中国人的，宁可不做人，也不能做卖国贼！" It's easy to be passionate and yell out slogans like this, I'm only wondering if you can be true to your own words if you are put to the test, and God forbids.
俺本人是这样认为，国家利益与个人利益就如同一个人的躯体。当一个人生病了，某个器官细胞发生癌病变，这时候为了自己的生命安全，你必须作出抉择就是割掉癌细胞组织。俺能理解国家是人体，个人只是千百万个细胞组成人体中的一个。那么党作为一个政治团体寄生在一个国家内，如上所说，她也就是人体中的某一组细胞而已。但是中国这现象正好相反本末倒置，党大于国，党大于法，我们可以从中国的很多现行制度中看出来。例如从中央到地方，行政第一把手不是真正第一把手，总书记，省委，市委，县委书记却是第一把手，一切要围绕党转这是铁定的纪律。当国家利益跟党的利益发生冲突时，总是牺牲国家利益，这个现象尤其在文革中表现得淋漓尽致。例如国家生产建设可以停顿下来，给党的政治斗争让路。再看看我国的历来的政治运动莫不如此。
