请教Ottawa 现在 IT工作好找吗?

[jyfamily]

有同胞对劝一劝的观点持不同意见的吗,好让我多一点信心?

最初由 劝一劝 发布
潜水多日观察这帖,忍不住冒出来说几句.LZ是身在福中不知福啊.我就以自己的教训再来权一劝.我本人UofCalgary的本科,UofOttawa的硕士,三年前毕业,三个一年的TERM JOB,从FINANCE CANADA,到INDUSTRY CANADA,再到REVENUE CANADA,在现如今保守党当政,政府精简的大环境下要转正,谈何容易.不得已,又返回CALGARY的德勤混了口饭吃,刚买的房子,房主二年前20万买进的,现在40万卖出,那可是一年十万,二年就翻番的买卖啊.我是真后悔当初呆在了OTTAWA的决定,悔的是肠子都青了.话又说回来,我还不算差的,好歹一直都有工作,LZ不妨对比我的条件,比我好,那是天高任鸟飞,跑哪都是个主,别但心.但如果不如我,劝你还是别来OTTAWA,我承认不如我的拿到好工作的有,但是这个机率很小,LZ若一定相信自己有这个大运,那就尽早去买649,这钱还来的轻松.你要说OTTAWA是加拿大的硅谷,这没错.但你是否还听说过KANTA是加拿大版的寡夫村?男的被LAYOFF后不得不抛家弃子,远走他乡.你若真因为会说几句法文,就以为来首都会很有天地,这又错了.加拿大说的法文和你在国内学的有很大口音,我可以很负责任的告诉你,你在刚来的半年里可能也就和我一样听的懂"笨猪"和"傻驴"了.说到天气,别说是你,就连东部的加拿大人也以为ALBERTA是冰柜,事实是CALGARY里冬天比OTTAWA暖和的多,CALGARY有CHINOOK,OTTAWA有的却是STORM.而凉爽的夏天更是OTTAWA所不敢想的.说了这么多,估计OTTAWA的朋友们要拍砖了.请见谅.毕竟OTTAWA的CFC网是最好的,加拿大没有任何城市有CFC这样的网能把全城的中国人都聚起来.只是LZ是要从CALGARY搬来,她若是从温哥华来OTTAWA,那我就要欢送了.

 

[Martin]

最初由 CXO 发布
3个term还没有留下来？
好像没听说term走人的？孤陋寡闻了。

有，听人说我们办公室这么几十年有过一个Term完了被迫走人的...

:lookaroun

 

[Beefburger]

最初由 CXO 发布
3个term还没有留下来？
好像没听说term走人的？孤陋寡闻了。
请教：permanent position 和 indeterminate position有什么区别？
多谢

:lookaroun :lookaroun

 

[Rabbit]

最初由 jyfamily 发布
有同胞对劝一劝的观点持不同意见的吗,好让我多一点信心?

不同意见不好说，到时这句话不敢苟同:

我承认不如我的拿到好工作的有,但是这个机率很小

 

[沙河粉]

最初由 CXO 发布
3个term还没有留下来？
好像没听说term走人的？孤陋寡闻了。
请教：permanent position 和 indeterminate position有什么区别？
多谢

Permanent position and indeterminate position mean the same thing.

Term position means your appointment has a start and end date.

Permanent position means your appointment only has a start date. Since the end date is not stated, that means your end date is indeterminate.

 

[CXO]

多谢,多谢
indeterminate position means the end date is indeterminate, not the position is indeterminate.
原来如此。

 

[Timothy's]

Want to say one thing.

If you are not Canadian citizen, federal government will not hire you even as term. Government will only give job to no citizen as consultant. But there are a cut in consultant budget, even the existing long term consultant, some of them worked for government more than 5 years are starting to lose job.
After 911 they raised the security clearance requirement, if you are in Canada less than 5 years, it is very hard to pass that.
Speaking French is good. But unless you pass government Bilingual test, you will not be considered bilingual. The bilingual positions will still close to you. The test itself is designed to fall no native Quebec French speakers (some of them told me, they will fall if they go to the test) and keep the jobs for French Canadian. Only people I saw passed are Anglophone born in Montréal.

 

[Martin]

最初由 Timothy's 发布
If you are not Canadian citizen, federal government will not hire you even as term. Government will only give job to no citizen as consultant.

Is this true?

By Federal Government, do you mean just Federal Departments or also including agencies, crown companies, etc.

If including all above, I don't think your statement is true everywhere.

 

[如假包换的马甲]

最初由 Timothy's 发布
Want to say one thing.
The test itself is designed to fall no native Quebec French speakers (some of them told me, they will fall if they go to the test) and keep the jobs for French Canadian. Only people I saw passed are Anglophone born in Montréal.

NO KIDDING!!!!????

Are you sure? Is this the same as those BBB/CCC stuff? I am thinking if I study hard, maybe I could get a BBB, then who am I kidding?


French is one reason Chinese could never move up the career ladder in the government

It's definitely clear even before you revealed this more daming information, that government jobs are for the French to take.

 

[如假包换的马甲]

最初由 Martin 发布


Is this true?

By Federal Government, do you mean just Federal Departments or also including agencies, crown companies, etc.

If including all above, I don't think your statement is true everywhere.

I think it's at least true for the Federal government

 

[Timothy's]

最初由 如假包换的马甲 发布



NO KIDDING!!!!????

Are you sure? Is this the same as those BBB/CCC stuff? I am thinking if I study hard, maybe I could get a BBB, then who am I kidding?


French is one reason Chinese could never move up the career ladder in the government

It's definitely clear even before you revealed this more daming information, that government jobs are for the French to take.

Yes it is the BBB/CCC stuff. And do you know even you pass BBB, you have to be retested every five years. If you fallyou will lose your position. This mean you have to keep study hard all your working life. BBB only allow you get to the manager level. To be a director you must be CCC. My director who is bilingual but went to English school as child, have to take full time language training for a year to pass CCC. He have to take that test again in five years, he needs that kind training again.
Only people do not need to go throgh this are French as first language people. They will go english test. God know what is different between English and French.

What is the result? Everyone can see it.

 

[jyfamily]

Gosh, I have to work hard on both my English and French now.
Thank you so much for these important info. I guess I'll wait for my citizenship and...Who know what's going to happen in five year?
Anyway, it's nice to meet and talk with you guys here. Maybe I will still change my mind.

最初由 Timothy's 发布


Yes it is the BBB/CCC stuff. And do you know even you pass BBB, you have to be retested every five years. If you fallyou will lose your position. This mean you have to keep study hard all your working life. BBB only allow you get to the manager level. To be a director you must be CCC. My director who is bilingual but went to English school as child, have to take full time language training for a year to pass CCC. He have to take that test again in five years, he needs that kind training again.
Only people do not need to go throgh this are French as first language people. They will go english test. God know what is different between English and French.

What is the result? Everyone can see it.

 

[bill]

最初由 Timothy's 发布
Want to say one thing.

If you are not Canadian citizen, federal government will not hire you even as term. Government will only give job to no citizen as consultant. But there are a cut in consultant budget, even the existing long term consultant, some of them worked for government more than 5 years are starting to lose job.
After 911 they raised the security clearance requirement, if you are in Canada less than 5 years, it is very hard to pass that.
Speaking French is good. But unless you pass government Bilingual test, you will not be considered bilingual. The bilingual positions will still close to you. The test itself is designed to fall no native Quebec French speakers (some of them told me, they will fall if they go to the test) and keep the jobs for French Canadian. Only people I saw passed are Anglophone born in Montréal.

Not 100 % true, Before we got citizenship, my wife gor offer from federal.

 

[copper]

最初由 jyfamily 发布
Gosh, I have to work hard on both my English and French now.
Thank you so much for these important info. I guess I'll wait for my citizenship and...Who know what's going to happen in five year?
Anyway, it's nice to meet and talk with you guys here. Maybe I will still change my mind.

1999年，渥太华与中国北京结为友好城市
加拿大首都渥太攘（Ottawa）位於安大略省?南部陪魁北克省交界?。首都地?（包括安大略省的渥太攘市、魁北克省的赫_?泻推渲??擎?人口１１０多孺（２００５年），面峰４６６２平方公里。市?有渥太攘河由西向?湍流而咿，?整?城市南北分檫。南部居民是英?移民後代，嘱英遮；北部居民是法?移民後代，嘱法遮。奄多河自南向北穿城而咿，注入城北的渥太攘河。渥太攘?加拿大第四大城市，是水、?、空交通?件。水力儋源赜富，以蒺工??主，有造?、木材加工、食品、?械氧造等工?。

渥太攘?於低地，平均海拔俭１０９米，周??乎完全被加拿大地盾的岩石群所包?。?大?性寒???叁林?候。夏季空??度蒉大，有海洋性?候的特?。冬季由於北面?有??的山谬，?自北?的乾燥?冷?流，可以毫?阻?地??渥太攘大地，?候乾燥寒冷，１月平均???－１１度，是世界上最寒冷的首都之一，最低??曾哌零下３９度。春天一?，整?城市??了色彩魄?的翡金香，把呃座都城砚扮得格外美?，因此渥太攘有“翡金香城”的美柞。??象部樵靳?，渥太攘每年俭有８?月夜晚?度在零度以下，故有人费其?“?寒之都”。

１７世硷初，法?探胝家塞?_?ご鳌げ槠绽锥?淼竭@奄。之後英法殖民者便?至咤?，把呃奄逐??成了木材集散地。他?沿用了印第安人的叫法，把“渥太攘”正式?注在地?上。在印第安遮中，“渥太攘”是“傺易”的意思。１７５６－１７６３年殓，英法殖民者之殓爆办了“七年?_?薄７???。?保罚叮衬旰??恕栋屠?l俭》，法?把在加拿大的殖民地割?斤了英?。１８００年，美??特檫始在渥太攘河北岸伐木，以後办展?赫_?恰＃保福保玻?保福保茨暧⒚?疬?陂g，奄多河成?渥太攘和金斯钅之殓的水上安全通道。美???，英??此催立了在加拿大的地位。１８２６年，英?皇家工程兵中校俭翰・拜至此修建哕河，加速了?地的办展，??的工程指?部所在地被费?拜?。１８５０年成??，１８５５年成?市，?以?休?湖喵?的印第安部落的名费重新命名?渥太攘。１８６７年英?阻?透咿《不列?北美法案》，成立加拿大自治钌，才正式定?加拿大的首都。

１９００年一???性的大火，使渥太攘受到?重的破?。１９３７年，法裔建郝?雅克・格勒?承?了改建渥太攘市?的重任。根?雅克・格勒?的方案，穿越市?的杵路被移到了郊外，新的政府各部大?也建在郊外，城市居民?、商??、揠公?、文化?、科技教育?的??和建韵全部?用?代英式、法式和美式建郝锾格，工??置於下锾地?以使市?免受污染，城?的所有街道和空地全部??公?化、厩地化。市?道路呈棋毙_睢?br />
渥太攘依山傍水，锾景秀?。市中心?位於上城和下城。奄多哕河以西，?上城，呃奄?览著??山，集中了不少政府?晷。坐落在渥太攘河畔??山麓的??大?是渥太攘著名的建郝群，中央有?韵著加拿大各省?丈的大?和一?高８８．７米的和平塔，塔?有??著５３??杷的?琴，塔?有?_?o念碑。塔的左、右分?是?阻院和?阻院，後面是?模宏大的????疝。１９１５年大?曾遭火焚，翌年檫始重建，１９２７年竣工。在??山南，沿著奄多哕河是?邦??，??上?立著１９３９年５月建成的???_?o念碑。??大??面是威爨钅大街，?邦政府大?等首呢?晷座落在呃?大街上。奄多哕河以??下城?，呃奄是嘱法遮的居民集中的地方，呃奄有很多重要建郝物，市政?、?家?案疝、加拿大造??以及渥太攘?史博物疝和法?吝褚天主教的慢母???大教堂等建郝；?有?邦火?站及具有法?建郝锾格的杵路旅疝－－?利大?。　

渥太攘是一座花?城市，每年有２００孺左右咣客到此愚光咣盂。渥太攘市中心?有奄多哕河透咿。奄多哕河以西?上城，呃奄?览著??山，集中了不少政府?晷。坐落在渥太攘河畔??山麓的??大?是一片柳大利哥特式建郝群，中央有?韵著加拿大各省?丈的大?和一?高８８．７米的和平塔。塔的左右分?是?阻院和?阻院，其後是?模宏大的????疝。??山正南沿著奄多哕河的?邦??中央?立著???_?o念碑。在??大??面的威爨钅大街上?集著?邦政府大?、司法大?、最高法院、中央泫行等重要建郝。奄多哕河以??下城?，呃奄是法遮居民集中的地?，?有市政?、?家?案疝等著名建郝。


加拿大?督府位於上城和下城之外，座落在??山不哞的伊士斯特居尤?洛克立弗公?南妗？?礁??@?有一片友狰林，?蕴的各??家元首都要在呃奄植?留念。１９９７年１１月２８日中??家主席江?民蕴?加拿大?在此肺下了一棵象徵友狰的大果??，意在祝?中加友狰樘存。

渥太攘?是一?文化城市，市?的?戌中心有?家?廊和各肺博物疝。渥太攘大?、卡_?D大?、慢保吝大?是呃?城市的最高?府。卡_?D大?是一所?一的英遮大?，渥太攘大?和慢保吝大?都是通行?肺遮言的大?。

渥太攘?是一?花?城市，郊?到?是草坪、花圃，自春至秋，碧厩青售、 紫嫣剪，美?的景色每年吸引著?多咣客。１８２６―１８３２年在英?威爨钅公爵倡阻下，??事目的修建的奄多哕河，?在成?著名咣?中心。?年河上的水殪、水?等石?工程，?在成??史性文物，夏季可在河上?#123;?咣艇，冬季?是天然滑冰?。人??到呃奄欣兖她那四季迷人的锾光。

渥太攘所?的?越地理位置?工?、掾?、商?和金融?的办展提供了有利的?境和?件。渥太攘的主要掾作物是小?、大豆、玉米、甜菜、土豆和?草，其掾?全部??了?械化、??化、水利化和化肥化，?在加?掾?科研和成果推?的基盗上??了由“雨育掾?”向“生?掾?”的弈?。在城?和近郊，?靳的皮革加工、木材加工、造?、建郝材料等工?已不?重要地位，取而代之的是?子、生物研究陪檫办、狒?器械、揠公韵?、宇航陪徐星通?韵?、消防陪?徐韵?等行?。

渥太攘是加拿大的科?文化中心，?家?、市?和大企?公司?的科研??遍?全市。最有影?的自然科?和社?科?研究??分?是加拿大?家自然科?研究院和加拿大北美??。呃?大研究??集中了全?最有影?的自然科?家和社??者，每年有大量的?戌成果?世。渥太攘市?北部是高技戌集中办展的地?，被人?费?“北硅谷”。?百家大中小高技戌公司?集在呃奄。

渥太攘?候寒冷，冬季漫樘，冰上哕?十分办哌。渥太攘市的冰上哕?水?在全?堪费一流，特?是冰球哕?，享有盛名。加拿大素有“冰球之?”之费，渥太攘?是“冰球之城”，?代化的室?冰球?遍及全市。

１９９９年１０月１８日，渥太攘市陪中?的北京市劫?友好城市。

 

[jyfamily]

Wanna me to change mind now?

最初由 copper 发布


1999年，渥太华与中国北京结为友好城市
加拿大首都渥太攘（Ottawa）位於安大略省?南部陪魁北克省交界?。首都地?（包括安大略省的渥太攘市、魁北克省的赫_?泻推渲??擎?人口１１０多孺（２００５年），面峰４６６２平方公里。市?有渥太攘河由西向?湍流而咿，?整?城市南北分檫。南部居民是英?移民後代，嘱英遮；北部居民是法?移民後代，嘱法遮。奄多河自南向北穿城而咿，注入城北的渥太攘河。渥太攘?加拿大第四大城市，是水、?、空交通?件。水力儋源赜富，以蒺工??主，有造?、木材加工、食品、?械氧造等工?。

渥太攘?於低地，平均海拔俭１０９米，周??乎完全被加拿大地盾的岩石群所包?。?大?性寒???叁林?候。夏季空??度蒉大，有海洋性?候的特?。冬季由於北面?有??的山谬，?自北?的乾燥?冷?流，可以毫?阻?地??渥太攘大地，?候乾燥寒冷，１月平均???－１１度，是世界上最寒冷的首都之一，最低??曾哌零下３９度。春天一?，整?城市??了色彩魄?的翡金香，把呃座都城砚扮得格外美?，因此渥太攘有“翡金香城”的美柞。??象部樵靳?，渥太攘每年俭有８?月夜晚?度在零度以下，故有人费其?“?寒之都”。

１７世硷初，法?探胝家塞?_?ご鳌げ槠绽锥?淼竭@奄。之後英法殖民者便?至咤?，把呃奄逐??成了木材集散地。他?沿用了印第安人的叫法，把“渥太攘”正式?注在地?上。在印第安遮中，“渥太攘”是“傺易”的意思。１７５６－１７６３年殓，英法殖民者之殓爆办了“七年?_?薄７???。?保罚叮衬旰??恕栋屠?l俭》，法?把在加拿大的殖民地割?斤了英?。１８００年，美??特檫始在渥太攘河北岸伐木，以後办展?赫_?恰＃保福保玻?保福保茨暧⒚?疬?陂g，奄多河成?渥太攘和金斯钅之殓的水上安全通道。美???，英??此催立了在加拿大的地位。１８２６年，英?皇家工程兵中校俭翰・拜至此修建哕河，加速了?地的办展，??的工程指?部所在地被费?拜?。１８５０年成??，１８５５年成?市，?以?休?湖喵?的印第安部落的名费重新命名?渥太攘。１８６７年英?阻?透咿《不列?北美法案》，成立加拿大自治钌，才正式定?加拿大的首都。

１９００年一???性的大火，使渥太攘受到?重的破?。１９３７年，法裔建郝?雅克・格勒?承?了改建渥太攘市?的重任。根?雅克・格勒?的方案，穿越市?的杵路被移到了郊外，新的政府各部大?也建在郊外，城市居民?、商??、揠公?、文化?、科技教育?的??和建韵全部?用?代英式、法式和美式建郝锾格，工??置於下锾地?以使市?免受污染，城?的所有街道和空地全部??公?化、厩地化。市?道路呈棋毙_睢?br />
渥太攘依山傍水，锾景秀?。市中心?位於上城和下城。奄多哕河以西，?上城，呃奄?览著??山，集中了不少政府?晷。坐落在渥太攘河畔??山麓的??大?是渥太攘著名的建郝群，中央有?韵著加拿大各省?丈的大?和一?高８８．７米的和平塔，塔?有??著５３??杷的?琴，塔?有?_?o念碑。塔的左、右分?是?阻院和?阻院，後面是?模宏大的????疝。１９１５年大?曾遭火焚，翌年檫始重建，１９２７年竣工。在??山南，沿著奄多哕河是?邦??，??上?立著１９３９年５月建成的???_?o念碑。??大??面是威爨钅大街，?邦政府大?等首呢?晷座落在呃?大街上。奄多哕河以??下城?，呃奄是嘱法遮的居民集中的地方，呃奄有很多重要建郝物，市政?、?家?案疝、加拿大造??以及渥太攘?史博物疝和法?吝褚天主教的慢母???大教堂等建郝；?有?邦火?站及具有法?建郝锾格的杵路旅疝－－?利大?。　

渥太攘是一座花?城市，每年有２００孺左右咣客到此愚光咣盂。渥太攘市中心?有奄多哕河透咿。奄多哕河以西?上城，呃奄?览著??山，集中了不少政府?晷。坐落在渥太攘河畔??山麓的??大?是一片柳大利哥特式建郝群，中央有?韵著加拿大各省?丈的大?和一?高８８．７米的和平塔。塔的左右分?是?阻院和?阻院，其後是?模宏大的????疝。??山正南沿著奄多哕河的?邦??中央?立著???_?o念碑。在??大??面的威爨钅大街上?集著?邦政府大?、司法大?、最高法院、中央泫行等重要建郝。奄多哕河以??下城?，呃奄是法遮居民集中的地?，?有市政?、?家?案疝等著名建郝。


加拿大?督府位於上城和下城之外，座落在??山不哞的伊士斯特居尤?洛克立弗公?南妗？?礁??@?有一片友狰林，?蕴的各??家元首都要在呃奄植?留念。１９９７年１１月２８日中??家主席江?民蕴?加拿大?在此肺下了一棵象徵友狰的大果??，意在祝?中加友狰樘存。

渥太攘?是一?文化城市，市?的?戌中心有?家?廊和各肺博物疝。渥太攘大?、卡_?D大?、慢保吝大?是呃?城市的最高?府。卡_?D大?是一所?一的英遮大?，渥太攘大?和慢保吝大?都是通行?肺遮言的大?。

渥太攘?是一?花?城市，郊?到?是草坪、花圃，自春至秋，碧厩青售、 紫嫣剪，美?的景色每年吸引著?多咣客。１８２６―１８３２年在英?威爨钅公爵倡阻下，??事目的修建的奄多哕河，?在成?著名咣?中心。?年河上的水殪、水?等石?工程，?在成??史性文物，夏季可在河上?#123;?咣艇，冬季?是天然滑冰?。人??到呃奄欣兖她那四季迷人的锾光。

渥太攘所?的?越地理位置?工?、掾?、商?和金融?的办展提供了有利的?境和?件。渥太攘的主要掾作物是小?、大豆、玉米、甜菜、土豆和?草，其掾?全部??了?械化、??化、水利化和化肥化，?在加?掾?科研和成果推?的基盗上??了由“雨育掾?”向“生?掾?”的弈?。在城?和近郊，?靳的皮革加工、木材加工、造?、建郝材料等工?已不?重要地位，取而代之的是?子、生物研究陪檫办、狒?器械、揠公韵?、宇航陪徐星通?韵?、消防陪?徐韵?等行?。

渥太攘是加拿大的科?文化中心，?家?、市?和大企?公司?的科研??遍?全市。最有影?的自然科?和社?科?研究??分?是加拿大?家自然科?研究院和加拿大北美??。呃?大研究??集中了全?最有影?的自然科?家和社??者，每年有大量的?戌成果?世。渥太攘市?北部是高技戌集中办展的地?，被人?费?“北硅谷”。?百家大中小高技戌公司?集在呃奄。

渥太攘?候寒冷，冬季漫樘，冰上哕?十分办哌。渥太攘市的冰上哕?水?在全?堪费一流，特?是冰球哕?，享有盛名。加拿大素有“冰球之?”之费，渥太攘?是“冰球之城”，?代化的室?冰球?遍及全市。

１９９９年１０月１８日，渥太攘市陪中?的北京市劫?友好城市。