精华 [实验报告] plywood vs foam

foam外面是要水泥钢丝网的, 我在国内8年前就用过这种做法. 国内的技术比这里先进, 买回来的确foam上已经是有一面有钢丝网的.(北方的全剪力墙的高层楼房的保温最好用这个, 是外墙内侧用,外侧底层也可).
 
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foam外面是要水泥钢丝网的, 我在国内8年前就用过这种做法. 国内的技术比这里先进, 买回来的确foam上已经是有一面有钢丝网的.(北方的全剪力墙的高层楼房的保温最好用这个, 是外墙内侧用,外侧底层也可).

这种 foam 我在这好像也见用,基本上都是给basement(水泥墙)做insulation.国内建房想必也是用它来做保温层,应该是贴在水泥墙上,而不是做exterior sheeting吧?
 
foam的用途很广, interior, exterior, 我在这里的downtown和一家私人住宅见过foam外加水泥砂浆形成exterior sheeting.
而且可以用在沥青油毡防水下(加水泥砂浆)做保温. 国内的有些高层外局部外墙的保温也有外用foam的. 我原来干过的工程就有这样的, 混凝土要预留锣栓,每层有设计好的突起来拖foam. 外用保温效果更好.


最初由 小宝妈 发布


这种 foam 我在这好像也见用,基本上都是给basement(水泥墙)做insulation.国内建房想必也是用它来做保温层,应该是贴在水泥墙上,而不是做exterior sheeting吧?
 
最初由 小宝妈 发布


这种 foam 我在这好像也见用,基本上都是给basement(水泥墙)做insulation.国内建房想必也是用它来做保温层,应该是贴在水泥墙上,而不是做exterior sheeting吧?

国内用泡沫材料的来由可长了。六十年代北京建了第一个加气混凝土厂,八十年代又有灌注的加气树脂材料。到我出国前,北京就已经大面积使用泡沫材料复合外墙--即所谓“内浇外挂”。墙板是工厂预制的,用泡沫材料做夹心。

这类玩艺的保温总是不如矿棉/玻璃纤维填充。它的优点,一是便于工厂预制,二是轻。对北京一年六百万平米的工程量,工厂预制在经济上和技术上都会有些优势。另外,在八度抗震设防的北京,重量也是个挺要紧的指标。

可在渥太华,房子本来就轻,又没有抗震设防的要求,再加上外墙的保温已经不差了。用泡沫板做sheething,对用户似乎没什么突出的优点。

要是我去买房,不会因泡沫板而给房子加分或减分。可经傻兄弟这么一说,我还真得找个地方看看这房子是怎么盖的。
 
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foam的用途很广, interior, exterior, 我在这里的downtown和一家私人住宅见过foam外加水泥砂浆形成exterior sheeting.
而且可以用在沥青油毡防水下(加水泥砂浆)做保温. 国内的有些高层外局部外墙的保温也有外用foam的. 我原来干过的工程就有这样的, 混凝土要预留锣栓,每层有设计好的突起来拖foam. 外用保温效果更好.



这位同行兄弟,你是说成品的泡沫树脂外挂板?现在已经大量用了?

记得八七年左右,搞工程塑料的跑到我们那里介绍产品,说这东西不是按建材而是按轻工业产品收税,很难做--那是上世纪的事啦!

当年的那些“新技术”,不知有几样能活到现在?
 
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可经傻兄弟这么一说,我还真得找个地方看看这房子是怎么盖的。

我打电话问了tamarakHeavnley 的主销售员,就是在foam上直接挂sidings,说这是engergy star的要求。您可以去heavenley 亲自去看看在建的样板房,据说就在sales office acroos from.回答我的michael 答应把有关解释材料传真给我,并建议去现场看看。


now it's up to you experts like 基础墙 to explain to us lay people if this is an asset to your porperty or just a hype to make you pay more.

thanks in advance.

I've requested tartan to show me their geo tech report for the porperty I've put a depsosit on-it's in findley creek. I might need some clarifications from you guys.
 
最初由 qiuyi_1 发布


我打电话问了tamarakHeavnley 的主销售员,就是在foam上直接挂sidings,说这是engergy star的要求。您可以去heavenley 亲自去看看在建的样板房,据说就在sales office acroos from.回答我的michael 答应把有关解释材料传真给我,并建议去现场看看。


now it's up to you experts like 基础墙 to explain to us lay people if this is an asset to your porperty or just a hype to make you pay more.

thanks in advance.

I've requested tartan to show me their geo tech report for the porperty I've put a depsosit on-it's in findley creek. I might need some clarifications from you guys.

是作业吗?好,我明儿就去看看作业题。

还有,恕我孤陋,Heavenley在哪儿?
 
我对 plywood 和 foam 都不内行。只是有一个想法:

plywood 主要是木料制成,刚开始时强度等性能一定较好,但时间长了是否容易腐烂?这样过了若干年后其性能就相对差了。 可是 foam 相对来讲不容易腐烂。所以从长期来讲是否 foam 更好?
 
不是昨夜哥们,是期终考试!

最初由 基础墙 发布


是作业吗?好,我明儿就去看看作业题。

还有,恕我孤陋,Heavenley在哪儿?

below is my wife's directions, 仅供参考而已,能不能找到看你的运气了,到了那儿不懂的可以问(开卷考试),别忘了明天交卷!

Take Prince of Wales Dr. and go to south, pass Hunt Club Rd., drive around 10 mintues, (Prince of Wales Dr. becomes highway 16,) Heavenley is on your right. There is a big sign, you can't miss it. It is part of Barheven, both Tartan and Tamarack are building their last phase there. If you go to tamarack's website at www.tamarackhomes.com, you can also find the direction there.
Let us know your findings.

大哥辛苦了。
 
补充一句:

sidings是用钉子安在foam背后的木架子(那michael告我是joist,我想应该是4X6)。钉子上有washer,定在foam背后作为固定foam 的支撑。
根据他发来的传真宣传材料,所谓的insulation效果好主要是指整个外圈无缝地包上外围护层(sheathing),从而价减少漏气。





最初由 qiuyi_1 发布


我打电话问了tamarakHeavnley 的主销售员,就是在foam上直接挂sidings,说这是engergy star的要求。您可以去heavenley 亲自去看看在建的样板房,据说就在sales office acroos from.回答我的michael 答应把有关解释材料传真给我,并建议去现场看看。


now it's up to you experts like 基础墙 to explain to us lay people if this is an asset to your porperty or just a hype to make you pay more.

thanks in advance.

I've requested tartan to show me their geo tech report for the porperty I've put a depsosit on-it's in findley creek. I might need some clarifications from you guys.
 
哈,俺这一块砖,引来的全是玉呀:D

墙兄,看房不一定非要跑到Heavnley,tarmarack 在 bridlewood (pine hill 和 cedar valley 两块)就有房正在盖,估计离你住的近点二:D
 
半夜惊醒,突然想起个问题:用foam做围护倒是r-value高、保暖了,但是十年后要换sidings怎么办?那泡沫塑料可是经不住钉子或螺栓反复打洞的。用原来的洞?还是再另外打洞?




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哈,俺这一块砖,引来的全是玉呀:D

墙兄,看房不一定非要跑到Heavnley,tarmarack 在 bridlewood (pine hill 和 cedar valley 两块)就有房正在盖,估计离你住的近点二:D
 
好贴

继续观摩学习中。。。。
 
I find a website has some information about this problem and how it is done.
Here is the part of that page.

http://www.umass.edu/bmatwt/publications/articles/insulating_on_the_outside.html

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Installation

Adding a layer of rigid foam to the walls of any building is somewhat labor intensive. When properly constructed, it provides a tight, dry, warm, and durable structure. Re-siding an existing home presents an opportunity to upgrade the home’s energy performance. But adding foam requires fussy detailing for trim and flashing. Windows, doors and trim must be built out and the flashing sealed to the foam sheathing.

Polyisocyanurate, molded expanded polystyrene (MEPS), and extruded expanded polystyrene (XEPS) are common sheathing choices. Foam sheathing is fastened to the structural sheathing or framing with broad-head nails, wide plastic washers, and/or adhesive caulk that is compatible with the foam. Check with the manufacturer before using any adhesive because solvents found in some adhesives eat foam. The layer of foam sheathing should be continuous and tight. Tape all the joints with a high quality construction tape, not duct tape. Good choices include 3M contractor’s tape, TU-TUF 4 Tape, and Insultape III. Installing a layer of foam will improve the R-value and improve air tightness when sealed.

Fastening of siding can be tricky. You can install vinyl siding directly over foam as long as your nails extend through it and attach firmly to a solid nail base. The Vinyl Siding Institute recommends 3/4-inch nail penetration, but the International Residential Code requires 1 1/2 inch nail penetration for vinyl siding. This means you must target the underlying studs even when foam overlays structural sheathing. Check your local code on this issue. When it comes to installing wood siding over foam be careful. I don’t think builders should install wood siding directly over plastic foam insulation.

Wood siding applied directly to foam has a history of failures. Nailing wood siding directly to foam doesn’t work because nails have to be extra long to reach through the siding and foam to a solid nail base. Long nails have a larger diameter that can split the siding unless every nail hole is predrilled. Plastic foam traps heat and moisture beneath the siding. Hot sun can overheat wood siding causing it to dry excessively and crack. Foam is less permeable to water vapor and the back of the siding stays wet as the face of the siding dries. As a result, the siding cups, cracks and sheds paint. Wood siding needs an air space between its backside and the face of foam sheathing.

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