自由党下台了，要大选了，大家想选谁？

[xjl]

支持哈勃减更多的税

 

[hello123]

最初由 xjl 发布
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What make you think Conservative is going to reduce tax for you? More likely they will reduce tax for the rich, and add more tax to the middle class.

 

[lifeisfun]

最初由 cvictor 发布

1。你说温哥华多伦多象上海香港，所以给你看看2002年22万移民中，只有3万多中国人，你还要什么BALANCE？

But don't forget that in the last 15 years, immigrants from Mainland, HongKong and Taiwan has been the number one among other countries, and you can tell me how many in total. Also immigrants from Asia tends to stay in big cities like Toronto and Vancouver. Vancouver and Toronto each has more than 300,000 Chinese immigrants (from Hong Kong, Taiwan and mainland) alone, not even including people from other Asian countries. I said balanced is not just for Chinese immigrants.

2。亚洲移民[Chinese + Indian + Pakistan + Philippine, Vietnamin +。。。]是否超过50%，你可以figure out ？

You should figure out by yourself. What I know is in top 10 immigrantion countries in last 10 years, only one or two are not Asian countries.

3。欧洲人美国人不要签证呆在加拿大有多少，你知道吗？他们有的还是‘季节工’，你清楚吗？

That's another issue.

 

[wushuren]

EUP，地球联盟党，不但支持移民，而且要让中国文化进入主流文化，学校里面教《论语》，《三字经》。在法律为王，宪政民主自由的背景下，对儒家思想和中国文化进行重新解释和剔除糟粕。西方发达国家是政教分离的，不允许宗教影响教育，可儒家思想不是宗教，而是人文思想，不应该被基督教，天主教，伊斯兰教排斥，也不会影响政教分离的政策。进而在共同的人文思想下，统合宗教纷争和种族纷争。孔孟，老子从来就不是先知和神。而上帝很清楚地说过，他把地上的一切掌管交给了人。以儒学为领袖的中华文明造就了中国人的勤奋特质，那么它也一定能让任何种族的人都具有勤奋的素质，重视教育的素质，不论是非洲来的难民还是各国的移民。如果社会上的人是勤奋的，那么就不存在养懒人的问题，收的税都是用来正当使用，发展社会福利教育，创造公平的竞争环境，扶助老弱病残。关于没有腐败，那就要进一步发展民主制度，用更新细胞来维持系统健康和强大的民主监督来让官员不敢腐败，而不是更换政党集团。如果制度存在缺陷，换上的那个政党集团也会出现腐败，就好像每个王朝也都是因为腐败崩溃，然后下台。这也必然造成造成民主社会里面政策的动荡，建设的浪费和内耗。如新加坡和香港的清廉政治，并不需要由更换政党集团来完成，但是香港新加坡的制度有缺陷，只适合于小的地区。

 

[wushuren]

关心民主政治，建设自己的家园，平和讨论，
老大应该把此贴加精

 

[chieftain]

最初由 smiling 发布

你这就属于抬杠了，加拿大吸收“技术“移民的标准是什么？

Skilled workers have education, work experience, knowledge of English and/or French and other abilities that will help them to establish themselves successfully as permanent residents in Canada.

你说对了，技术移民的标准不是比Diploma，更不是应试教育培养出来的考试枪手们让世界叹为观止的TOEFL成绩

最初由 smiling 发布

我是反驳所谓亚洲移民太多的问题，历史往往会重复，你最好不要伤口好了（？？）就忘了疼。

你如果整天撕扯过去的伤口，不但伤口愈合不了，还会因此失去未来。

 

[ccc]

最初由 xjl 发布
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The GST was first introduced by the Mulroney PC government when they had placed Canada deep in red.

 

[chieftain]

最初由 ccc 发布


The GST was first introduced by the Malroney PC government when they had placed Canada deep in red.

GST也好，个人所得税也罢，说穿了，政府要运作，要发福利，靠的就是纳税人的税款。不从GST上出，就要从个人所得税上出。政府赤字，说明政府税收相对于支出少，政府盈利，说明政府税收相对于支出多。

保守党相对于自由党来说，是奉行“小政府，低福利”政策。从这点上说，保守党政府的支出将比较小。而自由党不是印钞机，它的“大政府，告福利”政策，最终要靠纳税人的税款。

 

[wushuren]

最初由 chieftain 发布


你如果整天撕扯过去的伤口，不但伤口愈合不了，还会因此失去未来。

回头换个话题扯扯中国过去的伤口。

 

[wushuren]

最初由 chieftain 发布


GST也好，个人所得税也罢，说穿了，政府要运作，要发福利，靠的就是纳税人的税款。不从GST上出，就要从个人所得税上出。政府赤字，说明政府税收相对于支出少，政府盈利，说明政府税收相对于支出多。

保守党相对于自由党来说，是奉行“小政府，低福利”政策。从这点上说，保守党政府的支出将比较小。而自由党不是印钞机，它的“大政府，告福利”政策，最终要靠纳税人的税款。

政府赤字，说明当时政府的经济和管理政策，贸易政策有问题，才造成了收支不平衡，并不完全是增税和减税的问题。也就是说奉行的政策和操作的水平还是有差距的。不能因为他口头的政策就说他肯定就能做到小政府，低福利。否则这么个小政府低福利的政党在台上的时候怎么会增加了个GST尼？开流和节源是一对平衡，都反映了操作水平而不是竞选的时候的口头水平。为此，牛克思主义者在这里可以比哪个党说得都好听。

 

[lifeisfun]

最初由 ccc 发布


The GST was first introduced by the Malroney PC government when they had placed Canada deep in red.

The GST was indeed first introduced by PC governement. But before that there was hidden tax on goods made in Canada. They make it visible so that the Canada made goods could be more competitive in global market (as people in other countries don't have to pay this tax).

Personally I perfer it's hidden as it then only applies to new goods. Now GST is applied to everything except food. For example, if you buy a new car, you pay GST, which is fine, but when you buy a used car, you still have to pay GST, which is ridiculous.

 

[lifeisfun]

最初由 wushuren 发布


政府赤字，说明当时政府的经济和管理政策，贸易政策有问题，才造成了收支不平衡，并不完全是增税和减税的问题。也就是说奉行的政策和操作的水平还是有差距的。不能因为他口头的政策就说他肯定就能做到小政府，低福利。否则这么个小政府低福利的政党在台上的时候怎么会增加了个GST尼？开流和节源是一对平衡，都反映了操作水平而不是竞选的时候的口头水平。为此，牛克思主义者在这里可以比哪个党说得都好听。

But one thing is clear to me: Better spend your own money by yourself, not someone else spend it on your behalf. And the only solution for this is a small government. For sure, that will cause some social problems. But in the long run, it will make people to have more motivation in making money.

The other aspect as you mentioned, is that only those kept their promise should be elected, and those not do so should be punished, like our Ontario premier.

 

[lifeisfun]

最初由 haoren1 发布
For the sake of humor, let me try to use your simple method of analysis and ask you this. Why has the Libral party been in power in Canada for more than 10 years? Canada was near bancrupcy under the conservative party before the Librals came in power. Now, after 10 years, Canadians are enjoying one of the best economies in the world. Ottawa has the most hi-tech companies in Canada. Does this kind of reasoning fit your frame of mind?

Well, I voted for liberal in 90's also. But they have been in power for last 12 years cann't justify they should stay on forever and the scandals exposed lately just show that they are getting corrupted, which didn't mean they get corrupted in 1993 when they were first elected. I won't vote for them this time also doesn't mean I won't vote for them next time. I just feel that based on the facts, there should be a change.

Sure they are ok in managing the deficit. But don't you see other aspects of this country are deteriorate such as long waiting time for medical treatment, and scandal money flowing to liberal party itself.

I don't feel that Ottawa having lots of hi-tech companies should be attributed to liberal. What I know that Calgary is also becoming a hi-tech center from zero under conservative government, while for comparion, Vancouver has not done so well under the NDP government.

 

[wushuren]

最初由 lifeisfun 发布


But one thing is clear to me: Better spend your own money by yourself, not someone else spend it on your behalf. And the only solution for this is a small government. For sure, that will cause some social problems. But in the long run, it will make people to have more motivation in making money.

The other aspect as you mentioned, is that only those kept their promise should be elected, and those not do so should be punished, like our Ontario premier.

对牛克思主义者来说，社会和世界的问题都要从社会的基础，人文，文明文化的角度寻求解决，而不是排斥多元化。也不是高呼回归加拿大的家庭传统价值，也不是不顾现有民主体制的适应性，学习赵括同志纸上作业然后到处用兵，浪费银子引火烧身，也不是空喊一个小政府减少税收的理想。欲穷千里目更上一层楼，扬汤止沸不如釜底抽薪。到了台上的政客往往不能兑现它们的诺言是有原因的，因为在竞选的时候拉拢选民必须口号漂亮，而实际操作中由于操作水平，底层的政策操作，造成根本达不到，当年保守党政府身为自己标榜的小政府少税收，却赤字高悬，却增加了GST，就是一个很好的例证。逃不过那双躲在屏幕后的眼睛，这招没用，抢不到选票。前面早就说过了。

（看一看，牛克思主义者白虎的好像还可以）

 

[ccc]

最初由 lifeisfun 发布


The GST was indeed first introduced by PC governement. But before that there was hidden tax on goods made in Canada. They make it visible so that the Canada made goods could be more competitive in global market (as people in other countries don't have to pay this tax).

Personally I perfer it's hidden as it then only applies to new goods. Now GST is applied to everything except food. For example, if you buy a new car, you pay GST, which is fine, but when you buy a used car, you still have to pay GST, which is ridiculous.

The Goods and Services Tax (GST) was meant to replace the Manufacturers' Sales Tax (MST) that the federal government imposed at the wholesale level on manufactured goods.

The GST is a multi-level sales tax introduced in 1991 by Prime Minister Brian Mulroney. It operates in many respects like the value-added taxes found in Europe. The introduction of the GST was very controversial, and, in the subsequent general election, it was a contributing factor to the biggest defeat of a federal governing party in Canadian history.

While it is similar to European value-added taxes, the GST was more directly modelled on a similarly named tax in New Zealand.

The tax is a 7% charge on the sale of all goods and services, except certain essentials such as food, residential rent, and medical services, and certain services such as financial services.

Tax-free items include basic groceries, prescription drugs and medical devices.

Tax-exempt items include residential rents, health and dental care, educational services, day-care services, legal aid services and financial services. Exported goods are exempt.

Individuals with low incomes can receive a GST rebate calculated in conjunction with their income tax.

For details, see:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goods_and_Services_Tax_(Canada)