Quebecers form a nation within Canada: PM[转贴]
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唯一的区别这叫幼稚。独立了只能满足个别政治家的野心。对魁国老百姓，只能造成更多的行政负担。
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如果有人要独立, 你会杀光他们么?
这是区别.
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魁国少数政客多少次来闹独立，都被魁国的老百姓已经否决了。
你连这么点知识都没有，不用贬低你，起码你的智力在魁国５０％选民以下。
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在宪法范围内的独立，没听说哪个国家杀人了。
如果在宪法范围外搞独立，那就得镇压，哪国都一样。
有人已经讨论了美国南北战争的榜样。
全世界都得学呀。
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学吧. 学别人几百年以前的经验.
一九一八年：法语居民反对被英军征兵，魁北克发生数起流血暴动
一九六七年：法国总统戴高乐在蒙特娄演说，高呼「魁北克自由万岁」，成为魁省独派人士的精神口号。
一九六八年：魁北克党成立，以争取魁北克脱离加拿大而独立为职志。
一九七○年：爆发「十月危机」(October Crisis)，「魁北克解放阵线」策动一连串恐怖事件，出身魁北克的杜鲁道(Trudeau)总理派军镇压，数百人被捕。
一九七六年：魁北克党在选举中大胜，首度执政，由勒维克出任魁省省长。
一九七七年: 178 Act强制境内商业招牌一律使用法文。
一九八○年：勒维克提出「主权联系」计画，主张魁北克为独立国家，但仍与加拿大维持密切关系，魁北克针对此计画举行公投(referendum)，反对者以百分之五十九得票率获胜。
一九六七年：法国总统戴高乐在蒙特娄演说，高呼「魁北克自由万岁」，成为魁省独派人士的精神口号。
一九六八年：魁北克党成立，以争取魁北克脱离加拿大而独立为职志。
一九七○年：爆发「十月危机」(October Crisis)，「魁北克解放阵线」策动一连串恐怖事件，出身魁北克的杜鲁道(Trudeau)总理派军镇压，数百人被捕。
一九七六年：魁北克党在选举中大胜，首度执政，由勒维克出任魁省省长。
一九七七年: 178 Act强制境内商业招牌一律使用法文。
一九八○年：勒维克提出「主权联系」计画，主张魁北克为独立国家，但仍与加拿大维持密切关系，魁北克针对此计画举行公投(referendum)，反对者以百分之五十九得票率获胜。
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"镇压"?
应该是数百人被"杀"吧?
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毛毛: 这么晚了还不睡啊?
The terrorist Quebec nationalist group Front de libération du Québec (FLQ), from 1963 to 1970, the FLQ committed over 200 violent actions, including bombings, bank hold-ups and at least three killings by FLQ bombs and two killings by gunfire. In 1966 a secret eight-page document titled Revolutionary Strategy and the Role of the Avant-Garde was prepared by the FLQ outlining its long term strategy of successive waves of robberies, violence, bombings and kidnappings, culminating in insurrection and revolution.
一九七○年：爆发「十月危机」(October Crisis)，「魁北克解放阵线」策动一连串恐怖事件，出身魁北克的杜鲁道(Trudeau)总理派军镇压，数百人被捕。
Military cordon in support of police taking surrender of terrorist Liberation cell, December 3, 1970
一九七○年：爆发「十月危机」(October Crisis)，「魁北克解放阵线」策动一连串恐怖事件，出身魁北克的杜鲁道(Trudeau)总理派军镇压，数百人被捕。
Military cordon in support of police taking surrender of terrorist Liberation cell, December 3, 1970
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PM's motion on Québécois nation helps sovereigntists: Boisclair
Last Updated: Friday, November 24, 2006 | 1:35 PM ET
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Parti Québécois Leader André Boisclair predicts Prime Minister Stephen Harper's motion to recognize Quebecers as a nation will help the sovereignty forces in the province.
He said Thursday the surprise motion brought forward in the House of Commons on Wednesday is a powerful symbol that will up the ante in any future constitutional talks, and will fuel the credibility of the independence movement.
Quebec Opposition leader André Boisclair gestures as he asks questions to Premier Jean Charest Thursday at the Quebec legislature.Quebec Opposition leader André Boisclair gestures as he asks questions to Premier Jean Charest Thursday at the Quebec legislature.
(Jacques Boissinot/Canadian Press)
"The fact that the federal government recognizes that there is a nation in Quebec, they will have to recognize that this nation has a right to auto-determination, and it will facilitate the process of the international recognition of a sovereign Quebec," Boisclair said.
However federal Intergovernmental Affairs Minister Benoit Pelletier said the government won't be baited into hasty constitutional talks.
"We should only deal with the Constitution when everyone is ready for it," he said.
He said another failed round of talks would help sovereigntists win a referendum.
Liberal member of the Quebec national assembly Pierre Reid said he sees no hurry to change the Constitution because, he said, the Harper motion strips sovereigntists of their traditional support base.
"It's a signal to Quebec nationalists: you have a right to be federalist, and to be nationalist."
Reid said the motion symbolizes a new era in federalist politics, because it shows that the rest of Canada understands something most Quebecers knew about themselves all along.
MPs are expected to debate Harper's motion on Friday, with a vote expected on Monday.
Last Updated: Friday, November 24, 2006 | 1:35 PM ET
CBC News
Parti Québécois Leader André Boisclair predicts Prime Minister Stephen Harper's motion to recognize Quebecers as a nation will help the sovereignty forces in the province.
He said Thursday the surprise motion brought forward in the House of Commons on Wednesday is a powerful symbol that will up the ante in any future constitutional talks, and will fuel the credibility of the independence movement.
Quebec Opposition leader André Boisclair gestures as he asks questions to Premier Jean Charest Thursday at the Quebec legislature.Quebec Opposition leader André Boisclair gestures as he asks questions to Premier Jean Charest Thursday at the Quebec legislature.
(Jacques Boissinot/Canadian Press)
"The fact that the federal government recognizes that there is a nation in Quebec, they will have to recognize that this nation has a right to auto-determination, and it will facilitate the process of the international recognition of a sovereign Quebec," Boisclair said.
However federal Intergovernmental Affairs Minister Benoit Pelletier said the government won't be baited into hasty constitutional talks.
"We should only deal with the Constitution when everyone is ready for it," he said.
He said another failed round of talks would help sovereigntists win a referendum.
Liberal member of the Quebec national assembly Pierre Reid said he sees no hurry to change the Constitution because, he said, the Harper motion strips sovereigntists of their traditional support base.
"It's a signal to Quebec nationalists: you have a right to be federalist, and to be nationalist."
Reid said the motion symbolizes a new era in federalist politics, because it shows that the rest of Canada understands something most Quebecers knew about themselves all along.
MPs are expected to debate Harper's motion on Friday, with a vote expected on Monday.
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Pretty words over now that cat's out of bag
By PETER WORTHINGTON
Just exactly, what has Stephen Harper done?
By declaring that he considers Quebec to be a "nation" (and never mind that "within Canada" qualification), the PM has advanced the cause of separation for that province.
He has also inadvertently bailed out Liberal leadership contender Michael Ignatieff, who's spent the last six weeks or so backing off his earlier endorsement of Quebec as a nation, which is his euphemism for "distinct society."
While both Harper and Ignatieff may think they believe their Quebec-as-a-nation-within-Canada is motivated by conviction, the appearance reeks of political expediency, as both men seek to bolster support within that province.
Harper thinks he needs Quebec in order to form a majority government; Ignatieff thinks he needs to pander to Quebec to win the Liberal leadership race.
Both are probably correct in their assessment.
But Harper has opened a Pandora's box, which had been closed ever since the ill-fated independence referendum that Jean Chretien almost lost. Now the issue is once again in the open, and who knows the consequences?
While the thirst for independence, or sovereignty, or whatever they want to call it, has diminished of late, it always simmers beneath the surface in Quebec.
UNDERMINES BLOC
Look at the annoyance of Bloc Quebecois Leader Gilles Duceppe at Harper's remark, which undermines the Bloc's theme. "Never a nation within the confines of Canada," says Duceppe, in effect.
He wants (or says he wants) separation and independence. In the meantime, he and Bloc MPs feed off Confederation.
In the minds of many (including mine), Canada is nuts to support and encourage a federal political party whose purpose is to destroy Confederation and get what it can from Canada.
It defies logic why Canadian taxpayers should finance Members of Parliament who have no allegiance to Canada and are dedicated to quitting Confederation. One can't blame the Bloc for taking advantage of this, but shame on our system for tolerating it.
The Oxford dictionary defines nation as: "A large number of people of mainly common descent, language, history, etc., inhabiting a territory bounded by defined limits and forming a society under one government."
Quebec fits that definition. Frankly, while most Canadians would be sorry to see Quebec leave Confederation, it would hardly be a tragedy if it did, and might even improve relations with the rest of the country.
Unspoken in Harper's bombshell declaration, is that the closer Quebec comes to independence, or even sovereignty associated with Canada, the greater the impact on the West where there's also a growing interest in separation.
Western alienation is arguably more serious than the Quebec question.
When Parliament endorses Harper's "Quebec as a nation" viewpoint (as surely it will) mostly the Bloc will be uneasy to see one of its themes hijacked.
SEMANTICS
Some will argue that since we already refer to Indians as "First Nations," and passively tolerate individual bands describing themselves as a "nation," it's mostly semantics and no big deal because we don't really believe it.
How can a "nation" exist when it depends on handouts from a big benefactor? It can't.
That's not the case with Quebec. Or Alberta. Both would be viable as independent states -- friendly with neighbours, co-operative and communal, bonded by self-interest.
This won't happen immediately, but the cat's out of the bag. Coming debates are unlikely to be confined to pretty words and a symbolic acceptance of the status quo.
Pierre Trudeau saw this and tried to thwart it.
Now it's back. Thanks, Stephen.
By PETER WORTHINGTON
Just exactly, what has Stephen Harper done?
By declaring that he considers Quebec to be a "nation" (and never mind that "within Canada" qualification), the PM has advanced the cause of separation for that province.
He has also inadvertently bailed out Liberal leadership contender Michael Ignatieff, who's spent the last six weeks or so backing off his earlier endorsement of Quebec as a nation, which is his euphemism for "distinct society."
While both Harper and Ignatieff may think they believe their Quebec-as-a-nation-within-Canada is motivated by conviction, the appearance reeks of political expediency, as both men seek to bolster support within that province.
Harper thinks he needs Quebec in order to form a majority government; Ignatieff thinks he needs to pander to Quebec to win the Liberal leadership race.
Both are probably correct in their assessment.
But Harper has opened a Pandora's box, which had been closed ever since the ill-fated independence referendum that Jean Chretien almost lost. Now the issue is once again in the open, and who knows the consequences?
While the thirst for independence, or sovereignty, or whatever they want to call it, has diminished of late, it always simmers beneath the surface in Quebec.
UNDERMINES BLOC
Look at the annoyance of Bloc Quebecois Leader Gilles Duceppe at Harper's remark, which undermines the Bloc's theme. "Never a nation within the confines of Canada," says Duceppe, in effect.
He wants (or says he wants) separation and independence. In the meantime, he and Bloc MPs feed off Confederation.
In the minds of many (including mine), Canada is nuts to support and encourage a federal political party whose purpose is to destroy Confederation and get what it can from Canada.
It defies logic why Canadian taxpayers should finance Members of Parliament who have no allegiance to Canada and are dedicated to quitting Confederation. One can't blame the Bloc for taking advantage of this, but shame on our system for tolerating it.
The Oxford dictionary defines nation as: "A large number of people of mainly common descent, language, history, etc., inhabiting a territory bounded by defined limits and forming a society under one government."
Quebec fits that definition. Frankly, while most Canadians would be sorry to see Quebec leave Confederation, it would hardly be a tragedy if it did, and might even improve relations with the rest of the country.
Unspoken in Harper's bombshell declaration, is that the closer Quebec comes to independence, or even sovereignty associated with Canada, the greater the impact on the West where there's also a growing interest in separation.
Western alienation is arguably more serious than the Quebec question.
When Parliament endorses Harper's "Quebec as a nation" viewpoint (as surely it will) mostly the Bloc will be uneasy to see one of its themes hijacked.
SEMANTICS
Some will argue that since we already refer to Indians as "First Nations," and passively tolerate individual bands describing themselves as a "nation," it's mostly semantics and no big deal because we don't really believe it.
How can a "nation" exist when it depends on handouts from a big benefactor? It can't.
That's not the case with Quebec. Or Alberta. Both would be viable as independent states -- friendly with neighbours, co-operative and communal, bonded by self-interest.
This won't happen immediately, but the cat's out of the bag. Coming debates are unlikely to be confined to pretty words and a symbolic acceptance of the status quo.
Pierre Trudeau saw this and tried to thwart it.
Now it's back. Thanks, Stephen.
如假包换的马甲
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靠。。。
这点全世界的人都知道的事，你也好意思拿来说
有些魁国的老百姓在乎行政负担，有些就不在乎（更在乎别的）
魁国的老百姓都是聪明的，从自己的立场出发的
从其余的加拿大人，特别是华人的立场和利益出发，魁国独立就是好事
你发呆还是咋的？担心魁国的老百姓行政负担？？？
这张是其实是其他的加拿大人的王牌（想不增加行政负担吗？就老实点，别老是向加拿大要利益，什么tmd双语政策最好也废除）
现在倒好，这本来是魁国的老百姓担心的问题，在你看来，反而变成了其他的加拿大人担心的问题了
你真是超级‘聪明’加 搞笑 呀！！！
