彻底无语了：布什要求哈马斯停止用火箭弹袭击以色列
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一点也不意外，布什最大的政绩就是屠杀了数意百万计的伊拉克人民。同时支持以色列对阿拉伯人进行种族清洗。今年维也纳新年音乐会乐队指挥说的好：“希望２００９年世界和平，希望２００９年能给中东带来真正的正义”。
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幸亏中国有自己的核武器，否则，这几十年，有很多机会让美国用炮弹“解救”中国人民，然后支持在中国租界地的国家用飞机轰炸在内地的抵抗力量。多可怕吧。
They hate us for our bombs
A letter I received last year rebuked me for calling George Bush's explanation of 9/11 – They hate us for our freedoms – “doltish.” Its writer said leaders must speak concisely and simply. “What would you say?” he challenged. I've chewed on this and chosen: “They hate us for our bombs.” It came to me during the bombing of Gaza this week. I use “hate” to parallel the Bush usage. “Consider us their enemies,” would be better.
This is so in Kandahar, where Canadians keep dying, and “they,” or some of them, don't hate us for our good intentions, but for the bombs that land on wedding parties. It's so in Gaza, where people often show bomb remnants marked “Made in U.S.A.” That's why they see “us” as enemies, like Israel. That, plus “our” support for Israel's bombing. George Bush said it was fine with him. “No comment,” said Barack Obama, squandering some of the goodwill toward him. “First and foremost, those rocket attacks must stop,” said Canada's Foreign Minister. It's the “first and foremost” that invited rage. Most people, including Palestinians, know that rocketing others is bad – but so is being bombed. This is about understanding how people think, not debating it.
Or consider this. Gaza is roughly half the area of Toronto, with a population closing in on 60 per cent of Toronto's. To get comparable deaths for the current assault, you'd somewhat less than double: 450 there would be like 750 here, etc. In the first hour of bombing last Saturday, the morgues ran out of room. Then a university, mosques and a TV station were bombed.
The ratios between Palestinian and Israeli dead run between 100 and 150 to one, and have since Israel “withdrew” in 2005. That huge disparity is the difference between bombs and far less damaging rockets. It's what happens when you leave a place, surround it, close it off like a prison and bomb it at will.
Context also matters, and how the bombed see the motives of the bombers.
In a 2006 election that everyone agrees was fair, Palestinians chose a Hamas government. “We” immediately withheld aid to show disapproval.
Israel illegally withheld revenues like customs. The U.S. built up anti-Hamas forces. A virtual Palestinian civil war ensued, and Hamas took over Gaza, not exactly first prize. Israel tightened its existing Gaza blockade on most goods and all exports with the explicit purpose, repeated this week by its Prime Minister to explain the bombing, of pressuring Gazans to turn on Hamas. This amounts to punishing innocent people for political ends, which is pretty close to the conventional definition of terrorism.
Let me add, quick as a bunny, that I find “those rockets” sent by Hamas into Israeli kindergartens and bus stops just as odious as those bombs smashing Gaza. Terror is terror, it always sucks. Ordinary people deserve to live their lives unterrorized. Plus, in the case of Palestinians, mass non-violent protest would be far more effective than puny rockets. There is room for peaceful compromise on every side – it's all on the record – but the leaders choose to go other routes and “we” – the West – are likely the only ones who could apply the necessary pressure but we won't, or haven't. So in a way, “our” hands are bloodiest of all, since we have so little to lose.
Osama bin Laden says he sat in Beirut in 1982 watching U.S. bombs smash the “towers of Lebanon” and decided “they” would only stop doing it when it was done back to them. And an Israeli minister said last February that Hamas's rockets would bring upon Gaza a “holocaust.” Of course, both were wrong, factually and morally. But it seems utterly typical of human beings to want to do unto others as was done to them. It makes you realize how radical, and even unnatural, is that rule: Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. I used to think it was trite, and obvious.
globeandmail.com: They hate us for our bombs
A letter I received last year rebuked me for calling George Bush's explanation of 9/11 – They hate us for our freedoms – “doltish.” Its writer said leaders must speak concisely and simply. “What would you say?” he challenged. I've chewed on this and chosen: “They hate us for our bombs.” It came to me during the bombing of Gaza this week. I use “hate” to parallel the Bush usage. “Consider us their enemies,” would be better.
This is so in Kandahar, where Canadians keep dying, and “they,” or some of them, don't hate us for our good intentions, but for the bombs that land on wedding parties. It's so in Gaza, where people often show bomb remnants marked “Made in U.S.A.” That's why they see “us” as enemies, like Israel. That, plus “our” support for Israel's bombing. George Bush said it was fine with him. “No comment,” said Barack Obama, squandering some of the goodwill toward him. “First and foremost, those rocket attacks must stop,” said Canada's Foreign Minister. It's the “first and foremost” that invited rage. Most people, including Palestinians, know that rocketing others is bad – but so is being bombed. This is about understanding how people think, not debating it.
Or consider this. Gaza is roughly half the area of Toronto, with a population closing in on 60 per cent of Toronto's. To get comparable deaths for the current assault, you'd somewhat less than double: 450 there would be like 750 here, etc. In the first hour of bombing last Saturday, the morgues ran out of room. Then a university, mosques and a TV station were bombed.
The ratios between Palestinian and Israeli dead run between 100 and 150 to one, and have since Israel “withdrew” in 2005. That huge disparity is the difference between bombs and far less damaging rockets. It's what happens when you leave a place, surround it, close it off like a prison and bomb it at will.
Context also matters, and how the bombed see the motives of the bombers.
In a 2006 election that everyone agrees was fair, Palestinians chose a Hamas government. “We” immediately withheld aid to show disapproval.
Israel illegally withheld revenues like customs. The U.S. built up anti-Hamas forces. A virtual Palestinian civil war ensued, and Hamas took over Gaza, not exactly first prize. Israel tightened its existing Gaza blockade on most goods and all exports with the explicit purpose, repeated this week by its Prime Minister to explain the bombing, of pressuring Gazans to turn on Hamas. This amounts to punishing innocent people for political ends, which is pretty close to the conventional definition of terrorism.
Let me add, quick as a bunny, that I find “those rockets” sent by Hamas into Israeli kindergartens and bus stops just as odious as those bombs smashing Gaza. Terror is terror, it always sucks. Ordinary people deserve to live their lives unterrorized. Plus, in the case of Palestinians, mass non-violent protest would be far more effective than puny rockets. There is room for peaceful compromise on every side – it's all on the record – but the leaders choose to go other routes and “we” – the West – are likely the only ones who could apply the necessary pressure but we won't, or haven't. So in a way, “our” hands are bloodiest of all, since we have so little to lose.
Osama bin Laden says he sat in Beirut in 1982 watching U.S. bombs smash the “towers of Lebanon” and decided “they” would only stop doing it when it was done back to them. And an Israeli minister said last February that Hamas's rockets would bring upon Gaza a “holocaust.” Of course, both were wrong, factually and morally. But it seems utterly typical of human beings to want to do unto others as was done to them. It makes you realize how radical, and even unnatural, is that rule: Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. I used to think it was trite, and obvious.
globeandmail.com: They hate us for our bombs
个人对巴以冲突的看法，跟美国政府关系不大。而且相信０８年奥运和藏独事件之后，很多中国人（包括愤青们）对美国政府持怀疑和否定态度。
巴以冲突不是一句两句就说明白的。但这次的冲突事件，巴方应该承担很大责任的。以色列一直是比较克制的，巴方却是不断的挑衅。到我们看到所谓的巴方伤亡人数时，有没有想过也有很多无辜的以色列人被巴方杀害呢？
哈马斯一直不停叫嚣要彻底摧毁以色列，从它成立的第一天起。加拿大政府( Public Safety Canada)列出了４０个恐怖组织，其中２７个是穆斯林组织，
１１个则跟巴勒斯坦直接相关。 穆斯林一直说伊斯兰是和平的宗教。在我听来，这绝对是笑话。
接触过的巴勒斯坦人也是相当aggresive的。他们一直认为约旦对巴的援助不够，就开始攻击一位约旦朋友。我个人也是收到过他们的指责邮件，问我凭什么说哈马斯是恐怖组织。偶回答：You need to argue with CSIS or public Safety about them defining terrorist organization. Not with me. 结果又是一番email 袭击。今天又发邮件让我签啥名，催促加拿大出兵帮助巴勒斯坦。郁闷吧，我们交税养他们还不够阿！这些人想不到，他们越push，旁观者对巴的同情越少 。巴方也很擅长苦肉计。他们拿自己的孩子，老婆当人肉炸弹不是什么新鲜事情了。当一个国家或者民族以此为荣的时候，就非常可怕了，因为这是完全违背人性的。 他们的这种做法，想法，跟当年的日本差不远了。
翻过来说以色列。犹太人作为一个民族是很值得敬佩的。论种族歧视，恐怕没有几个民族／种族有过比他们更残酷惨痛的经历。一直到３０年前，Mcgill这样的学校还有对犹太人非常苛刻的录取条件，目的就是限制犹太人入学。但我们很少听到犹太人抓住这段历史不放。为什么呢？套用 ER 里面一位犹太老太太的话（大意）：After you saw the worst side of human beings, you live. You work, get married and have Children. And this is your revage. 这种精神，我是很佩服的。相比之下，穆斯林还在唠叨long long long time ago的事吧。
不是说以色列袭击是对的。实在是巴勒斯坦人自酿的苦果。（他们还在叫嚣把约旦和埃及的都收回来了，这才让人无语呢...）
巴以冲突不是一句两句就说明白的。但这次的冲突事件，巴方应该承担很大责任的。以色列一直是比较克制的，巴方却是不断的挑衅。到我们看到所谓的巴方伤亡人数时，有没有想过也有很多无辜的以色列人被巴方杀害呢？
哈马斯一直不停叫嚣要彻底摧毁以色列，从它成立的第一天起。加拿大政府( Public Safety Canada)列出了４０个恐怖组织，其中２７个是穆斯林组织，
１１个则跟巴勒斯坦直接相关。 穆斯林一直说伊斯兰是和平的宗教。在我听来，这绝对是笑话。
接触过的巴勒斯坦人也是相当aggresive的。他们一直认为约旦对巴的援助不够，就开始攻击一位约旦朋友。我个人也是收到过他们的指责邮件，问我凭什么说哈马斯是恐怖组织。偶回答：You need to argue with CSIS or public Safety about them defining terrorist organization. Not with me. 结果又是一番email 袭击。今天又发邮件让我签啥名，催促加拿大出兵帮助巴勒斯坦。郁闷吧，我们交税养他们还不够阿！这些人想不到，他们越push，旁观者对巴的同情越少 。巴方也很擅长苦肉计。他们拿自己的孩子，老婆当人肉炸弹不是什么新鲜事情了。当一个国家或者民族以此为荣的时候，就非常可怕了，因为这是完全违背人性的。 他们的这种做法，想法，跟当年的日本差不远了。
翻过来说以色列。犹太人作为一个民族是很值得敬佩的。论种族歧视，恐怕没有几个民族／种族有过比他们更残酷惨痛的经历。一直到３０年前，Mcgill这样的学校还有对犹太人非常苛刻的录取条件，目的就是限制犹太人入学。但我们很少听到犹太人抓住这段历史不放。为什么呢？套用 ER 里面一位犹太老太太的话（大意）：After you saw the worst side of human beings, you live. You work, get married and have Children. And this is your revage. 这种精神，我是很佩服的。相比之下，穆斯林还在唠叨long long long time ago的事吧。
不是说以色列袭击是对的。实在是巴勒斯坦人自酿的苦果。（他们还在叫嚣把约旦和埃及的都收回来了，这才让人无语呢...）
RE: 布什要求哈马斯停止用火箭弹袭击以色列
Listen 我本善良VII and northernwolf, you pair of villains:
Breaking News | Latest News | Current News - FOXNews.com
Heroic Treason? Son of Hamas leader converts to Christianity and lives in the U.S.
Also watch Sunday's Fox TV special, same story.
Did you go to this afternoon's rally, "Rallies are planned in Ottawa, Toronto and Vancouver today, where protesters are expected to condemn the violence and denounce Israel's assault against Hamas militants in Gaza. The Ottawa Sun reports a demonstration will begin at 1pm on Parliament Hill."
Your are just 2 loosers, only sitting behind computers, trying to brain wash us.
You know, we piss off you and the influence behind you.
Listen 我本善良VII and northernwolf, you pair of villains:
Breaking News | Latest News | Current News - FOXNews.com
Heroic Treason? Son of Hamas leader converts to Christianity and lives in the U.S.
Also watch Sunday's Fox TV special, same story.
Did you go to this afternoon's rally, "Rallies are planned in Ottawa, Toronto and Vancouver today, where protesters are expected to condemn the violence and denounce Israel's assault against Hamas militants in Gaza. The Ottawa Sun reports a demonstration will begin at 1pm on Parliament Hill."
Your are just 2 loosers, only sitting behind computers, trying to brain wash us.
You know, we piss off you and the influence behind you.
