请问,藏汉千年相安无事,为何只对中共不满?

[夜色]

警察和军队是两回事。

你例举加拿大警察的时候，不妨也google中国警察是怎么开枪的新闻吧

我似乎说了，october crisis派出了军队。

 

[夜色]

你能告诉大家一下，什么样的kidnappings 吗?

－ British Trade Commissioner James Cross
－ Vice-Premier and Minister of Labour of the province of Quebec, Pierre Laporte

我都说了，自己去看wiki去。

 

[lindamy]

警察和军队是两回事。

你例举加拿大警察的时候，不妨也google中国警察是怎么开枪的新闻吧

你要想说服人，google出来我们看，我自己google，不一定对你的胃口。

拉萨暴乱的程度和95年几个土著居民占据公园都相提并论吗？中国派出几个警察那只能是去送命。

 

[labor]

我似乎说了，october crisis派出了军队。

你和lindamy演了把双簧。我回你的帖子，被lindamy挡了下来，我回lindamy的帖子，被你挡了下来。

 

[夜色]

你和lindamy演了把双簧。我回你的帖子，被lindamy挡了下来，我回lindamy的帖子，被你挡了下来。

呵呵，不好意思，不过3个人同时发帖，难免会串味。

 

[lifeisfun]

It is no problem at all for Chinese to think Tibet is part of China. Myself would like to agree that as well. But, now the problem is how can we make MOST TIBETANS think the same way. We need to earn their true heart. That is eventual goal.

记得诸葛亮七擒孟获的故事吗? Do you see how Canadian tackles Quebec issue? Bloc Quebecois is a pretty strong political power in Canada, esp in QC when we do federal election. But do you think they can get the Quebec sovereignty in a predictable future? I doubt that.

First how do you think the majority of Tibetan does't think that Tibet is part of China? I guess most of them don't care. Those get on streets are just minority.

Second, do you know that in 80's when Quebec lost its first referendum for independence, there was a small goup in Quebec planning to use force to solve this, they abducted some Canadian and foreign officials and killed one of them? Trudeau sent Candian troop to patrol in Montreal and arrested some of those abductors. That told Quebec that seeking independence should be in a peaceful way, not violent one.

 

[lifeisfun]

从你给得这个“西藏历史”上，也看不出藏汉千年相安无事的结论。只看到它弱小，多灾多难的历史。和汉族统治政权，和蒙古，西夏邻邦的征战从未停止过，连印度，甚至英国都队对其入侵，瓜分。西藏的农奴主和农奴，藏王和佛教徒，班禅和达赖之间都是矛盾重重。

世界上其他国家的统一独立之争从来都是充满血腥的战斗，Brave Heart看过吧？够惨烈了。英国的北爱尔兰共和军是被标志为恐怖组织的，西班牙的巴斯克分裂分子也多次采取爆炸手段，伤害无辜百姓。加拿大的愧独运动也曾流过血。

苏联和塞尔维亚的分裂和国家贫穷有关。任何民族的利益都不是一致的，满足了农奴，可能就得罪了农奴主，当藏族内部利益集团存在很多差异时，没有什么政策能使所有人满意。

建议您不要轻易下结论。

That is very well said. In fact in Tibet, the 1959 uprising was because the central government would like to start the land reform, to free the slaves, That made the upper class represented by DaLai mad and therefore, they started the uprising. One of the reason that that uprising was filed was also because that lower class like slaves didn't like to work with them. And please remember that these upper class people are those in exile right now and they are using free tibet to gain back their previous interestes. So there are many interests involved in this from different classes, different races etc.

 

[lifeisfun]

我的结论是靠武力,流血永远无法解决真正的问题. 流血加仇恨,最终的结局就是今天的巴以冲突. 血越多,越无解. 更麻烦的是,我们将留给汉藏下一代,或下几代是和平相助还是仇恨和血泪.

I agree with you on in this point. I also think that only using force is not the soultion, looking at so many troublsome areas in the world.

However, in terms of this recent riots, I truely believe it is started by some extreme Tibetan, trying to use this chance to have western world apply more pressure on China or even boycott the Olympic and make Chinese losing face. That is not toleratable.

 

[lifeisfun]

You'd better try to talk the Tibetan issue with any local people and you can make a survey to see what are their opinions. If most people blame what Chinese government doing, you at least think about the issue deeper. I mean, the way Chinese government applying is not basically accepted by the civilian world.

The local people are fooled by the local medias, look at CTV and some other local medias, only to broadcasst biased stories on this issue. I guess you should not just talk to local people, but instead try to convince them with the story from the other side.

I agree that chinese government should do better on this.

 

[pickle]

别拿农奴制说事了.

按照中共的说法。中国之所以不能搞民主制度，是因为民主制度不适用于中国，同样道理，当年的西藏农奴主也可以说，只有农奴制才能救西藏。

haha . correct.

only GCD said 农奴制 is bad even evil. in fact 农奴制 is closer to capitalism.

 

[夜色]

haha . correct.

only GCD said 农奴制 is bad even evil. in fact 农奴制 is closer to capitalism.

care to elaborate?

 

[appledriver]

这里真有一些白痴啊。

西藏是中国领土，不管你是和平方式还是玩暴力，不管你几根毛，搞独立肯定是不行的。西方国家一切以自己的利益为中心，想搞散中国也不是一天两天了。什么第一岛链第二岛链，什么价值观联盟包围中国。没事的时候都想搞和平演变或者在背后生事，一出了点事更是如获至宝，来不及验证就仓促上阵，结果假新闻搞过了头被揪住了辫子。这些白痴能不能想一想，西藏独立了，新疆也跟着独立，台湾也独立，中国会是什么下场？如果这些人不是白痴的话，真是别有用心了。

 

[ROChineseCanuck]

要向中共討回公道的漢人，就比幾個西藏要多得很多了‧

要向中共討回公道的漢人，就比幾個西藏要多得很多了‧
這樣懂了吧?

 

[cvictor]

我的结论是靠武力,流血永远无法解决真正的问题。。。。。.

等着你把北约解散呢。

 

[爱喝牛奶的wawdj]

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