信用何在?!

“吃一欠, 长一智”

这种官司法官是不会让人拿到钱的, 不赔就不错了。

看看以下2005年安省小法庭 (Small Claims Court)的费用:

I. CLERK’S FEES

1. 1. Filing of a claim by an infrequent claimant $75.00
2. Filing of a claim by a frequent claimant $145.00
3. Filing of a defendant’s claim $75.00
4. Filing a notice of motion served on another party, a notice of motion without notice or a notice of motion for a consent order (except a notice of motion under the Wages Act) $40.00
5. Filing a defence $40.00
6. Issuing a summons to a witness $19.00
7. Receiving for enforcement a process from the Ontario Court (Provincial Division) or an order or judgment as provided by statute $25.00
8. Issuing a certificate of judgment $19.00
9. Issuing a writ of delivery, a writ of seizure and sale or a notice of examination $35.00
10. Issuing a notice of garnishment $100.00
11. Preparing and filing a consolidation order $75.00
12. Forwarding a court file to Divisional Court for appeal $20.00
13. Issuing a certified copy of a judgment or other ocument, $3.50 per page
14. Transmitting a document other than by mail
$ Cost of ransmission
15. For the inspection of a court file,
i. by a solicitor or party in the proceeding no charge
ii. by a person who has entered into an agreement with the Attorney General for the bulk inspection of court files,
$1.00 per file
iii. by any other person, $10.00 per file
16. Making a photocopy of a document not requiring certification, $1.00 per page
17. Preparing records of orders, $2.00 per name
18. In an application under the Repair and Storage Liens Act,
i. on the filing of,
A. an application $100.00
B. a notice of objection $35.00
C. a waiver of further claim and a receipt no charge
ii. on the issuing of,
A. an initial certificate $35.00
B. a final certificate $35.00
C. a writ of seizure $35.00
19. Fixing of a date for trial by an infrequent claimant $100.00
20. Fixing of a date for trial by a frequent claimant $130.00
21. Entering of a default judgment by an infrequent claimant $35.00
22. Entering of a default judgment by a frequent claimant $50.00


II. BAILIFF’S FEES

2. 1. For each attempt, whether successful or not, to serve a claim, third party claim, summons to witness, notice of examination or notice of garnishment, for each person to be served $24.00
2. For each attempt, whether successful or not, to enforce a writ of delivery 36.00
3. For each attempt, whether successful or not, to enforce a writ of seizure and sale of personal property,
i. where no sale is necessary 36.00
ii. where a sale is necessary 60.00
4. For each attempt, whether successful or not, to enforce a writ of seizure under the Repair and Storage Liens Act 36.00
5. Enforcing a writ of delivery or a writ of seizure and sale of personal property, removing property seized, advertising the sale of personal property, including obtaining assistance in seizing, securing or retaining property Reasonable disbursements necessarily incurred, including appraisers’ fees
 
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最初由 -我本善良- 发布

做人还是"严以律己,宽以待人"的好.


这样"重级别"的案子,TRIBUNO都不一定受理.你要闲得直哼哼,可以去试试.别忘了,收集好证据!

告不告在我,受不受在法院。没什么了。
 
Re: “吃一欠, 长一智”

最初由 楚天 发布
这种官司法官是不会让人拿到钱的, 不赔就不错了。

看看以下2005年安省小法庭 (Small Claims Court)的费用:

I. CLERK’S FEES

1. 1. Filing of a claim by an infrequent claimant $75.00
2. Filing of a claim by a frequent claimant $145.00
3. Filing of a defendant’s claim $75.00
4. Filing a notice of motion served on another party, a notice of motion without notice or a notice of motion for a consent order (except a notice of motion under the Wages Act) $40.00
5. Filing a defence $40.00
6. Issuing a summons to a witness $19.00
7. Receiving for enforcement a process from the Ontario Court (Provincial Division) or an order or judgment as provided by statute $25.00
8. Issuing a certificate of judgment $19.00
9. Issuing a writ of delivery, a writ of seizure and sale or a notice of examination $35.00
10. Issuing a notice of garnishment $100.00
11. Preparing and filing a consolidation order $75.00
12. Forwarding a court file to Divisional Court for appeal $20.00
13. Issuing a certified copy of a judgment or other ocument, $3.50 per page
14. Transmitting a document other than by mail
$ Cost of ransmission
15. For the inspection of a court file,
i. by a solicitor or party in the proceeding no charge
ii. by a person who has entered into an agreement with the Attorney General for the bulk inspection of court files,
$1.00 per file
iii. by any other person, $10.00 per file
16. Making a photocopy of a document not requiring certification, $1.00 per page
17. Preparing records of orders, $2.00 per name
18. In an application under the Repair and Storage Liens Act,
i. on the filing of,
A. an application $100.00
B. a notice of objection $35.00
C. a waiver of further claim and a receipt no charge
ii. on the issuing of,
A. an initial certificate $35.00
B. a final certificate $35.00
C. a writ of seizure $35.00
19. Fixing of a date for trial by an infrequent claimant $100.00
20. Fixing of a date for trial by a frequent claimant $130.00
21. Entering of a default judgment by an infrequent claimant $35.00
22. Entering of a default judgment by a frequent claimant $50.00


II. BAILIFF’S FEES

2. 1. For each attempt, whether successful or not, to serve a claim, third party claim, summons to witness, notice of examination or notice of garnishment, for each person to be served $24.00
2. For each attempt, whether successful or not, to enforce a writ of delivery 36.00
3. For each attempt, whether successful or not, to enforce a writ of seizure and sale of personal property,
i. where no sale is necessary 36.00
ii. where a sale is necessary 60.00
4. For each attempt, whether successful or not, to enforce a writ of seizure under the Repair and Storage Liens Act 36.00
5. Enforcing a writ of delivery or a writ of seizure and sale of personal property, removing property seized, advertising the sale of personal property, including obtaining assistance in seizing, securing or retaining property Reasonable disbursements necessarily incurred, including appraisers’ fees


打这样的小官司的人,一般不会为了钱,就是要实现法制之名。使对方明白不能那样处理事情。
 
这本来是一个道德范畴的问题 。 道义本来就不在失信者那一边。
难道还要法院出一公文,判处 失信者的不道德?
 
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最初由 毛王叉 发布



打这样的小官司的人,一般不会为了钱,就是要实现法制之名。使对方明白不能那样处理事情。

如果你想叫真的话,我担保你这官司打不赢.
1.你们只是口头约定,别人还没收你的钱,可视为"合同"还没开始.
2.你们没有在"合同"中规定违约责任.
 
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最初由 -我本善良- 发布


如果你想叫真的话,我担保你这官司打不赢.
1.你们只是口头约定,别人还没收你的钱,可视为"合同"还没开始.
2.你们没有在"合同"中规定违约责任.

小法庭(Small Claims Court) 对证据 (evidence) 的要求没有那么严格。口头约定(For example, with a telephone record to someone who you would never call, plus the AD on CFC)是可以接受的"合同。
 
完全能理解楼主的心情~~给楼主讲讲我的遭遇,消消气哈~~

从Toronto搬家到这的时候,定好的车,和房东账都结清了,新房客紧跟着要入住了,答应帮搬家的那个车主A,在出发的前一天晚上九点打电话说,感觉脚不舒服,第二天不能跑长途~~我那个晕啊~~赶紧联系了第二个:B~~~第二天早上把所有行李都搬在House门口等B,他来后,看了我的行李,就说太多,他想想办法,马上回来,然后油门一踩,就不见了~~我这一等就四小时,打电话他也不接:flaming: :flaming: :flaming: :flaming: 不过还好,下午两点多终于联系上一个留学生搞搬运的,人不错,愿意当天走,最后到这已经半夜一两点了~~

PS: 只是不明白那个B怎么可能当他孩子的面就不守信用~~(那个B当时来接我搬家的时候,还带着他几岁的儿子)
 
我发现很多人(不只是同胞, 洋人也有)不会对人说NO, 也不会说Sorry. 其实, 如果遇见自己不想做的事情, 或者原本想做后来改主意的事情, 学会说这两个词, 可以不用东躲西藏的还害别人计划全乱.
 
楼主生气完全可以理解,上法庭就没有必要了.

我有一次在CFC上和一个要毕业回国的年轻学生Jeff...Sh...说好,买他几样东西,价钱都在QQH中谈定了,我在出发前还给他去了电话确认. 我开车15钟去到了后,发现已经有一个买主先到了,那买主先把其中一样买走了,我很不高兴,卖主也仅仅说SORRY等. 出尔反尔,这世界其实很小,一个人在一个地方做了不地道的事情,他即使换了地方,如果继续如法炮制的话,自然会在其他地方吃苦头.这样的例子太多了,由他去吧."他不知道他在干什么."
 
楼主消消气啦,没必要打官司,再说没凭没局的你也赢不了。

天下有好人有坏人,就当一次人身经历啦,有好多其他的事情可以做,不必为这种小事情钻牛角尖。

退一步海阔天空 :)
 
原来不只我一个人吃这样的亏啊!真是林子大了,什么样的鸟儿都有。

回想起打给他的几次电话,发现他可能从头到尾都在撒谎!
他说他知道我的电话号码,他会给我打的。奇怪的是,我根本没有说过我的电话号码,除非他的那个是手机或者有来电显示。但是这两个好像都不可能。因为最后一次打电话过去时,他说他在车上,这样说来,他的那个是手机。可是有一次打过去时,是一个女的接的电话。如果是手机的话,即使那个女的是他妻子,也不会随便就接他的手机吧。如果不是手机,那他说他在车上的话,不就是从根本上在骗人吗?
不知这人在真实生活中是不是也老这样骗人。楼上的朋友说的对,这样不讲信用的人在别的方面都这样的话,总有他吃苦头的一天。
“吃一堑,长一智。”以后再有这样的事情,一发现不对劲的地方,就不该再信任下去了。
 
最初由 叶子扬扬 发布
原来不只我一个人吃这样的亏啊!真是林子大了,什么样的鸟儿都有。

回想起打给他的几次电话,发现他可能从头到尾都在撒谎!
他说他知道我的电话号码,他会给我打的。奇怪的是,我根本没有说过我的电话号码,除非他的那个是手机或者有来电显示。但是这两个好像都不可能。因为最后一次打电话过去时,他说他在车上,这样说来,他的那个是手机。可是有一次打过去时,是一个女的接的电话。如果是手机的话,即使那个女的是他妻子,也不会随便就接他的手机吧。如果不是手机,那他说他在车上的话,不就是从根本上在骗人吗?
不知这人在真实生活中是不是也老这样骗人。楼上的朋友说的对,这样不讲信用的人在别的方面都这样的话,总有他吃苦头的一天。
“吃一堑,长一智。”以后再有这样的事情,一发现不对劲的地方,就不该再信任下去了。

I too hate this kind of people. He is not a serious person by himself, true.

But why do you think you have 吃这样的亏? Why do you believe 他可能从头到尾都在撒谎/骗人? He had no reason to 撒谎/骗人 in this matter, I guess.

You took this too serious and too personal.

“吃一堑,长一智。” I applause this approach. Hope you'd soon forget about this and enjoy your time.

Relax and have a nice weekend!
 
最初由 ccc 发布


I too hate this kind of people. He is not a serious person by himself, true.

But why do you think you have 吃这样的亏? Why do you believe 他可能从头到尾都在撒谎/骗人? He had no reason to 撒谎/骗人 in this matter, I guess.

You took this too serious and too personal.

“吃一堑,长一智。” I applause this approach. Hope you'd soon forget about this and enjoy your time.

Relax and have a nice weekend!

楼上的LostRabbit和L.Y.Y 不都说了他们也有这样的遭遇吗?我们都遇到了不讲信用的人,所以我说“吃这样的亏”。我说“他可能从头到尾都在撒谎/骗人”,是因为他说的什么查了天气预报再给我打电话啦,知道我的电话号码啦,回家后给我打电话啦,都是假的,那不是撒谎是什么?他答应了我要去的,可是却一再推托,多次食言,所以我才认为其实他根本不想carpool去阿岗昆了,他在从头到尾地骗我。
不管怎样,我也希望自己早点忘记这个可恶的人和这件可气的事,但愿不要再碰上这样的人和事了。
 
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