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好奇问一下,电击枪属于致命性武器吗?如果某人有如下举动, 警察是否有权利对他使用电击枪。

警察到达之前: 挥舞椅子,砸东西。
警察到达之后: 挥舞手臂,试图逃跑


TASER在以前就出过致命的事故, 并且有报告指出,RCMP知道会造成这样的结果, 但没有采取相关的安全措施。 电击枪已经不止一次致命, 你说是否属于致命性武器。

你整天在这里断章取义, 打胡乱说, 都没有人把你的嘴给GAG上。 挥舞椅子,砸东西。就可以被致死? 况且,4个RCMP完全可以不使用TASER将他制服。 他们为了方便, 将他电击了两次。 最后一次是在他躺在地上的时候。

你不想谈论英语了。 现在决定夹着尾巴坐下来听指挥了?
 
人们很容易情绪化地因为那位被意外电死,而否认基本的事实: tazer对多数人的非致命性,以及那位的暴利行为和倾向。

换上个打斗专家,4个警察赤手空拳还真的一定打得过。而在当时的情况下,警察无法核实身高体壮的那个波兰人的打斗水平。警察也是人,为什么不用电击枪,而要赤手空拳地制服暴力行为者,这会使得其他守法公民得不到有效保护。
 
人们很容易因为那位被意外电死,而否认基本的事实。例如tazer对多数人的非致命性,以及那位的暴利行为和倾向。

问题在于, RCMP知道TASER会致命, 但没有采取相应的措施防止。

ROBERT有暴力倾向, 但RCMP的防范措施应当有个“度”。 首先, 4个RCMP可以在不使用TASER的情况下, 将他制服。 其次, ROBERT在机场待了8小时不知道原因, 没有逃走; 当看到全副武装的RCMP, 只能本能地、消极地后退。 这种情况下, RCMP应当用一中更安全的方式。 但RCMP的方式, 超出了这个“度”。 何况, 在ROBERT倒地之后, 再一次被电击。 这就完全超出了合理的范围。

比如, 你经常在这里打胡乱说,断章取义, 很多人骂你, 烦你, 但没有人建议封你的ID, 这就是一个度的问题。虽然没有人把你当个正人君子,但大家觉得, 象你这样的乱说者, 在一定情况下, 也应当有言论自由。
 
问题在于, RCMP知道TASER会致命, 但没有采取相应的措施防止。
哪儿的警察都用电棍,
本人就在北京见过警察用电棍对付黄牛党,
没有警察会上去与黄牛肉搏!
 
我估计你中文也读不懂。 问题的关键在与使用暴力制服暴力者的“度”。 TASER不是电棒, 以前就有被电死的人, 关键在于RCMP没有引起重视, 没有采取防范措施。

另外, 你再看一次录象, 看看是否ROBERT倒地只后再一次被电击。 你又开始打胡乱说, 用所谓的“相关报道”来扭曲事实。 这么不乖, 真的应该给你个骨头或GAG把你的嘴封上。
 
我估计你中文也读不懂。 问题的关键在与使用暴力制服暴力者的“度”。 TASER不是电棒, 以前就有被电死的人, 关键在于RCMP没有引起重视, 没有采取防范措施。

另外, 你再看一次录象, 看看是否ROBERT倒地只后再一次被电击。 你又开始打胡乱说, 用所谓的“相关报道”来扭曲事实。 这么不乖, 真的应该给你个骨头或GAG把你的嘴封上。

电棒以前也有被电死的人。

显然,你眼睛有问题。
 
首先, 4个RCMP可以在不使用TASER的情况下, 将他制服。

你能肯定吗?

换上个打斗专家,4个警察赤手空拳还真的不一定打得过。而在当时的情况下,警察无法核实身高体壮的那个波兰人的打斗水平。

警察也是人,为什么不用电击枪,而要赤手空拳地制服暴力行为者? 这会使得其他守法公民得不到有效保护。

其次, ROBERT在机场待了8小时不知道原因, 没有逃走; 当看到全副武装的RCMP, 只能本能地、消极地后退。 这种情况下, RCMP应当用一中更安全的方式。 但RCMP的方式, 超出了这个“度”。

他被滞留,是Border Service的事, 和RCMP无关。RCMP被招来,是为了制止这哥们的暴力行为。RCMP的警察并不知道也不负责解决他被滞留了8小时, 在当时的情况下,RCMP的警察无法核实他被滞留了8小时。

再说,就算被滞留8小时,是否就有理由拿椅子砸窗户?在机场,海关,或其他政府部门遇到麻烦的人多了,有几个拿椅子砸窗户的?我一邻居,中东人,去美国公干,在边境上被滞留了10个小时,他没砸窗户。

何况, 在ROBERT倒地之后, 再一次被电击。 这就完全超出了合理的范围。

相关报道说,他是在被两次电击后,倒地,而不是倒地之后, 再一次被电击。

你可以看一下录像。


提醒你一下,电枪,电棍之类的电击武器,在中国,甚至配备到小区普通看门的保安。
 
再看GLOBEANDMAIL的报道:
He appears to turn and move away from officers, putting up his hands in frustration. He appears to pick up a stapler on a counter. He is then tasered with a 50,000-volt shock, and jittering he drops, screaming in pain.
Someone yells "hit him again." He was tasered twice. Police pile on, seeking to restrain him. One officer places his knee on Mr. Dziekanski's neck.


你除了会用扭曲事实的方式来骚扰人, 还会干啥?

我训练我的GOLDEN RETRIEVER比教育你容易多了。

Tasered man's last moments


IAN BAILEY
Globe and Mail Update
November 14, 2007 at 10:18 PM EST

VANCOUVER — Astonishing video footage released yesterday shows Polish immigrant Robert Dziekanski did not resist police or confront them before officers zapped him with a taser, setting off a struggle that ended in his death in the international arrivals area of Vancouver's International Airport.
The footage, shot by Victoria resident Paul Pritchard, was released to the news media yesterday and widely broadcast, providing a raw look at events that have prompted a furious debate in B.C. about the police use of tasers.
The release comes exactly a month after the incident that ended in the death of 40-year-old Mr. Dziekanski, who had come to Canada on his first-ever airplane flight to begin a new life here with his mother, who lives in Kamloops and had been eagerly awaiting his arrival.
He began acting erratically after more than 10 hours being processed — the footage picks up as he was positioning chairs and a table in a manner that caused the automatic doors to remain open. Security guards look on.

Enlarge Image Paul Pritchard, 25, who witnessed and recorded the death of Robert Dziekanski at the Vancouver International Airport, holds the video camera he used to capture the event, after a press conference at his lawyer's office in Victoria in this Nov. 1 file photo. (Deddeda Stemler/The Canadian Press)

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When four Mounties arrive, they briskly move up to Mr. Dziekanski. He calls out "policia, policia" as they approach. One bystander is recorded saying that he is speaking Russian.
He appears to turn and move away from officers, putting up his hands in frustration. He appears to pick up a stapler on a counter. He is then tasered with a 50,000-volt shock, and jittering he drops, screaming in pain.
Someone yells "hit him again." He was tasered twice. Police pile on, seeking to restrain him. One officer places his knee on Mr. Dziekanski's neck.
Mr. Dziekanski went into medical distress and died there. The footage shows officers attending to him. One man in a suit checks for a pulse. It is impossible to tell from the footage whether he is dead at that point, although he appears non-responsive.
An autopsy later found no sign of drugs or alcohol in Mr. Dziekanski's system, but failed to come up with any specific cause of death.
His mother, Zofia Cisowski, had gone home to the B.C. Interior after waiting several hours to meet her son.
The footage was especially horrifying to Ms. Cisowski. Her lawyer said she had watched parts selected for her by a friend.
"She's profoundly saddened seeing her son look frightened and in need of help and wanting help," Walter Kosteckyj said in an interview shortly before he released copies of the video to the media by arrangement with Mr. Pritchard.
"She would have expected that he would have got that help from the police, but clearly he did not."
Mr. Kosteckyj said his client would not watch TV news broadcasts for a while to avoid seeing the images, although she had wanted to view them on her own terms.
"You want to be able to, if possible, see the last moments of your child's life and see what, if anything, you could do, and what could have been done."
He said she has been resigned to the release of the video. "Whether it got out now or four months from now, she knew that it was going to come out, and that's just the reality of modern life," he said.
Mr. Kosteckyj said it's too soon to comment on legal action, although he has been talking to witnesses to prepare for a planned coroner's inquest. He said people have called him from as far away as Texas to offer their comments on what they saw.
"I was expecting to see a confrontation, a discussion and things go sideways, then the tasering. That's not what you see," he said.
"The biggest thing that surprises me is there were four professional police officers there, and that the four officers showed up on the scene, [and] none of them seemed to take the time, not one of them, to go and talk to the crowd of people, the witnesses that were there and get some background on what was going on," he said.
He urged people to watch the video and draw their own conclusions.
A spokesman for the integrated homicide investigation team, which is investigating the incident, urged the public to await the coroner's inquest and consider the video in the context of evidence that will include officers explaining their conduct.
But Corporal Dale Carr, a spokesman for the police team investigating the incident, conceded that may be a futile request. "People are going to form their opinions. They are going to make their conclusions and I, unfortunately, don't expect I can control that."
Asked about the absence of attempts to defuse the situation with conversation, Cpl. Carr said, "That's part of what we are trying to get to the bottom of, what was going through these officers' minds, what did they choose, and why they chose the intervention they did."
He said the investigation is about 30 to 45 days away from completion.
Cpl. Carr said he was especially sympathetic to Ms. Cisowski despite her criticisms of the police.
"I don't want to counter what she has to say. She's a grieving mother who tried for years to get her son to come to Canada, and upon his arrival he ended up deceased. It's a tragic story, and she's entitled to her opinion."
 
再看GLOBEANDMAIL的报道:
He appears to turn and move away from officers, putting up his hands in frustration. He appears to pick up a stapler on a counter. He is then tasered with a 50,000-volt shock, and jittering he drops, screaming in pain.

'He appears to pick up a stapler on a counter' , 如果属实,被电击,算客气的了。
 
'He appears to pick up a stapler on a counter' , 如果属实,被电击,算客气的了。

he "appears" to pick up a stapler...

contractor "appears" to be saying the truth, but he's not.

你不提第二次被电击是倒地前还是倒地后了? 如果你觉得你错了, 就承认一下, 不要想蒙混过关。 呵呵。。。 承认错误后, 还是有骨头给你的.
 
he "appears" to pick up a stapler...

contractor "appears" to be saying the truth, but he's not.

你不提第二次被电击是倒地前还是倒地后了? 如果你觉得你错了, 就承认一下, 不要想蒙混过关。 呵呵。。。 承认错误后, 还是有骨头给你的.

你一方面要用报道证明他倒地后被电击,同时,你又否认报道里的'He appears to pick up a stapler on a counter'.

显然你不再提 ‘4个RCMP可以在不使用TASER的情况下, 将他制服’, 如果你觉得你错了, 就承认一下, 不要想蒙混过关。 呵呵。。。 承认错误后, 还是有骨头给你的
 
你一方面要用报道证明他倒地后被电击,同时,你又否认报道里的'He appears to pick up a stapler on a counter'.

显然你不再提 ‘, 如果你觉得你错了, 就承认一下, 不要想蒙混过关。 呵呵。。。 承认错误后, 还是有骨头给你的

我什么时候“否认”了报道里 “he appears to pick up a stapler on a counter"... 你这样的打胡乱说的本事又来了。。。 并且, 我还强调了‘APPEARS”这个词。

我再提一次:4个RCMP可以在不使用TASER的情况下, 将他制服。

到底是倒地后被电击的第二次, 还是倒地前? 你怎么不回答了?

我的GOLDEN RETRIEVER比你聪明多了, 起码, 它不搬弄是非。
 
你能将你的 ‘度’量化一下吗?

例如,对于 警察到达之前,挥舞椅子,砸窗户,警察到达之后,继续挥舞手臂,试图逃跑,并企图拿订书机的哥们,不能使用电击,而要赤手空拳地制服。
到底是倒地后被电击的第二次, 还是倒地前? 你怎么不回答了?

你如果想继续接受教育, 先对你自己的打胡乱说,承认个错误。
 
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