日裔加人40年讨回权益之路----"REDRESS"[推荐]

[redhouse1]

最初由 challenger 发布


我估计，你认识的那个日裔后代，在他对加拿大政府痛心疾首的时候，他没有为他的祖先所犯的罪行，向加拿大人民和中国人民表示歉意。

好象这件事和中国没有什么关系吧

 

[challenger]

最初由 redhouse1 发布


好象这件事和中国没有什么关系吧

一个不知道道歉的民族，却到处要求讨回权益，是不是有点怪?

 

[Broken Arrow]

Here is some info that may help you find the correct version of what happened.

Geranl summary:
http://www.42explore2.com/japanese.htm

Example of internment camp:
http://www.owensvalleyhistory.com/manzanar3/page13.html

info on Japanese-American joining army:
http://www.english.uiuc.edu/maps/poets/g_l/haiku/mackey.htm


BTW, those camps were surrounded with barb wire and guarded by soldiers

最初由 mangliu 发布


我看到的资料显示:

开战以后，敌对国侨民被给予两个选择: 回自己的祖国，或重新宣誓效忠美加。一部分日裔拒绝回国，又拒绝宣誓效忠美加，结果才被送进集中营。所谓的集中营，并不是德国的那种监狱，而是集中居住，自己管理，没有看守，没有杀人虐待。

德意裔则没有这类拒绝回国，又拒绝宣誓效忠美加的人。

 

[redhouse1]

最初由 challenger 发布


一个不知道道歉的民族，却到处要求讨回权益，是不是有点怪?

你是站在自己的角度考虑问题.
当初在加的日裔和"道歉" 有关系吗?

 

[mangliu]

最初由 Broken Arrow 发布
Here is some info that may help you find the correct version of what happened.

Geranl summary:
http://www.42explore2.com/japanese.htm

Example of internment camp:
http://www.owensvalleyhistory.com/manzanar3/page13.html

info on Japanese-American joining army:
http://www.english.uiuc.edu/maps/poets/g_l/haiku/mackey.htm


BTW, those camps were surrounded with barb wire and guarded by soldiers

谢谢你的资料，文章里说:

The order excluded persons of Japanese ancestry then living on the West Coast from residing and working in certain locations.

是不是说美国其他地区的日裔就没有事?

 

[mangliu]

这些不回国，不效忠美加的日裔，如果不生活在集中营，美国的民众会不会伤害他们?

 

[shusheng]

最初由 mangliu 发布
这些不回国，不效忠美加的日裔，如果不生活在集中营，美国的民众会不会伤害他们?

这个不能作为政府的理由吧。

 

[Broken Arrow]

Hey, you are welcome.

To your question, I am not sure, probably was the case. At least I know that Japanese-American in Hawaii were not rounded up in camps.

最初由 mangliu 发布


谢谢你的资料，文章里说:

The order excluded persons of Japanese ancestry then living on the West Coast from residing and working in certain locations.

是不是说美国其他地区的日裔就没有事?

 

[乌鸦乌鸦]

挺奇怪一件事，打仗了，你留在敌国大后方，还保留自己叛变的权利（不宣誓），要我说就该站一排枪毙了。隔离已经很不错了，还能要到赔偿，政府没骨气。

 

[Broken Arrow]

Why do you keeping saying they refused to pledge royalty? I don't remember seeing reference about that. Could you provide one?

In fact, it seems many of them keep the "pledge of allegiance" even in the camp. See this one: http://www.richeast.org/htwm/Japanese/Japanese.html

The article also shows that many western states were involved in sending Japanese-American to internments. I wouldn't be surprised if people on east coast were also sent to...

最初由 mangliu 发布
这些不回国，不效忠美加的日裔，如果不生活在集中营，美国的民众会不会伤害他们?

 

[LostRabbit]

还没入籍的移民朋友,看见了吧. 你们如果不入籍,不宣誓,不效忠,以后开战了,你们就有可能站一排被枪毙了,乌鸦先生机枪嘟嘟嘟,你们都倒下了,开枪的人可能就是入了籍的朋友....

加拿大在一战和二战中,确实有虐待敌人移民或敌人出生地公民的传统.我看过一个报道说在一战和二战中,加拿大曾经是被英国俘虏的德国战俘的集中流放地,据说很多加拿大的新兵有到德国战俘的集中流放地殴打体罚德国战俘的经验...很多武器研究部分还曾经在德国战俘身上研究....(当然没有日本人在中国东北那样丧心病狂)

如果宣誓的话,可有可能送台湾海峡当炮灰啊.....

这可咋办呢???

最初由 乌鸦乌鸦 发布
挺奇怪一件事，打仗了，你留在敌国大后方，还保留自己叛变的权利（不宣誓），要我说就该站一排枪毙了。隔离已经很不错了，还能要到赔偿，政府没骨气。

 

[mangliu]

"A central concept of the relocation center was that the inmates could leave the camp, if they located themselves and their families in areas outside the designated military zones on the West Coast. "

 

[oread]

There is a fiction novel about this: Snow Falling on Cedar, set in 1954, in a community of "five thousand damp souls" off the coast of Washington state.

最初由 mangliu 发布
这些不回国，不效忠美加的日裔，如果不生活在集中营，美国的民众会不会伤害他们?