反正无论对华人怎样，他们都会投我们自由党的票

[Michel]

About the head tax, I think we have to realize that there is a fundamental difference between that and the internment of the Japanese during WWII. The head tax was levied according to a law passed by a democratically-elected Canadian government. The Chinese immigrants of the time fully realized that it existed and paid it willingly when they came here. The tax was racist and morally wrong, but it was perfectly legal.

However, the Japanese interned during WWII were Canadian citizens and yet they were sent to internment camps because they were suspected to be spies purely due to their race, despite the fact that they were all Canadians by citizenship. Guilty by suspicion is wrong to begin with and suspecting someone to be a criminal purely by race is even worse.

 

[Awaken]

自由党该下台了！(ZT)
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万沐

加拿大联邦政府在自由党执政后，对外无所作为，对内缺乏系统治国方略，为了连续执政,许多政策给人一种零乱且穷于应付的感觉。甚至，一些政策举措已显现出严重的副面效应，屡遭朝野诟病。最近三党关于提前大选的联合动议，又使自由党的联邦执政地位受到严重挑战，也成为目前的焦点话题，我期待加拿大联邦政府能在近期实现执政轮替。

先说自由党对外关系处置失当的问题。自由党政府对外只以经济利益为要务，仅扮演经济大国的角色, 而对加拿大立国的精神,如人权、民主、自由等，处处弱化。尤其表现在与自由世界的关系上，不仅否决北美导弹防御系统，而且对西方民主国家在全球推行的自由、民主行动袖手旁观，面对一些邪恶政权亡顾左右而言他，使加拿大完全降格为一个二流国家。自由党政府要为加国立国精神的堕落负起应有的责任。 ＜ r o l i a. n e t ＞

其次、大搞民粹主义，破坏加拿大的传统价值。自由党政府为了选举，率先在加国通过了同性婚姻法案，使加拿大以至人类基本的道德观念受到了严重冲击。婚姻家庭作为社会的基本细胞,对人类社会道德风尚的传承与培养，有无法替代的作用，如果此基础遭到制度性的破坏,接下来由于人们观念的混乱，方方面面的冲击将接踵而来,仅就婚姻一隅而言,如果人要和动物结婚,父女要结婚,母子要结婚……我不知自由党政府有何高招?如果没有什么好的解决方法,那我要说,请自由党下台吧!

还有失败的移民政策,也给加拿大的社会和谐和国际形象带来了危机。近年来加拿大享有"犯罪分子天堂"的美誉，我们知道"911"的恐怖分子有许多就是通过彩虹桥去美国的。加国和美国唇齿相依,如此移民政策，这不仅有于邻为壑之嫌,即从自身的利益讲,难道联邦政府不怕门前起火,殃及池鱼吗?另外,移民政策对华人技术移民来讲（其他族裔的情况我了解不够）,也带有政府欺骗之嫌,华人在移民前被认定的专业技术身份,来加国后即全部作废,任其自生自灭，使很多学有专长的专业人才沦为苦力,这不仅是对华人移民的严重不公,对整个世界的人才资源也是严重浪费.
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第四、在选择总督问题上有明显失误，严重影响了加国的社会形象。加国元首虽无实权，但极有象征意义，对外用于提升加国形象，对内则可凝聚各种社会力量，事实上加国也不乏许多德高望重、在国内外都具有巨大影响且富有政治威望的人选，但自由党却在几周之内仓促选定了一个很难为各方接受的庄美楷，我要问，马田总理是在选国家元首，还是在选"陪衬人"，在国家元首的选用上都如此轻率，自由党政府还会在什么问题上认真负责？难道自由党的唯一目标就是为了执政吗?

如此等等，自由党长期执政, 招数已经用尽,老百姓实在不敢再对自由党政府抱多少幻想了!

万沐 ＜ 相约加拿大 ROLIA.NET ＞
原载2005年11月18日发表于《环球华报》

 

[Michel]

'自由党政府为了选举，率先在加国通过了同性婚姻法案，使加拿大以至人类基本的道德观念受到了严重冲击。婚姻家庭作为社会的基本细胞,对人类社会道德风尚的传承与培养，有无法替代的作用，如果此基础遭到制度性的破坏,接下来由于人们观念的混乱，方方面面的冲击将接踵而来,仅就婚姻一隅而言,如果人要和动物结婚,父女要结婚,母子要结婚……'

This is a bit far-fetched.

 

[chieftain]

最初由 Michel 发布
About the head tax, I think we have to realize that there is a fundamental difference between that and the internment of the Japanese during WWII. The head tax was levied according to a law passed by a democratically-elected Canadian government. The Chinese immigrants of the time fully realized that it existed and paid it willingly when they came here. The tax was racist and morally wrong, but it was perfectly legal.

However, the Japanese interned during WWII were Canadian citizens and yet they were sent to internment camps because they were suspected to be spies purely due to their race, despite the fact that they were all Canadians by citizenship. Guilty by suspicion is wrong to begin with and suspecting someone to be a criminal purely by race is even worse.

 

[buli]

最初由 Tony138 发布
反正无论对华人怎样，他们都会投我们自由党的票，我们自由党又何必对华人好？

Very well said!

选民所选的党派并不是最有可能当选的那个, 也不是最有能力的那个, 而是代表自己团体利益的那个.

我是新移民, 不是人头税的直接受害者, 也未领过社会福利. 但我要选NDP,因为她许诺在人头税问题上还华人一个公道.为这个,我宁可多交税.

如果所有的华人都能表明自己的立场,自由党又如何能不care?自由党会坐视华人选票流向NDP? 自由党最善用的手段是掏纳税人的腰包为自己拉选票.

 

[如假包换的马甲]

最初由 Michel 发布
About the head tax, I think we have to realize that there is a fundamental difference between that and the internment of the Japanese during WWII. The head tax was levied according to a law passed by a democratically-elected Canadian government. The Chinese immigrants of the time fully realized that it existed and paid it willingly when they came here. The tax was racist and morally wrong, but it was perfectly legal.

However, the Japanese interned during WWII were Canadian citizens and yet they were sent to internment camps because they were suspected to be spies purely due to their race, despite the fact that they were all Canadians by citizenship. Guilty by suspicion is wrong to begin with and suspecting someone to be a criminal purely by race is even worse.

The internment of the Japanese was passed by the War Measures Act,(I assume you know what an act is?)

1946 Dec. The Privy Council upholds a Supreme Court Decision that the deportation orders are legal.

They were all Perfectly legal!They were all passed by democratically-elected Canadian government!!! You couldn't get more legal than that!

Do you know anything at all about history? Do you know anything at all about laws and acts? Apparently, you don't! and yet, you had the audacity to talk about "there is a fundamental difference", so much so for that! aren't you embarrassed??? You are totally despicable!

So, Could you just shut up? and deal with your low self-esteem of being a Chinese and IQ problems first? Pathetic!

Talk about worse! Talk about comparison!
When the Canadian sent the Japanese to camps, confiscated their properties, on the other sides of the pacific rim, a few years earlier,the Japanese was massacreing civilian and raping women. granted, these Japanese had nothing to do with those Japanese, but since you like comprison and you like to talk about which is worse, how is this for comparison?

 

[Awaken]

STEVEN HAPPER 重申为人头税向CHINESE道歉!

Harper reiterates call for Chinese head tax apology
04 January 2006
TORONTO - In a campaign speech outlining his party’s position on immigration, Conservative leader Stephen Harper reiterated his support for an apology for the Chinese Head Tax and Exclusion Act.
In speaking to an audience largely made up of new Canadians, Harper said:
“It is tough to immigrate to Canada and it will probably never be easy. In the past it was harder, sometimes unjustifiably unfair. That’s why, for example, our Chinese Canadian community deserves an apology for the Head Tax and appropriate acknowledgement and redress of that wrong.”
On December 8, 2005, Harper issued a statement in which he said, “The Conservative Party has long recognized the terrible historical wrong of the Chinese head tax. It is time for Parliament and the Government of Canada to recognize this grave injustice, and to apologize for it.”
( Statement by Stephen Harper on Chinese head tax redress)
Recent media reports indicate that Liberal ministers such as David Emerson and Ujjal Dosanjh are running against their own government’s refusal to issue an apology for the Chinese head tax, while Paul Martin and Multiculturalism Minister Raymond Chan continue to support the government’s controversial position on the issue.
“This is yet another example of Liberals now running against their own record,” said Conservative campaign co-chair John Reynolds. “This is a clear sign of a government in panic mode, with ministers starting to contradict the official government position."
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For more information: Conservative Party Press Office (613) 755-2191

 

[Awaken]

马田仍拒绝人头税个人赔偿

现任总理马田与3名联邦内阁部长已经表示就人头税及排华法道歉，但马田仍然坚持不会对人头税苦主作出个人赔偿，一些人头税苦主的家属表示不能接受。

平权会理事周明辉指出，总理马田在周二发表的个人道歉是不够的，平权会要求联邦政府要对人头税苦主作出象征性最少2,300万元退款，以及在国会上为人头税及排华法公开道歉。平权会等社团呼吁选民在投票选举新任国会议员时要考虑候选人对平反人头税及排华法的立场。

 

[Tony138]

平权会等社团呼吁选民在投票选举新任国会议员时要考虑候选人对平反人头税及排华法的立场。

【多伦多信息港】多伦多信息港（记者韦恩报道）：1月5日，平权会促请马田为在加国历史上实施了62年歧视性人头税及排华法，在国会公开向华裔道歉。

据报道，平权会理事周明辉指出，马田在周二发表的个人道歉是不足够的。他表示，“总理马田需在国会上为人头税及排华法案苦主做出道歉”。

周明辉指出，总理马田应为平反人头税及排华法订出一个时间表，还华裔应有的公正、荣誉及尊严的公道。他表示，平权会要求联邦政府要对人头税苦主做出最少2,300万元退款，并在国会上为人头税及排华法公开道歉。

但马田仍坚持不会对人头税苦主作个人赔偿，一些人头税苦主的家属表示不能接受。平权会等社团呼吁选民在投票选举新任国会议员时要考虑候选人对平反人头税及排华法的立场。
1月5日，加拿大总理马田在接受一家中文媒体电话采访时承认，过去的加政府歧视华人政策是错误的，应该杜绝此类事件的再次发生。当媒体问及联邦政府会否就“人头税”问题做出公开道歉时，马田说：“我道歉。”这是加拿大总理历史上首次在公开场合就此问题向过去受到不平等待遇的华人社区作正式道歉。

 

[Tony138]

道歉是否具诚意？

一直致力争取日本对华道歉和赔偿的卑诗省史维会主席列国远认为，马田的道歉与日本历任首相的所作所为完全一样。为什幺小泉老是抱怨日本政府已经就战争道歉了24次，人们仍觉得日本没有悔罪的诚意呢？列国远指出，这是因为日本一直拒绝在国会上就战争罪行作出正式的道歉，这充分表明日本的认错缺乏诚意，只是敷衍行为。列国远觉得马田这次道歉犯了与日本政客同样的错误，首先，总理只在一家中文媒体的节目中表态，而不是面对所有的中英文媒体作出道歉，就显出其诚意相当不足。难怪整天跟随总理竞选巴士的英文传媒记者对此大表不满。

 

[Tony138]

马田用自问自答的方式作出“真情剖白”

李溢律师留意到有关报章的报道细节，根据有关媒体报道，在接受中文电台李洁芝近10分钟的访问中，总理在最后临时允许再问一条问题，并表明是“人头税”的问题。在节目中，马田用自问自答的方式作出“真情剖白”。

李溢指出，如果相关报道属实，那就是马田经过精心安排的，既希望用此一方式取悦想得到政府道歉的华裔选民，又刻意留下一个问号和未知数。他分析道，总理自问自答，以最后一条问题的方式不让李洁芝作出跟进，而往后几天也刻意回避记者的提问，显然是他精心策划的巧妙之局。目的是满足选战的需要，并非诚心道歉。李溢又提到，马田故意回避英文媒体，可能害怕此一消息在主流社区产生对自由党不利的反应，失去的票数反而不及在华人社区中争取回来的支持。

 

[Tony138]

代表个人或政府？

曾经参与争取“人头税”平反的陶永强律师则认为，从马田说出此番话的环境来看，似乎是总理个人的意见。陶永强说，当时马田是被李洁芝引导谈及“人头税”问题，不是有计划地宣布政府的政策，更象是有感而发，发表自己对历史不公事件的个人观点。所以，马田用“我”为主语，“当然，这是一个有影响力的个人立场”，陶永强说，不能将总理所讲的每一句话都等同于政府的政策。

 

[Tony138]

道歉事件的启示

时事评论员姚永安表示，经此一役，华人社区看到了一个新的景象，就是华人社群的成熟与及中文传媒的进步。透过一次又一次的电台、电视热线节目及报刊的言论版面，听到华裔市民并没有因为华人部长和侨社组织支持协议而认同政府不符公义的“平反”。他认为，虽然英文传媒也有不少报导人头税的新闻，但中文传媒无论在发掘新闻和报导的水准都比英文传媒高和站得更前。此外，不同社区活跃人士在关键时刻，纷纷挺身而出，与传媒一起带动群众了解事情，发掘真相，令这项协议从原则，内容和推动上的种种不公和错失都暴露出来，最终导致连总理也要折腰。


刘恒信认为，这次事件也告诉平时不关心国事的华裔，“我们的声音是有影响力的”，关键是要充分运用加拿大的民主权力，而这个权力就是选票。“过了选举期间，我们说什幺都不会有人听的，”刘恒信除了呼吁华裔选民积极出来投票外，还建议选民采取策略投票的方式，发挥手中选票的影响力。而不应该停留在中国人选中国人的层面上。

 

[Tony138]

如果我们不争取，任何党执政，都会忽略我们的权益

全加华人协进会创会会长王裕佳在接受华文媒体采访时指出，现在是公平解决加拿大华人人头税问题百年一遇的最佳时机。王裕佳表示，人头税成为大选议题、联邦政府是少数政府，以及华人社区政治意识愈趋成熟，都是造就最佳时机的因素。王裕佳说，整个华人社区的政治醒觉性提高了，也明白这个道理：“如果我们不争取，任何党执政，都会忽略我们的权益。”

王裕佳又强调，无论哪个政党在大选中当选都不是问题，他也不是想鼓励华裔选民只以人头税的单一议题作为投票指引；但他希望华人社区可向政党传达一个讯息就是，任何一个党都不可当华人的支持是奉旨行事：“最重要是每一个选民，认识清楚议题，告诉政要，我今天选你，不等于我将来会选你，这是最重要的讯息，否则他们就会当我们是理所当然。”

 

[如假包换的马甲]

最初由 功夫 发布
一个说话不兑现的party, 而无论对华人好还是坏，咱也不会投票

那个party说过的话都兑现？