I give up
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No man, it was because your BS about the 2 h staff Auora got, and ya with that attitude, I called it off on vent. Nothing was ever your responsibility.
Seriously, dude, GL with w/e.. you said it youself that you wont join any guild, and now you r asking stila to help you get in PP.. just one example of so many things you have said best optino for you now is to keep quiet for a while till ppl forget about who linas is.
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lol, get jokes plz. I'm not even on wow atm, nor did i apply to any guild, gesus
i talked about the unfairness in /o not in /raid or /g. That does not provent us from finishing hakkar. the 3 wipes at sons of hakkar has nothing to do with me - i didn't pull them.
seriously, if you've faith in apollo, go on. I don't see the point of putting anymore effort into it.
GM-MT can't tank, and there isn't a war to replace him, GG.
Vig himself said he's mass recruiting to get the numbers going, then not use the noobs and pick the elites for raiding
lol man, why don't you just tell that to your members who's been lied on and not depended on. Or how about the fact Vig himself calls his fellow tanks "noobs" who can't tank. lol, you know one side of the man being GM, not the other.
He told me he wanted to demote Alyx and Erees cuz they weren't doing much, and finally - he found a "reason" to smoke erees from officer to gospel. lol, you just fail to see the dark side of things.
You have skills and dedication, but look yourself. There has been no progress so far and GM fails to listen at any and all constructive comments. First reaction he gives is always "you don't understand".
ppl have been here long enough to understand.it's a one man's show and it ain't pretty. There's a reason why Auora/RIP/Kulro/Stila/Jasune/others have left - and if you ever pondered why our core team is leaving
you might find the answerdespite the fact he's been recruiting - they're basic inexperienced players. sure one day you will finish ZG - i'm sure you will, but that would take far longer than you'd imagine.
it's nothing to do with one person, but it's soemthing to do with being disappointed in the guild - and the guild is represented by its policies, the guidelines, the rules, the officers, and the people.
take some time to ponder
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lol, get jokes plz. I'm not even on wow atm, nor did i apply to any guild, gesus
i talked about the unfairness in /o not in /raid or /g. That does not provent us from finishing hakkar. the 3 wipes at sons of hakkar has nothing to do with me - i didn't pull them.
seriously, if you've faith in apollo, go on. I don't see the point of putting anymore effort into it.
GM-MT can't tank, and there isn't a war to replace him, GG.
Vig himself said he's mass recruiting to get the numbers going, then not use the noobs and pick the elites for raiding
lol man, why don't you just tell that to your members who's been lied on and not depended on. Or how about the fact Vig himself calls his fellow tanks "noobs" who can't tank. lol, you know one side of the man being GM, not the other.
He told me he wanted to demote Alyx and Erees cuz they weren't doing much, and finally - he found a "reason" to smoke erees from officer to gospel. lol, you just fail to see the dark side of things.
You have skills and dedication, but look yourself. There has been no progress so far and GM fails to listen at any and all constructive comments. First reaction he gives is always "you don't understand".
it's a one man's show and it ain't pretty. There's a reason why Auora/RIP/Kulro/Stila/Jasune/others have left - and if you ever pondered why our core team is leaving
despite the fact he's been recruiting - they're basic inexperienced players. sure one day you will finish ZG - i'm sure you will, but that would take far longer than you'd imagine.
it's nothing to do with one person, but it's soemthing to do with being disappointed in the guild - and the guild is represented by its policies, the guidelines, the rules, the officers, and the people.
take some time to ponder
Linas, perhaps it never occurred to you that YOU are the reason why some people decided to leave. It is you who needs time to "ponder" about things. You said that you see why Ones and others left guild, but knowing most of Ones in real life, their opinion on Vig or Apollo is quite a lot higher than that on you.
Apollo is not the best guild there is, and the leadership does not have previous experiences in managing a guild big as this - everyone should have an understanding of this fact in the beginning, as it is stated in the guild charter. However I know for a fact that the leaders are trying to keep this group friendly and tightly knitted together. So what if some of our members are inexperienced? How can Apollo get more experienced members when they are mostly in CD/PP or SUMA except training players itself? If you do not have the patience and feel that this is too slow for you, you are free to leave quietly, as Stila and Kulro or RIP has done before you. Doomed or whatnot is not for you to say, because you are no longer in the guild.
Yet I find that you lack the basic decency of staying quiet. You may call this "honesty" and think that you are morally superior than the rest of us because - well - you contributed some ideas/items to the guild, and feel bad for other members/officers who are "being used" and yet don't have to deal with the problem itself. However, to me it is nothing but blatant rudeness. You say GM fail to listen to any "constructive criticism", all I can say is that if this is the kind of contructive criticism you have been giving people then I am not the least bit surprised they are not taken seriously.
I'm not quite sure why you are always so angry and defensive that any criticism directed at your opinions are automatically treated as insults and must be responded to with agressive retorts that had made me think "What the hell is wrong with Linas today" numerous times. You are so persistent that you could simply hang on to a gripe with someone so long they simply leave guild to avoid you. You spend 2 hours arguing about a single loot in ZG that you think was misplaced and thus prevented 20 people from doing Hakkar - I wonder if the reason for the wipes at sons of hakkar is because of the distraction that you were so kindly providing. I find it funny that you talk about immaturity on guild forums and scold other players for being immature little brats while you yourself aren't acting much better than them. Hypocrite? I think so.
One more thing I have always wondered... do you consider Yi your friend? AT ALL? because friends don't go around shouting that "my friend sucks so much I can't tolerate him anymore OMG". I know that there have been negative feedbacks with Vig's tanking abilities, yet you are the only one that have written rants and post them on forums using largely exaggerated passages to voice your frustration because of one incident where things went wrong. Friends point out each other's mistakes. They dont ADVERTISE them for the purpose of making themselves superior.
Like I said, I'm pretty happy that you are not in guild anymore. Hopefully with you gone, guild could finally go somewhere since the core team doesn't have to spend so much time fixing things that you have broken with your irresponsible mouth.
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perhaps you should ask vig the countless number of people that left not because of me, but because of the shitty rules he made that ppl were unhappy with.
Perhaps you should read the officers forum more often, and read on what "constructive" comments there was, and see not just your side of the story.
How can apollo get more experienced player? Be capable and stop offering positions to noobs. Plz, I may be the only one voicing it out, but I'm not the only one who feels this way.
Consider him as a friend? Ha, for quite a long time I felt he didn't feel like I was his friend anyway. He looks at things from such a point of view - I am higher than you, outsmart you, outplay you, etc. Thus it is only fair that I don't treat you as such a friend either. Perhaps it is only true in the virtual world. Anyway
To cite you directly, I am not quite sure why Vig is always so angry and defensive that any criticism directed at his opinions, decisions or skills are immediately treated as a challenge to his being as a GM, that he must fight back with the following words countless number of times:
"I AM THE GM OF APOLLO"
"You don't know the situation"
To a point where Monanoke got pissed lol. How do you explain that?
Ask him to see if he's taken in any suggestions so far, lol
I thank you for pointing out as much as you understood in the situation. But, being soemone who doesn't even participate in any guild decisions, your comments holds no value against me. You do not know the things that goes beyond what you normally see in guild forums
I'm sorry, perhaps he will realize his mistakes only when everyone starts telling him how much he sucked. Maybe I'm wrong at advitising the fact he sucks. but, how else would I do it? I've offered chances of discussion, sent him e-mails with a friend's constructive criticism. Actually, I've never seen anything out of him that shows any sign of being guilty of doing something wrong in guild decisions (ie. driving ppl away by no pvp rule), or willingness to discuss about his tanking, or even take the least of the constructive comments. Heck, even I apologized at times and said I'll improve.
Again, the most he says is, you don't understand
Well I guess I don't. But, does he?
you are right, after thinking about it, maybe i shouldn't have just came all out and advertise a friend's faults. But, I doubt in this virtual world he treated me as a friend anyway. For a while I was confused with the fact that whether he took me as a friend cuz I received very different treatments from him in guild (when we started). Then I came to realize that he thinks RL and virtual world is different (that's what I understood from him). Therefore imo if he's all out against me, I'll just do some as well. Since it's all virtual anyway.
He said himself we're cool in RL, not in here. So I'm cool with that. As I've said earlier, despite the shit I've put up with, he's still livin with me, and depending on me to arrange all the arragements. So to be honest, I don't think you're looking at it from the right perspective.
Perhaps he should be sitting there to review things in the right way, and not be as stubborn as he was. RIP/Kulro/Auora/etc's leaving, (with one more leaving soon), excluding myself, apollo's core team, the experienced ones are gone. I bet you I didn't cause them to leave, but rather they were unsatisfied with the guild. Perhaps had Vig listen more to other officer's suggestions (many, many have made the same suggestions as I did yet never taken in), Apollo would've prosper more.
I wonder why Shazza is still there. He had quite some different view of the guild himself. Anyway, well, at least you got one left.
Feel free to blame it all on me. I don't give much of a shiet anyway. I'm so used to it with him blaming his faults on me. Anyway, we'll see how Apollo's fate turn out. It's fun to watch. For the last weeks I've nor used vent nor used /o nor talked in gchat or gave out orders. And the most fun and drama happened. Lol, blame me for it all
要说仁至义尽了，我对Yi也算仁至义尽了，在支持他的idea的情况下支持他，并且作为一个朋友在跟他不爽的时候完全可以把本来租给他的房子租出去。我没有并且原谅他。到目前为止他没有帮一点忙，一个谢字都没有，这件事情完全rely在我身上，那我是不是因该在觉得他不够兄弟的时候，明天move in的时候把他拒之门外？
反而他认为我不兄弟的时候就demote啊demote的，还扬言要踢我出去。无论谁的对错，第一他自己就没有给过constructive comment,第二作为朋友他是否过分？你考虑过么？不要因为说你跟他更近所以就替他说话。呵呵，想必你自己也足够偏心。你听过两面对证么？
作为一个斑竹你再没有听到双面事实的时候就去随便的谴责另外一个人，也算你的失职/考虑不周。朋友之间是可以有争执的，但是无论如何都不等于不是朋友。
btw, other than the fact that I've said he sux at tanking here, I didn't advertise to his guild. lol, I think I was quite nice about it and just made a good comparison between what he did, and what other do. since he thought of himself so godly at tanking, I just proved him otherwise and told him not to think he's a god.
nothing more.
