父母团聚

[lifeisfun]

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从根本上来说，Liberal不太情愿对加拿大的医疗体制进行根本的改革，这和它奉行的"大政府"的执政纲领有关，这话说来太长，我一般不为英文贴花太多的时间。

但是加拿大的医疗体制民愤太大，於是Liberal为了自己的政治利益，选择牺牲社会阶层里的少数派的利益来做表面文章。这话说来太长，我一般不为英文贴花太多的时间。

你的回贴，说明你没看懂我上一个贴的意思，就急匆匆地冲上来。例如，外来的人和里面的人对房屋造成的mess程度。从这个意义上来说，你的回贴被说成是回嘴可能更确切，关于回贴和回嘴的区别，我就不浪费时间了

Agree with you that liberal wants to keep the medicare so that they can tax more, and the more tac they collect, they more power they have
,and more waste they can spend.

Don't agree with you that just bacause the medicare problem, the liberal would like to do some thing to sacrifice some minoirty interests. One thing is clear regarding immigration quota, the total quota of imigration is fixed, the more given to parents reunion, the less will be given to skill workers, and it's very obvious what type of people will contribute more (from selfish point of view) to this society.

 

[lifeisfun]

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但是这些反对父母移民的兔子们对加拿大的医疗体制的表现，也是不满意的，於是便就地闹革命，从自己身边做起，将怨气发泄到使用同一种语言的申请父母移民的中国人身上，因为这些反对父母移民的中国人更容易了解使用同一种语言的申请父母移民的中国人的观点，反对起来更得心应手。

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Don't agree with you that those against parent reunions are trying to dump their dis-satisfaction to medicare to parents reunion. These two aspects are related. Also it's not agianst more Chinese parents reunions, it's against more parents reunions. We are discussing this here as it's a Chinese forum, so don't draw such conclusion that:

因为这些反对父母移民的中国人更容易了解使用同一种语言的申请父母移民的中国人的观点，反对起来更得心应手

 

[challenger]

最初由 lifeisfun 发布


Agree with you that liberal wants to keep the medicare so that they can tax more, and the more tac they collect, they more power they have
,and more waste they can spend.

Don't agree with you that just bacause the medicare problem, the liberal would like to do some thing to sacrifice some minoirty interests. One thing is clear regarding immigration quota, the total quota of imigration is fixed, the more given to parents reunion, the less will be given to skill workers, and it's very obvious what type of people will contribute more (from selfish point of view) to this society.

我前面已经说了: 但是这些反对父母移民的兔子们对加拿大的医疗体制的表现，也是不满意的。再说明白一点，我并没有否认你对Liberal的不满甚至仇恨。

我现在感觉到有趣的是比较反对父母移民的兔子们对Liberal和申请父母移民的中国人的仇恨。从前面各位反对父母移民的兔子的表现来看，显然对后者的仇恨远远大於对Liberal的不满或者仇恨。

我要说一点，在本身的就业市场不很景气的情况下，引进更多的skill workers是否是好事，现在一直有争论，例如，比较经典的反对意见是，在本身的就业市场不很景气的情况下(注意这个前提)，引进更多的skill workers会挤走现在的skill workers，例如去美国，最后，对社会的contribute未必多了。个位身边南下去美国找工的人不少吧。

 

[lifeisfun]

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我前面已经说了: 但是这些反对父母移民的兔子们对加拿大的医疗体制的表现，也是不满意的。再说明白一点，我并没有否认你对Liberal的不满甚至仇恨。

我现在感觉到有趣的是比较反对父母移民的兔子们对Liberal和申请父母移民的中国人的仇恨。从前面各位反对父母移民的兔子的表现来看，显然对后者的仇恨远远大於对Liberal的不满或者仇恨。

我要说一点，在本身的就业市场不很景气的情况下，引进更多的skill workers是否是好事，现在一直有争论，例如，比较经典的反对意见是，在本身的就业市场不很景气的情况下(注意这个前提)，引进更多的skill workers会挤走现在的skill workers，例如去美国，最后，对社会的contribute未必多了。

Well, you would like to say that those against parents reunions hate parent reunions. Don't know where you got that impression. Maybe from the words such as "rob" or "steal". Maybe I can clarify that a bit:

First those words are not used for normal parent immigrants, they are used for those who abuse this system. Don't you think the following people are not robber or stealer (of other tax payers)

1. Go to work in US, pay tax to US, while having their parents here enjoy the benefit of Canada (they don't even want to pay tax support their parents).

2. Those who signed sponsorship with the government to get their parent here, then broke the sponsorship and leave their parents to the society.

So according to you, maybe it's not a good thing to introduce more skill worker. You may be right. But skill worker at least are young and they can do labor work and support their family (may not pay much tax) and get less from the medicare. But for parents who are aged people, they will definitely take more than young people and contribute less or non.

 

[challenger]

最初由 lifeisfun 发布


Well, you would like to say that those against parents reunions hate parent reunions. Don't know where you got that impression. Maybe from the words such as "rob" or "steal". Maybe I can clarify that a bit:

First those words are not used for normal parent immigrants, they are used for those who abuse this system. Don't you think the following people are not robber or stealer (of other tax payers)

1. Go to work in US, pay tax to US, while having their parents here enjoy the benefit of Canada (they don't even want to pay tax support their parents).

2. Those who signed sponsorship with the government to get their parent here, then broke the sponsorship and leave their parents to the society.

So according to you, maybe it's not a good thing to introduce more skill worker. You may be right. But skill worker at least are young and they can do labor work and support their family (may not pay much tax) and get less from the medicare. But for parents who are aged people, they will definitely take more than young people and contribute less or non.

你说的情况是极少数的，就象在加拿大的中国人里，有一小部分是偷渡的。但不能以此为理由，拒绝父母移民，而是加强管理，这个道理您应该懂。

加拿大公民在美国工作，向美国交税，你只看到了表面，关于北美自由贸易的问题，涉及面太广，你我就不要在这里讨论了。

 

[challenger]

最初由 lifeisfun 发布


Don't agree with you that those against parent reunions are trying to dump their dis-satisfaction to medicare to parents reunion. These two aspects are related. Also it's not agianst more Chinese parents reunions, it's against more parents reunions. We are discussing this here as it's a Chinese forum, so don't draw such conclusion that:

虽然支持父母移民的中国人说了一些难听的话，但是大部分属于情绪宣泄的赃话，没什么大不了的。这在英文论坛上也常见。

但是，前面反对父母移民的中国人所说的有些话，几近恶毒，这在英文论坛上是几乎见不到的，可能一些种族主义者经常在口头使用。

我要劝某些中国人嘴上留德，当你咒骂别人的父母和亵渎别人的人伦感情的时候，请想一想，大部分人有渐渐年迈的父母，大部分人会成为渐渐年迈的父母，现在被dump掉的是别人的父母，明天被dump掉的可能就是你的父母和你自己(不一定是移民加拿大)。

作为中国人，大家还记得中国人的老话吗: 老吾老以及人之老?

 

[lifeisfun]

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你说的情况是极少数的，就象在加拿大的中国人里，有一小部分是偷渡的。但不能以此为理由，拒绝父母移民，而是加强管理，这个道理您应该懂。

加拿大公民在美国工作，向美国交税，你只看到了表面，关于北美自由贸易的问题，涉及面太广，你我就不要在这里讨论了。

So why not let childen pay tax in Canada, and their parents live in China as Canada is doing trade with China, or we are all APEC countries.

I don't know exact number of abusing sponsorship cases. But that's not in a small number. Look at the document fraud in visa application in Canadian Embassy in China, you would know how good some of folks are in that.

 

[challenger]

最初由 lifeisfun 发布


So why not let childen pay tax in Canada, and their parents live in China as Canada is doing trade with China, or we are all APEC countries.

I don't know exact number of abusing sponsorship cases. But that's not in a small number. Look at the document fraud in visa application in Canadian Embassy in China, you would know how good some of folks are in that.

你所用的加拿大驻中国使馆的数据，实际是中国人在中国的情况，并不代表中国人在加拿大的情况。例如在中国伪造一个公章简直易如反掌，但是在加拿大则非常困难。

我记得多年前，哥伦比亚广播公司的著名美籍华裔女主持人宗毓华，曾暗示在美华人里有大量的中共特务。我不想否认在美华人里有中共特务，但是"大量"则属于宗毓华的信口开河，当然她为此付出了代价。不知你注意到没有，你反对父母移民的论据已经从假定"大部分"父母移民的唯一目的是来占加拿大医疗体制的便宜，转向暗示"大部分"申请父母移民的子女将跑到美国去，甚至暗示"大部分"申请父母移民的子女都在撒谎和伪造文件，你究竟想说明什么呢?

你上面这些话，基本属于无根据的臆想和猜测，等于什么都没说，甚至有点胡搅蛮缠的味道了，让人觉得象女孩子比较惯用的伎俩: 反正...

 

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[ANGELLINA]

snopy你这渐渐的走狗你还是中国人吗你,不要脸!

 

[闲得慌]

最初由 ANGELLINA 发布
snopy你这渐渐的走狗你还是中国人吗你,不要脸!

当年我同渐渐一同出道，她现在已经有走狗了。

真是人比人气死人！

 

[ANGELLINA]

最初由 闲得慌 发布


当年我同渐渐一同出道，她现在已经有走狗了。

真是人比人气死人！

哈哈哈搞笑!

 

[ccc]

标题“CIC的决定也正是加拿大政府的计谋”，模糊。ＣＩＣ＝加拿大政府，它的决定，当然是政府的政策。

 

[plus_w]

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另外，我还注意到一点，可能是由于语言问题，很多中国人并不从报纸电视电台上了解本地社会对加拿大的医疗体制的评论，特别是那些反对父母移民的中国人。

但是这些反对父母移民的兔子们对加拿大的医疗体制的表现，也是不满意的，於是便就地闹革命，从自己身边做起，将怨气发泄到使用同一种语言的申请父母移民的中国人身上，因为这些反对父母移民的中国人更容易了解使用同一种语言的申请父母移民的中国人的观点，反对起来更得心应手。

我还发现，这些反对父母移民的兔子们最担心的是父母移民会对兔子们的医疗产生不良影响，但是这些兔子们对申请父母移民的中国人的仇恨，远远大于造成加拿大的医疗体制弊端的Liberal，例如没有人指责Liberal对税款的巨额浪费是"rob and steal"(在我眼里，浪费税款简直是murder)，这是件非常值得思考的现象。

你说得一点没错。

 

[Teddy]

我们申请加拿大的VISA时,她都告诉我们这是一种 Privilege but not a right. 也就是说, 她欢迎我们申请,但授与与否由她们单方面决定, 我们不可以"理直气壮"地要求她咋么样, 本来就是"特殊"给与我扪的.

举个例子, 一个贫困潦倒的人, 受到一个家庭的帮助: 你住到我们这儿来吧! 等这个人安顿好后, 就要求把其它亲人也接来, 这个家庭说了: 等我们的房子大点的时候吧! 于是, 这个人就天天抗议: 不公平, 不人道! 你为什么接了张三来, 就不能接我父母来?

我们如不能心存感激, 但总得有点儿良心吧? 如果实在不喜环这个家, 可以第二次搬家,为什么要强求人家呢? 当然成为公民后, 有权利也有义务了, 但要分请楚哪些是我们应得的.