自由党下台了，要大选了，大家想选谁？

[cvictor]

5年减掉2%的GST。比通货膨胀率低多了，远远不够，2年减掉全部的GST还差不多。---- 保守党真会蒙人。
应该减掉15%销售税。可以提高人们购买力和降低企业的成本。

 

[fuzzy]

最初由 lifeisfun 发布


I won't complain if there is less service as long as I get some of my tax money back, as I can use these money to buy the service I want.
For example, I won't mind paying user fee for seeing a doctor as long as I don't have to wait for such a long time. I won't mind paying fees for going swimming and skating in the city as long as they don't raise my property tax year by year. I am not fooled by such idiot
thoughts that everyhing in this country is free, as by looking at my payroll, I understand that I am ripped off by this government.

come on, how much you can save on 2% of the GST cut? couple hundred dollar a year? or not even. paying for all the service will end up paying much more. The n you will complain all the service company ripping you off. You can pay to see a doctor just cross the board. But do you understand how much that will cost you?

 

[lifeisfun]

最初由 fuzzy 发布


come on, how much you can save on 2% of the GST cut? couple hundred dollar a year? or not even. paying for all the service will end up paying much more. The n you will complain all the service company ripping you off. You can pay to see a doctor just cross the board. But do you understand how much that will cost you?

I am not just talking about this 2% GST cut. I am talking small government in general which leads to more tax cut. If including all tax (income tax, GST/PST, property tax, gas tax), we are taxed almost 50% in Canada. So there are lots of room for tax cut.

Don't tell me like: You can pay to see a doctor just cross the board. Sure, then I would like to tell you: give my money back and I can use that money to go to see doctor wherever I want. Now you already tax me to death, but still keep me wait for long time for medical treatment, that's not tolerable.

It's the typical excuse for those who don't want to touch the medicare system. There are many types of medicare in the world and we don't have to just follow US style. But you have to be willing to do something about it to start with, otherwise, like Titanic, this country will sink with it.

 

[fuzzy]

最初由 lifeisfun 发布


I am not just talking about this 2% GST cut. I am talking small government in general which leads to more tax cut. If including all tax (income tax, GST/PST, property tax, gas tax), we are taxed almost 50% in Canada. So there are lots of room for tax cut.

You think conservative will bring you that? Be realistic man！Where does all the government operation money come from? Steven even wanted go to Iraq during last election. See how many deficit Bush brough to states. Conversative does not know how to improve economic. They can't do simply math, lol. What can you expect from them? From surplus to dificit? Follow Bush going to the war?

 

[hxp417]

大家讨论得很好, 继续进行...

插几句:
1. 号召华人内部统一口径, 统一投票的做法似乎是幼稚的, 至少很难行得通.

2. 说这两届美国政府的外交政策很失败, 似乎为时尚早, 不要你看这个人很讨厌, 就说这个人很失败. 就比如小布什吧, 人人骂, 天天骂, 顿顿骂, 众口一词地骂, 大傻, 呆瓜, 弱智.... 等等, 似乎是个大错误, 必须立即换人, 但是人家居然还竞选连任了, 而且, 去年的计票是比较明确的, 不象2000年那时争议颇大.

3. 算计个人能节省多少税, 或者是觉得谁对咱好, 谁对咱不那么亲... 等等. 个人认为这些事情都是鸡毛蒜皮, 算计这些, 属于是"小女人心思", "妇人之见", 按照这个路子考虑问题, 最终都是给人领着走, 被人耍着玩的结果.

女人特别容易被商家的减价促销活动所吸引. 各党派台面上的很多许诺口号, 其实都是商家的大减价大促销, 根本就不用考虑这些东西, 更不用听了就拿出计算器来按, 买的没有卖的精, 这是铁的规律.

看问题要看大局, 看本质.

 

[aruba]

你有没头脑？通货膨胀与减不减2%GST有啥关系？不减GST难道就不通胀吗？难道销售税中的PST也是联邦能说的算的吗？

最初由 cvictor 发布
5年减掉2%的GST。比通货膨胀率低多了，远远不够，2年减掉全部的GST还差不多。---- 保守党真会蒙人。
应该减掉15%销售税。可以提高人们购买力和降低企业的成本。

 

[aruba]

有道理。支持保守党。
赞成保守党的传统价值观 -- 反同性婚姻和反大麻合法化。

最初由 chieftain 发布


GST也好，个人所得税也罢，说穿了，政府要运作，要发福利，靠的就是纳税人的税款。不从GST上出，就要从个人所得税上出。政府赤字，说明政府税收相对于支出少，政府盈利，说明政府税收相对于支出多。

保守党相对于自由党来说，是奉行“小政府，低福利”政策。从这点上说，保守党政府的支出将比较小。而自由党不是印钞机，它的“大政府，告福利”政策，最终要靠纳税人的税款。

 

[cvictor]

最初由 aruba 发布
你有没头脑？通货膨胀与减不减2%GST有啥关系？不减GST难道就不通胀吗？难道销售税中的PST也是联邦能说的算的吗？

说的是减2%太少。每年才0.4%,比通货膨胀2%低多了。

 

[毛王叉]

最初由 cvictor 发布
5年减掉2%的GST。比通货膨胀率低多了，远远不够，2年减掉全部的GST还差不多。---- 保守党真会蒙人。
应该减掉15%销售税。可以提高人们购买力和降低企业的成本。

Tax cut will help a lot not only for tax payers but also for companies. I do beleive government will benefit from it too.

 

[mooncake]

最初由 cvictor 发布

说的是减2%太少。每年才0.4%,比通货膨胀2%低多了。

呵呵，通胀每年3%左右，5年后不用GST/PST,15年后不用交income tax?25年后倒贴income tax?

 

[cvictor]

最初由 mooncake 发布

呵呵，通胀每年3%左右，5年后不用GST/PST,15年后不用交income tax?25年后倒贴income tax?

是啊，这里的长期拿WAREFARE的人现在就倒贴income 。如果仅仅是倒贴tax那到是好了。

 

[wushuren]

1，这次也许要选火星叔叔马丁了。干脆下次大家选地球联盟党算了，假如四年以后真的有了那么个牛克思主义的政党。不是要换换吗？
2，如果要消减项目和减少福利，必然裁减政府人员。政府增加开支曾经对稳定加拿大经济立下汗马功劳，换和了高科技衰退。不知道哈勃太空望远镜如何对付政府人员的工会和罢工?不了了之吗？还是去探索宇宙奥秘巴。

要是地球联盟党EUP，那就是政改，初级和中级资格行政官资格人作为政府公务员，全民选拔人人平等，接受人才选拔和纪律约束委员会的约束，提高效率，作为平民爵位，享受荣誉和优厚待遇，但是作为民众先锋队，必然要求严格。

 

[lifeisfun]

最初由 fuzzy 发布


You think conservative will bring you that? Be realistic man！Where does all the government operation money come from? Steven even wanted go to Iraq during last election. See how many deficit Bush brough to states. Conversative does not know how to improve economic. They can't do simply math, lol. What can you expect from them? From surplus to dificit? Follow Bush going to the war?

I don't know if conservative will bring me that. But I am pretty sure that liberal and NDP won't. So I would like to give conservative a chance to show me.

Bush is not what I going to vote for. I don't know if conservative will improve economic or not, but I know that reducing tax is good for the economic. That's not what conservative said, it's acknowledged by many economists.

Yes, liberal is very good at math. They know how to tax you more, increse your EI premium, not to reduce gas tax even when the gas price is so high that everyone is suffering. Then before the election, they will use your money to buy your vote. They also know how to transfer the money through some companies back into their pocket or the pocket of the liberal party.

I like to vote conservative this time and if consevative party won't do what I like, I won't vote for them next time. Not like you, who knows liberal is stealing your money and taxing you to death, but still vote for it. Or maybe you are just one of those bureaucracy who benefit for a large government.