为毛泽东辩护:兼谈邓小平的历史责任及本来面目

至于饿死多少人,至今没有权威的资料,有7、8百万到3、4千万之说。3、4千万
的由来有明显错误,因为是按照58年前几年的平均出生率和死亡率得出62年底应
有人口,减去实际人口数而得出的。错误在于:这段时期,人们在饿肚子时行房
次数、怀孕概率和婴儿成活率大幅度降低,出生率要比正常年份低很多。因此,
这种算法将带来千万量级的计算误差。

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1。这么大的事情,为什么”至今没有权威的资料“?
2。和平时期、小灾之年饿死大批老百姓,如果只有(!)100万人他老人家就很伟大了?
3。婴儿不是人?那老人是不是人?如果老人不是人,那他老人家是不是人?
 
毛实践的,是真正意义上的中国特色的社会主义―把中国传统文化中的积极因素和马克思主义的创造性结合.在全世界范围内的68年革命中, 毛泽东成为旗帜之一,不是偶然的.

由于他对中国文化的深刻理解,对传统文化中的负面因素,他是不抱幻想的,打击起来也是不手软的.所以遗老遗少们伤痕文学了几十年,至今还在唧唧歪歪.

今日中国有600万-1000万妓女.爱慕虚荣,想挣快钱的是少数, 为了换口饭吃不得不出卖肉体的是多数.这里有些遗老遗少们面对这些不幸的姐妹同胞,振振有词的说妓女是招商引资的必需, 仁义礼智信都读到狗肚子里去了.

今天刚看到一个很有意思的数据:一直被改革派们所攻击的毛时代的粮食统购统销,其实除了供应城市人口, 有1/3强的粮食是以平价甚至无价返还给农村的―以国家调控的方式,供应非产粮区(牧区,林区,等),灾区,或因为人多地少长期缺粮的地方. 所以那个时候的中国农民,哪怕在灾年,也不需要靠卖血或女儿做妓女来谋生.

俺下面这篇文章,比较了毛时代和今日中国的社会公平,教育,卫生状况.算是忆苦思甜吧―或更确切的说,是忆甜思苦.

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China’s Economic Miracle: Facts and Illusions

China has experienced huge social and economic changes since it started
the reform process in late seventies. It has enjoyed more than 9% annual
GDP growth in the last twenty-five years, unparalleled in modern history.
There is no doubt that China has witnessed an explosion of material wealth
during the period. In 1978, most items including grain, cooking oil, sugar,
eggs, meat, clothes etc. were being rationed through an extensive coupon
system. Item by item, the rationing system has disappeared. Modern luxuries
like TV, washing machines and refrigerators have entered millions of urban
households and many rural households as well. In the capital city Beijing,
personal car ownership has skyrocketed in the last several years to 11
cars per 100 permanent residents while private car ownership was virtually
unheard of 20 years ago.

The World Bank and most economists today say that globalization and the
market economy have brought great success to China in reducing poverty.
Indeed, the number of people living under extreme poverty (1$ per day)
in China has been reduced dramatically from 250 million in 1978 to 30
million in 2000, making China one of the few countries well ahead of its
poverty reduction targets in Millennium Development Goals. In 1999, the
World Bank raised China’s classification from a “low-income country”
to a “lower middle-income country”, when income per capita surpassed
the US $755 cut-off point for low-income countries.

However, in 2004, China’s State Statistics Bureau publicly acknowledged
that the number of people living in extreme poverty actually increased
from 28.2 million in 2002 to 29 million in 2003 despite the rapid GDP
growth. World Bank has generally defined poverty as less than two dollars
per day and extreme poverty as less than one dollar per day. China’s
statistics bureau sets the line of extreme poverty at an annual income
of 636 Yuan for 2003. (The number is adjusted annually and it is supposed
to be more or less comparable with $1 per day in terms of purchasing power
parity.) Virtually all the extreme poor lived in rural areas. The government
blamed the increase on hazardous weather conditions during the year, thus
dismissing it as an abnormal blip in the otherwise optimistic long-term
trend. Is this true? China officially joined WTO in December 2001, marking
a further commitment towards integration in the world economy. Increased
concessions in the agriculture sector certainly do not offer relief to
the already ailing rural areas. From 2000 to 2002, 42% of rural households
experienced decreased income in absolute terms.

In this briefing document, we will comment on some counter trends to the
general optimism―what actually happened to Chinese people in the reform
era in terms of quality of life indicators such as equality, health care
and education.

TRENDS TOWARDS DISEQUALITY

In less than thirty years, China transformed from one of most egalitarian
countries to one of most unequal in the world. In early 1980s, the income
percentage of the top decile group was less than 20%. In 1995, the top
decile group appropriated 33.7% of income, while the bottom decile only
1.87% (from Khan & Riskin, ”Inequality and poverty in China in the age
of globalization”). This disequalizing trend continues. In 2005, State
Statistics Bureau announced that the top decile group now takes 45% of
the wealth, while the bottom decile only 1.4%. The change of Gini ratio
over the years also signifies the disturbing trend. Gini ratio is a measure
of inequality often used by sociologists: a value of 0.2 or less is associated
with an egalitarian society; 0.2-0.4 is considered acceptable; values
over 0.4 signifies serious polarization and increasing social unrest (i.e.,
typical symptoms of Latin Americanization); values over 0.5 or 0.6 often
predicts that violent revolution is inevitable. China’s Gini ratio increased
steadily from less than 0.2 in 1980 to 0.45 of current level. Not surprisingly,
the incidence of mass incidents (protests, demonstrations and even clashes
with the government) increased from 58,000 in 2003 to 74,000 in 2004,
more than 10 times compared to a decade ago.

One common critique of the pre-reform era was that the household registration
system treated the rural population as second-rate citizens and limited
their freedom of movement. Nowadays, the huge army of migrant workers
is the living proof of high mobility. However, the ever-enlarging rural-urban
gap demonstrates that it is mostly a freedom to experience inequality
and exploitation. According to estimates by State Statistics Bureau, the
ratio of urban vs. rural per capita income was 1.8 in early 1980s, 2.19
in 1988, 2.72 in 1995, and 3.23 in 2003, while the world average in between
1.5 to 2. Rural residents shoulder disproportionate tax burden while
having less access to public services including education and health care.
In several interviews, deputy minister Qiu Xiaohua pointed out that if
the non-cash subsidies enjoyed by urban residents were taken into account,
the real income gap could be as high as 6:1, the highest rural urban gap
in the world.

The rising tide is certainly lifting the yachts much more than other boats,
if other boats were lifted at all.

***The Plight of Migrant Workers***
It is estimated that there are 100-200 million migrant workers from rural
areas currently working in Chinese cities. It is probably the biggest
migration in human history. These people work as construction workers,
domestic helpers, sex workers, guards, assembly line workers, miners etc.
They are one major driving force of the economic boom, the labor force
behind the “Made in China” labels currently sweeping through the world,
the builders of expanding highways and skyscrapers. It is estimated that
they contribute to more than 20% of GDP generation. Are these people making
huge strides towards industrialization and urbanization as some people
claim? Are they benefiting from the current economic order? Despite a
small percentage of success stories, the answers are probably a big “
NO” for the majority of migrant workers.

Most of the migrant workers work in sweatshop conditions. As a socialist
country, China used to have one of the world best labor laws to protect
its workers. Though these laws still exist on paper, their implementation
has been steadily eroded over the years. Migrant workers bear the brunt
of deteriorating labor conditions as they have little bargaining power
in the labor market and do not have access to fair legal protection. It
is estimated that migrant workers as a group, has 150-300 billion Yuan
(about 20-40 billion dollar) worth of overdue salary to be collected.
The payment is often overdue for months or even years. China’s State
Administration of Work Safety reported about 136,000 fatalities from workplace
accidents in 2004, up from 100,000 in 2000. In three high-risk professions
(mining, construction and works involving dangerous chemicals), migrant
workers account for over 80% of the casualties. One health survey of state
owned mines found that 4.74% of the migrant workers suffer from occupational
diseases, and the average onset of the diseases is only 6.69 years on
the job post; in comparison, only 0.89% of official workers get occupational
diseases and the onset is 25 years on the job post. Coal mining accidents
claim 5,000 lives per year, about 80% of the world total. In one industrial
area alone―Shenzhen and the surrounding Pearl River delta, industrial
accidents cut off 40,000 fingers per year. The average pay out is only
60 dollars per finger―though the injured normally could get much higher
compensation if they went through the formal litigation process, the case
average of litigation time is 1,070 days, making it prohibitively long
and expensive for most workers.

In 2003, some professors and NGO workers carried out a joint survey of
industrial injuries in the Pearl River delta. The survey covered 582 injured
workers and its statistics shed light to the prevailing labor conditions
in the region:

・ 70.2%, 15.4% and 10% of the injured were from rural villages, rural
towns and rural counties respectively, while urban workers only made up
4.3% of the injured. ・ The average age of the workers was 26 years old,
4.5% of them were below 17 years old. ・ Private enterprises (most of
them are contractors for foreign corporations) accounted for 53.9% of
the accidents while foreign enterprises accounted for 26%. State owned
enterprises and collective enterprises were responsible for 3.5% and 1.9%
of the accidents respectively.・ 61.7% of the injured workers had no labor
contracts with the enterprises. Only 11% of involved enterprises had labor
unions.・ 66.3% of the surveyed worked over 8 hours per day. The average
working day was 10.18 hours. More than 50% of the workers had to work
overtime, with the overtime ranged from 1 hour to 8 hours. More than 70%
of the workers had no weekend off at ll. ・ Though the labor laws stipulated
that they were entitled to regular salary during treatment period, most
of the injured workers did not received it: only 20.3% received regular
pay and 16.4% received reduced pay.
  
Even if they are lucky enough to escape sweatshop conditions and injuries,
the dream of middle-class life is beyond the reach of most migrant workers
despite their hard work. For example, for a typical security guard who
is working for some newly developed residence community in Beijing, his
annual salary is barely enough to purchase one square meter of the middle-class
real estate he is guarding. Most migrant workers and their families live
in shantytowns or urban slums, forgotten corners of the cities where little
public service is available. According to 2004 government report, the
mortality rate of pregnant migrant women and their children is estimated
to be between 1.4 and 3.6 times national average. The children of migrant
workers grow up in two ways: some are left in the countryside, being raised
up by the grandparents while separated from the parents for prolonged
period of time; the others are living with their parents, facing all the
uncertainties and insecurities of the “floating” life. Needless to say,
neither is an attractive option. Among the 3 million migrant children,
about 15% do not attend school. Those who do attend often enroll in improvised,
substandard private schools. Only in recent years, the government starts
to mandate some public schools to accept migrant children. But often times,
the schools are still using higher fees and other discriminatory measures
to discourage enrollment.

What is even more depressing is that despite China’s economic growth,
the conditions of migrant workers are deteriorating instead of improving.
A decade ago, a migrant worker working in manufacture jobs in Southern
China could look forward to earning about 5,000 Yuan per year. But oven
the past 12 years, factory workers’ annual salary has risen by a tiny
68 Yuan, according to a study released in 2004. In the meantime, prices
of many basic food items have more than doubled, thus the real salary
has decreased significantly if inflation is factored in. ***End: The Plight
of Migrant Workers**

DETERIOATION IN HEALTH CARE

Before 1980, China’s health care system had been developed under the
socialist planned economy. By 1980, more than 90% of the population was
covered by state or collective health care system. From 1949 to 1980,
average life expectancy increased from 35 years to 67 years; infant mortality
rate dropped from more than 200 per thousand to 39 per thousand. It was
one of the fastest improvements witnessed in the world during the same
period. By the late 1970s, China’s health indicators were not only much
better than the average of low income countries, but also better than
the world average or average of middle income countries. In WHO’s 1978
Alma Ata Conference “Health for all by the Year 2000”, China’s primary
health care system was featured as model for the world.

Unfortunately, despite spectacular GDP growth in more than two decades,
such brilliant performance has not continued or even being maintained
in many aspects. Since 1980, the health care system went through several
rounds of market-oriented reform. From 1980 to 2003, health care expenditure
skyrocketed 15 times even after inflation was taken into account (from
14.32 billion Yuan to 662.33 billion Yuan). Meanwhile, the percentage
of government contributions and collective contributions (from state owned
enterprises, collective owned enterprises and rural cooperatives) decreased
from 36.2% and 42.6% to 17.2% and 27.3% respectively. Thus the share of
individual contribution increased from 21.2% to 55.5%. Even the dwindling
government funds are distributed very unequally. In 1998, per capital
government spending on health care were 130 and 10.7 Yuan respectively
for urban and rural sector. As a consequence, rural public health infrastructure
has deteriorated considerably: it is estimated that of the public health
organizations below the county level, 1/3 are still functioning normally,
1/3 are at the brink of bankruptcy, 1/3 are in total disarray. Health
care insurance now covers about half of the urban population and only
10% of the rural population. In the 2003 SARS epidemic, the society came
to the shocking realization of total lack of health care in the rural
area. The government had to resort to mass mobilization and blockades
to prevent SARS from spreading to the countryside. As all clinics and
hospitals are increasingly pressured by the profit motive, more and more
cost effective preventive measures are being replaced by expensive and
not always necessary treatments. It is estimated that due to price concern,
about half of urban patients self medicate, while half of rural patients
forgo any kind of treatment at all. A 2001 study showed that 21.6% of
poverty stricken rural households fell below the poverty line due to medical
expenses: the average cost of hospitalization is over 1500Yuan, about
half of the average annual rural income, or more than twice of the government
poverty line.

Diseases that were once controlled, like tuberculosis and schistosomiasis,
are having a strong coming-back. The occurrence rate of tuberculosis has
quadrupled in recent years. New diseases like AIDS are spreading rapidly
through activities like illegal blood selling and needle sharing. It is
estimated that HIV infected around 1 to 6 million poor farmers who sold
blood. The government has become quite forth coming about the crisis in
the last few years and the wide range of estimation is not due to any
cover-up. It is due to the simple fact that health monitor in rural areas
has collapsed together with health care, thus no one is having accurate
information of the problem. As cited by Khan and Riskin in “Inequality
and Poverty in China in the Age of Globalization” (P95), “World Bank
analyses indicate that the national under-five mortality rate, regarded
by UNICEF as the single best indicator of social development because it
encompasses so many other indicators, stopped declining in the early 1980s
and stagnated until 1991, and that the percentage of rural children with
very low height for age (a key indication of malnutrition) increased from
1987 to 1992.” In a 2000 World Health Report, China ranked 188th out
of 191 countries in terms of fairness in financial contribution to health
and 144th out of 191 countries in overall performance of the health care
sector.

Instead of continuing as a leader of health care performance, China has
become a leader in the worldwide trend toward health care financing privatization.
The consequence is nothing but gloom. In July 2005, Development Research
Center of the State Council released an official document admitting the
market-oriented health care reform was not a success. Some authors of
the document commented that China’s health care system is suffering from
an “American disease” with the following symptoms: skyrocketing cost,
unfair access, low efficiency and stagnant health indicators.

DETIORATION IN EDUCATION

Public education especially primary and secondary education enjoyed significant
growth in the pre-reform era. Adult illiteracy rate dropped from more
than 80% in 1949 to 33% in 1980. In 1978, the enrollment rate for elementary
school was above 95% and the advancement rate from elementary school to
junior high was 87.5%. Government or collective funds supported virtually
all levels of education, while only token fees were charged from the parents.

The same as health care, education costs have skyrocketed in the last
20 years while the share of private financing has increased significantly.
It is estimated that four year of college would have cost a family 40,000
Yuan, more than 13 times of average per capita rural income. Even for
primary and secondary education, non-government sources are forced to
pay 44% of the cost (1999 data), much higher than that of all OECD countries
and most developing countries. Many rural children, especially girls,
are being kept out of school as their families find it impossible to pay
the increasingly steep fees. Though the official data about enrollment
rate or literacy rate has more or less maintained previous high levels,
many people working on the ground say the situation is probably otherwise―
as enrollment rate is an important criteria for official evaluation, it
is not uncommon for some local officials to round up all children into
schools at the beginning of school year to guarantee a good number, but
many kids would drop out soon after the government check-up.

In 1999, public spending on education was only 2.79% of GDP, in comparison
to 4.38% of the world average. The government funding is also distributed
quite unevenly as well. 77% of the educational investment is allocated
for urban areas. Higher education gets a bigger share of the funding at
the cost of basic education. Take the years 1999 and 2000 as examples,
government allocation in primary education dropped from 36.1% to 32.6%,
while the share of tertiary education increased from 15.6% to 24.0%. From
1978 to 1990, the advancement rate from primary school to junior high
decreased from 87.5% to 74.6%. In some areas, the advancement rate from
junior high school to senior high school is as low as 25% though college
education has exploded in the last several years.

The elitist approach also affects the content of education profoundly.
Education is increasingly geared towards book knowledge and college entrance
exams while detached from community conditions and needs. Education has
degenerated into a means to climb up the social ladder only, while its
function to improve people’s daily life withers away. Especially for
many poor families, education has become a risky gamble because chances
of upward social mobility are limited. The whole education system is
ridden by fierce competition, confirming a lucky few as winners while
condemning the rest majority as losers. There are more and more incidents
where young kids commit suicides when their families cannot come up with
tuition fees, or when they fail some important exams.

Besides equality, health care and education, the mounting environmental
crisis also raises serious questions about who is benefiting and whether
the growth is sustainable; but environmental issues will be addressed
in more details in other part of the report. The above picture already
provides another angle to explain why China has been a darling for investors
in recent years: as more and more cost is externalized, higher return
is being achieved for the capital. Besides the top 10% -20% of the population
who are joining the global consuming elites, average Chinese people are
no winners in this process. In 1978, China was a country with low wages
but high benefits: education, health care and housing were provided to
urban residents at little or no cost; majority of rural residents enjoyed
public education and health care as well. Today’s China is a country
with low wages and low benefits, a leader in the global race to the bottom.
While people have to pay more and more for public goods, even their share
of the pie is getting smaller: in late 1970s and most of 1980s, the total
salary vs. GDP was around 16%, since then it has steadily decreased to
12% in 2003.

When the author grew up in China in early 1970s, the family lived under
one dollar per person per day. Even if all subsidies were taken into account,
the total could hardly be two or three dollars per day. It was a life
with little luxury and some inconveniences. But instead of a life of poverty,
it was a life of frugality, sufficiency, dignity and rich community experience―
if we have to put a price tag on things, just the free baby-sitting offered
by the neighbors alone could easily translate into a few hundred dollars
per month in western standards. Those were by-gone years. Today’s China
is increasingly dominated by money, fierce competition and social Darwinism.
Living with less than one or two dollars per day is indeed difficult to
get by. Reflecting the rapidly deteriorating social environment, suicide
rate has increased to unprecedented level and suicide has become of the
leading cause of death for age group 20-35.

Given above examinations of quality of life indicators (education, health,
equality etc.), the entire legitimacy of the whole poverty reduction claims
is called into question. With more and more aspects of life being commodified
and monetized, of course we see growing GDP and per capita income; with
the top 10-20% getting an ever-enlarging share, of course their success
stories dominate the media space. But that is hardly a measure of general
improvement for the mass. What kind of poverty reduction is it when more
and more people find it difficult to afford basic health care and education?
 
DETIORATION IN EDUCATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!

别的俺就不跟您讲了。

俺在毛主席领导下读到初中。在学校向来是第一名的。俺学到了什么呢:
1。算术:会背乘法口诀了;
2。物理、化学、地理、历史、生物:对不起,没开 (邓小平复辟之后才开物理化学,但那教师的水平,也真的只有惨不忍睹几个字);
3。语文:”学会“了抄报纸写革命大批判文章:东风吹战鼓擂。。。。。。文化大革命就是好!
4。音乐:学会了几首革命样板戏歌曲;
5。政治、道德:天天警惕资产阶级复辟;
6。文学:学会了背诵老三篇(你知道那是什么玩意儿吗?)
 
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结论:本辩护十分无力。

老弟,95年以前,俺也是毛主席的诋毁者。至今回想起来汗颜。。。
 
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老弟,95年以前,俺也是毛主席的诋毁者。至今回想起来汗颜。。。

呵呵,老兄,诋毁者也好、歌功颂德者也好 -- 只要所述符合事实就好。
 
老毛已经被订在历史的耻辱柱上了

这篇文章到处都是错误和虚假的东西,就是典型的大吹大擂大鸣大放。
先声明不是轮子不是民运,只是一个普通中国人眼里的老毛。
50年代第一个5年计划的成就基本上都是靠苏联人帮助建立起来的,再加上吃日本人撤走后在东北的老底,俺们以前在国内的那个企业是一五156个重点项目之一,几十年过去了还在生产刚建厂时从苏联引进的产品。
老毛统治的近30年基本上说经济是停滞乃至倒退的,至少是跟世界其他国家比起来。49年中国的GDP还比日本多呢,到了78年只有日本的10分之一。 不知道这个文章里面说中国经济在老毛统治时期高速发展这个数字是怎么来的。难道人家都是百分之几百的增长率?
老毛统治20几年中国人口翻了一翻,痛批马演出的人口理论,这些都是铁一般的事实,50,60年代出生的人,哪个不是兄弟5,6个,农村的8,9个也不稀罕吧。人口多了也未必全是坏事,能把生产力释放出来也行啊,老毛吃饱了去搞 人民公社大跃进,为了实现他1200万吨钢的理想,就号召大家把自己家里锅砸了在地里挖个坑炼“钢”,家里没锅只好都去吃公社食堂。最后周恩来厚颜无耻的宣布,当年全国钢产量:“洋钢”800万吨,“土钢”400万吨。从一个大国总理嘴里说出这种话来大家要笑翻了。
直到现在中国的各种出版物上还提“3年自然灾害”,事实上最多2分是天灾,8分是人祸。事实上老毛自己大概也觉得不太妙,想结束大跃进,但是偏彭德怀这个直性子在庐山会议上炮轰大跃进,老毛这个人的本性就是刚愎自用,如果他自己发现的还好,手下人指出来让他改,他可不干。于是把彭德怀打倒,继续大跃进,直到全国人民饿肚子。60年全国饿死多少人没有确切数字,但是把这笔帐记在老毛头上一点都没错。
老毛跟历代的皇帝类似,对权力有着极强的渴望和占有欲,即使大权在握,也时刻不忘权力争夺,他总是语重心长的提醒我们:“千万不要忘记了阶级斗争!”老毛的一大艺术就是对人心理的控制和摧残。跟他比起来老蒋真是相形见绌,提鞋跟也不配,老蒋对待不同政见人士只能靠警察去抓,在法庭上还给人家免费演讲的地方,各种媒介还要全程报道,大多只能灰遛遛的放了,就算狠下心枪毙两个,最后还能喊声打倒国民党英勇就义。文化大革命斗了那么多人,哪一个不是给斗得身心俱残了还要口口声声说我是拥护毛主席得,又有谁敢喊一声打倒毛泽东?很多人被斗死,还不敢发出心底的声音。这种声音也许只能藏在心里,却是万万不可说出来。在那个有人无意用引有老毛照片得报纸揩屁股而被枪毙的恐怖年代,人只能明哲保身,谎言重复一千次就是真理,老毛肯定深谙其道。
老毛虽然是农民出身,却搞了个独一无二的城乡二元制度和城市户口制度,在这个制度下面不仅农民被剥夺了进城的权利市民也被剥夺了自由迁徙的权利。实际上这个制度仅仅是对统治者加强自己的统治服务,对经济发展是一个巨大的桎梏。解放前农民有钱可以去城里做买卖发达了也可以买房置地,城里的混不下去的也可以去乡下种田去。但是在这种制度下,就造就了一批不思进取只想着靠“准入制度”限制外来人口的新八旗子弟, 现在的北京上海就是这样。天天叫嚷着北京人口压力大,所以要限制外来人口流入,可是怎么没有人想起把北京现有低素质市民淘汰呢?
四人帮成了文化大革命的替罪羊,可是大家别忘了老毛的一张大自报揭开了序幕,又亲自在天安门接见红卫兵,在10年时间里老毛真的对文革的情况一无所知吗?事实上如果不是老毛的操纵和授权,四人帮哪有什么能量,国家机器又怎么会无力对抗?正是老毛一手发动的文化大革命,把中国推进了苦难的深渊,才使中国人在80年代突然发现自己被世界拉下那么远,中国经济在这20几年的苦苦追赶,还才能勉强还上过去的欠债而已。
老毛当政期间,把人按阶级成分划分成369等,造成了多少悲剧。又天才的发明了“叛徒内奸工贼”等一系列“荣誉称号”,放进档案里伴随了多少人度过一生。 中国革命的受益者们用种种方式试图确保重新确立起来的社会等级制度代代相传下去,正如毛泽东开始想把位子传给儿子一样。
看看80年代中国军队的装备,基本上就是苏联5,60年代的过时货而已,中国军工只是但是中国工业的一个缩影,停滞不前甚至是倒退了10几年。即便是倾举国之力造的核武器,核潜艇,也还要拼命排斥了政治干扰才能做出来。
小时候总是不明白,苏联也是搞了那么些年社会主义,为什么人家是超级大国,为什么人家不搞人民公社文化大革命?答案便是老毛的存在吧。
如果历史可以改变,老毛卒于1949,也许是他的大幸,更是中国人民的大幸。
中国没有成为当代的朝鲜,没有继续生活在红色的灾难海洋里,没有继续象父辈一样把青春荒废,已经是一种幸运,而在历史发展到现在的今天,利用中国社会发展存在的某些问题去为老毛歌共颂德,只能说是一种无知和倒退。



最初由 掾民 发布


呵呵,老兄,诋毁者也好、歌功颂德者也好 -- 只要所述符合事实就好。
 
Re: 老毛已经被订在历史的耻辱柱上了

最初由 Fraser 发布
这篇文章到处都是错误和虚假的东西,就是典型的大吹大擂大鸣大放。
先声明不是轮子不是民运,只是一个普通中国人眼里的老毛。
50年代第一个5年计划的成就基本上都是靠苏联人帮助建立起来的,再加上吃日本人撤走后在东北的老底,俺们以前在国内的那个企业是一五156个重点项目之一,几十年过去了还在生产刚建厂时从苏联引进的产品。
老毛统治的近30年基本上说经济是停滞乃至倒退的,至少是跟世界其他国家比起来。49年中国的GDP还比日本多呢,到了78年只有日本的10分之一。 不知道这个文章里面说中国经济在老毛统治时期高速发展这个数字是怎么来的。难道人家都是百分之几百的增长率?
老毛统治20几年中国人口翻了一翻,痛批马演出的人口理论,这些都是铁一般的事实,50,60年代出生的人,哪个不是兄弟5,6个,农村的8,9个也不稀罕吧。人口多了也未必全是坏事,能把生产力释放出来也行啊,老毛吃饱了去搞 人民公社大跃进,为了实现他1200万吨钢的理想,就号召大家把自己家里锅砸了在地里挖个坑炼“钢”,家里没锅只好都去吃公社食堂。最后周恩来厚颜无耻的宣布,当年全国钢产量:“洋钢”800万吨,“土钢”400万吨。从一个大国总理嘴里说出这种话来大家要笑翻了。
直到现在中国的各种出版物上还提“3年自然灾害”,事实上最多2分是天灾,8分是人祸。事实上老毛自己大概也觉得不太妙,想结束大跃进,但是偏彭德怀这个直性子在庐山会议上炮轰大跃进,老毛这个人的本性就是刚愎自用,如果他自己发现的还好,手下人指出来让他改,他可不干。于是把彭德怀打倒,继续大跃进,直到全国人民饿肚子。60年全国饿死多少人没有确切数字,但是把这笔帐记在老毛头上一点都没错。
老毛跟历代的皇帝类似,对权力有着极强的渴望和占有欲,即使大权在握,也时刻不忘权力争夺,他总是语重心长的提醒我们:“千万不要忘记了阶级斗争!”老毛的一大艺术就是对人心理的控制和摧残。跟他比起来老蒋真是相形见绌,提鞋跟也不配,老蒋对待不同政见人士只能靠警察去抓,在法庭上还给人家免费演讲的地方,各种媒介还要全程报道,大多只能灰遛遛的放了,就算狠下心枪毙两个,最后还能喊声打倒国民党英勇就义。文化大革命斗了那么多人,哪一个不是给斗得身心俱残了还要口口声声说我是拥护毛主席得,又有谁敢喊一声打倒毛泽东?很多人被斗死,还不敢发出心底的声音。这种声音也许只能藏在心里,却是万万不可说出来。在那个有人无意用引有老毛照片得报纸揩屁股而被枪毙的恐怖年代,人只能明哲保身,谎言重复一千次就是真理,老毛肯定深谙其道。
老毛虽然是农民出身,却搞了个独一无二的城乡二元制度和城市户口制度,在这个制度下面不仅农民被剥夺了进城的权利市民也被剥夺了自由迁徙的权利。实际上这个制度仅仅是对统治者加强自己的统治服务,对经济发展是一个巨大的桎梏。解放前农民有钱可以去城里做买卖发达了也可以买房置地,城里的混不下去的也可以去乡下种田去。但是在这种制度下,就造就了一批不思进取只想着靠“准入制度”限制外来人口的新八旗子弟, 现在的北京上海就是这样。天天叫嚷着北京人口压力大,所以要限制外来人口流入,可是怎么没有人想起把北京现有低素质市民淘汰呢?
四人帮成了文化大革命的替罪羊,可是大家别忘了老毛的一张大自报揭开了序幕,又亲自在天安门接见红卫兵,在10年时间里老毛真的对文革的情况一无所知吗?事实上如果不是老毛的操纵和授权,四人帮哪有什么能量,国家机器又怎么会无力对抗?正是老毛一手发动的文化大革命,把中国推进了苦难的深渊,才使中国人在80年代突然发现自己被世界拉下那么远,中国经济在这20几年的苦苦追赶,还才能勉强还上过去的欠债而已。
老毛当政期间,把人按阶级成分划分成369等,造成了多少悲剧。又天才的发明了“叛徒内奸工贼”等一系列“荣誉称号”,放进档案里伴随了多少人度过一生。 中国革命的受益者们用种种方式试图确保重新确立起来的社会等级制度代代相传下去,正如毛泽东开始想把位子传给儿子一样。
看看80年代中国军队的装备,基本上就是苏联5,60年代的过时货而已,中国军工只是但是中国工业的一个缩影,停滞不前甚至是倒退了10几年。即便是倾举国之力造的核武器,核潜艇,也还要拼命排斥了政治干扰才能做出来。
小时候总是不明白,苏联也是搞了那么些年社会主义,为什么人家是超级大国,为什么人家不搞人民公社文化大革命?答案便是老毛的存在吧。
如果历史可以改变,老毛卒于1949,也许是他的大幸,更是中国人民的大幸。
中国没有成为当代的朝鲜,没有继续生活在红色的灾难海洋里,没有继续象父辈一样把青春荒废,已经是一种幸运,而在历史发展到现在的今天,利用中国社会发展存在的某些问题去为老毛歌共颂德,只能说是一种无知和倒退。




这篇文章写的不错。不知版主能不能驳斥一下?如能,俺一定和你一样从新回到人民的阵营为主席他老人家歌功颂德^_^。
 
这样的速度,再经过这二十多年的发展,中国的工业、农业、国防、科技早就全
面达到并超过世界先进水平,不至于现在国家安全险象环生,靠进口战斗机、潜
艇、驱逐舰,还达不到台海的军事均势而内荏色虚,更不要说在美帝国主义面前
噤若寒蝉。至于美帝国主义,由于国际共产主义运动和人民解放运动的高涨,无
法剥削掠夺各国的资源而激化国内矛盾,受到全世界人民内外夹攻,庶几已经崩
溃灭亡。至于亚洲、非洲、拉丁美洲以及象现在巴勒斯坦、阿富汗、伊拉克、前
苏联国家的人民也就不至于在帝国主义、资本主义的铁掌下遭受如此蹂躏!只要
中国不改变颜色,只要中国保持建国后三十年的发展速度,谁能说这是不可能的
呢?


要搞跨美帝最终非是要打几场末日圣仗,死它个几亿人,红棋才能插满全球。
 
发展工业,呵呵

想当年X新宇大手一挥,我们要自己造飞机
苏联来的3架飞机被解了体,装都装不回去
技术上的问题解决了以后,材料的问题出来了
不计代价的结果就是200炉钢材里找出20吨参数比较接近的使用
其他都是废料
而炼钢的工艺问题从没解决过

这些应该都算工业产值吧
 
这样的速度,再经过这二十多年的发展,中国的工业、农业、国防、科技早就全
面达到并超过世界先进水平,不至于现在国家安全险象环生,靠进口战斗机、潜
艇、驱逐舰,还达不到台海的军事均势而内荏色虚,更不要说在美帝国主义面前
噤若寒蝉。至于美帝国主义,由于国际共产主义运动和人民解放运动的高涨,无
法剥削掠夺各国的资源而激化国内矛盾,受到全世界人民内外夹攻,庶几已经崩
溃灭亡。至于亚洲、非洲、拉丁美洲以及象现在巴勒斯坦、阿富汗、伊拉克、前
苏联国家的人民也就不至于在帝国主义、资本主义的铁掌下遭受如此蹂躏!只要
中国不改变颜色,只要中国保持建国后三十年的发展速度,谁能说这是不可能的
呢?

~~~~~~~~~

呃肺白日做?式的??╋如果是小年蒺真的╋我??有心情同情他一?少不?事。
 
最初由 cucapila 发布
发展工业,呵呵

想当年X新宇大手一挥,我们要自己造飞机
苏联来的3架飞机被解了体,装都装不回去
技术上的问题解决了以后,材料的问题出来了
不计代价的结果就是200炉钢材里找出20吨参数比较接近的使用
其他都是废料
而炼钢的工艺问题从没解决过

这些应该都算工业产值吧

老兄观察的很敏锐,毛时代与邓修的不同就在于此!

毛时代是:“一号机引进;二号机仿制;三号机自造”。在仿制到自造的过程中,要克服材料,工艺,设计,计算,制造。。。诸多问题和难点,从而带动整个工业的发展壮大。

而邓是“造不如买,买不如租”,所以,飞机没有了,预警机没有了,汽车没有了,集成电路没有了,。。。毛时代建立的完整民族工业体系瓦解了。只能买些生产线,沦为打工的“血汗工厂”。
 
算了吧,毛的时代过去了。想复辟毛时代的人,会让毛在纪念堂翻身的,不是因为高兴。

推崇毛的左派有一个重大问题没解决。那就是毛为什么号称要七八年再来一次,因为毛熟读中国历史。他心里十分清楚,即使文化大革命让普通民众说了话夺了权,这些人再经过七八年还会退化掉。毛至死没有想出办法。只能带着自己人民民主专政和消灭政党的梦想去永远睡在了纪念堂。
 
最初由 wushuren 发布
算了吧,毛的时代过去了。想复辟毛时代的人,会让毛在纪念堂翻身的,不是因为高兴。

推崇毛的左派有一个重大问题没解决。那就是毛为什么号称要七八年再来一次,因为毛熟读中国历史。他心里十分清楚,即使文化大革命让普通民众说了话夺了权,这些人再经过七八年还会退化掉。毛至死没有想出办法。只能带着自己人民民主专政和消灭政党的梦想去永远睡在了纪念堂。

小老弟,“七八年再来一次”你可要好好琢磨一下,可能对你的地球联盟帝国有帮助。连西方民主国家,也基本是8年换一个领袖。
 
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