高中生，爱好数学？

[math lover]

Colonel By Secondary School math lovers have organized a math club and set up a website -- Colonel By Math Club ~ CBMC, where challenging math problems and solutions are posted.

Colonel By Math Club ~ CBMC also strives to be a friend to high school students and their parents, because it provides plenty of information, via google,
regarding upcoming math contests and how-to-raise-math-mark books.

Colonel By Math Club ~ CBMC is an open forum. It looks forward to input from high school students around the world.

 

[caa888]

这水平也就国内的初中1年纪水平

 

[math lover]

caa888

Thank you for the comment, for it reminds me of the fact that we are in Canada, not in China.

Your comment nevertheless makes me wonder if Canadian high school math is only comparable to that of junior high in China, then Canadian university math education should be on a par with the Chinese counterpart offered in high schools. If this reasoning is correct (which I assume you would have no objection to), could you explain why people with university math education would take all the trouble to come to Canada to seek further education?

Colonel By offers the IB program. To graduate, the students in the program have to pass examinations prepared and read by teachers who may be in another country.

Colonel By Math Club ~ CBMC is at its infant stage. It is a platform, where problems and solutions are submitted by peer students so as to help each other. As we all know, there are students and students. It is therefore only natual what is challenging to A is not neccessarily the case to B. Colonel By Math Club ~ CBMC does not seem to claim that it is the place where the most challenging math problems are discussed.

Kids need encouragement. They do not deserve to be slighted, especially by someone who seems to be "math-educated" in Canada.

 

[eddy]

Colonel By has been rated academically as The top school in Canada, students who graduate the math course at CB are eligible to skip first year university math, What the hell do you caa888 know about CB math? you yourself probably couldn't do half the problems on the website. -_-

 

[caa888]

I would like to say Canadian Math education is totally bullshit.

I once marked University MATH 10XX(Calculus) in a Canadian University, half of student don't even know how to calculate the problem like log(10^(x+2))=10, some even have problem in calculating 1/10-1/20 without calculator. While those problems are easy for junior high school student in China.

In University Level, Math is never a problem for any Chinese Immigrant. I have a graduate degree from Canada in Math and I know details. Almost all Chinese university students in all major take 高等数学 in the first year. but in Canada, 高等数学 are divided into at least 4 courses, like Calculus I, Calculus II, differential equation, Advance differential equation, most students here only take Calculus I or Calculus II. differential equation, Advance differential equation are only for students in Math Major.


I would suggest you translate the China Higher Education Entrance Examination to English and ask students in IB program to solve them and you can see what their math level are.

 

[sha tracy]

虽然加拿大的数学教育水平可能远不及中国的某些重点中学之类，但是教育的目的不在于仅仅培养某些精英，而在于提高全民的文化教育水平。中国的高考数学题确实难，水平高，可是有多少人因此被拒之于高等教育门外？

 

[caa888]

Colonel By has been rated academically as The top school in Canada, students who graduate the math course at CB are eligible to skip first year university math, What the hell do you caa888 know about CB math? you yourself probably couldn't do half the problems on the website. -_-

skip first year university math.... the first year University math here is like a joke, I bet any 高中1-2年级 in China can solve the problem. I marked first exam papers of first year University Math course for 4 semesters in Canada, and I see tons of university student make very very stupid mistakes, for example, they don't know how to calculate exponential, log, or even 1/20..... But the difficulty of second year math is increased abruptly, this is why many Canadian university students complain.

 

[caa888]

光比数学好就什么都行了吗? 你的第一个字不难听吗? 建议你把这个帖子重新编辑一下. 谢谢.

呵呵 不过是想表达我对加拿大高中数学教育的不屑. 加拿大高中数学教育的结果 就是有相当的大学新生,连exponential, logarithm, 1/20 之类的简单问题都不会算

 

[Stand for fight]

caa's point is interesting, yes u see some facts that a chinese student who can memorize 乘法口訣 would be a genius in north america junior school. and the math edu in china before high school is much deeper then here. but this doesnt mean anything, and u say canadian math edu is bullshit is completely rediculous. learning deep is good but theres nothing to do with education system.
math is about interest. knowing how to solve wierd tricky math problems are not being good at math. math is about application problem solving machine is not wht we trying to be. math is about modest because of so many of u think, thats why western people keep telling us "ur textbooks r much more and u solve problems much faster, but u still buy our products"
there are two kinds of people in the world, who are good at math and who are not good at math. ib program is to help appeal their interests in math. why dont u take seriously on that? besidesly,i dont know which university's math courses are as easy as u said, but i am currently in math major in uw, and my chinese highschool friend is in tsinghua u. our math courses are not too much different.

 

[math lover]

Many kids here can do fraction and decimal problems even before they attend Grade One, yet I do not think that their parents would conclude that their kids beat high school students or some university students in math.

As I have said before, Colonel By Math Club ~ CBMC is a forum intended for peer students interested in math. Even if Canadian math education is not commendable, it does not mean a website like Colonel By Math Club ~ CBMC should be slighted.

By the way, if "Canadian math education is totally bullshit," as Caa888 has declared, what's the point of your coming all the way to Canada to study for "graduate degree in math"? If bullshit is bullshit, what is bullshit plus bullshit (built on bullshit)? Bullshit, or gold? It's a question best left for Caa888 to answer.

As adults, let's support kids' efforts.

 

[caa888]

Many kids here can do fraction and decimal problems even before they attend Grade One, yet I do not think that their parents would conclude that their kids beat high school students or some university students in math.

As I have said before, Colonel By Math Club ~ CBMC is a forum intended for peer students interested in math. Even if Canadian math education is not commendable, it does not mean a website like Colonel By Math Club ~ CBMC should be slighted.

By the way, if "Canadian math education is totally bullshit," as Caa888 has declared, what's the point of your coming all the way to Canada to study for "graduate degree in math"? If bullshit is bullshit, what is bullshit plus bullshit (built on bullshit)? Bullshit, or gold? It's a question best left for Caa888 to answer.

As adults, let's support kids' efforts.

I don't doubt students in your math club have interest in Math, I have want to say some facts in Canadian high school math education. If you want to improve high school kids math, most simple way is to ask them to solve 中国高中数学 problem.

One correction, I mean high school math education in Canada is bullshit, 加拿大高中数学教育的结果 就是有几乎一半的大学新生,连exponential, logarithm, 甚至1/20-1/40(without calculator) 之类的简单问题都不会算(this statistics is based on my 4 semesters of marking quiz,midterm,final exam papers in one good ranking Ontario University in Calculus I), "math lover",you could try an experiment, ask your student to calculate this:
1/20-1/1000-1/5-1/40 by hand without calculator or any aids, and tell me what is the proportion of kids get the right answer.

University math education in Canada is total a different story. The difficulty of 2nd year Math course increases abruptly, students have to work very very hard to pass them, many students complain about this, I would like to say, if the high school math curriculum get them a chance to work hard, they won't have great trouble in this stage.

And I would like to say, a lot of math researchers in Canada is immigrants from China, Russian, Europe,Indian, Native Canadian usually don't choose math as their career.
And never underestimate math researchers in China, Chinese author and Chinese research institute are very popular in most of the top math journal in the world, but Native Canadian author is very very rare. (I mean native Canadian, a lot of math professors in Canadian University, but their undergrate/graduate degree are from other countries).

 

[hcloud]

You know that the math competitions in Ontario is among the toughest around the world, right?

 

[math lover]

这水平也就国内的初中1年纪水平
此帖于 2009-05-23 21:36 被 caa888 编辑.

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We all went through the Chinese education system, and know what that math level is like.

My advice to you is: take some time and read the problems on Colonel By Math Club ~ CBMC. Only by doing this first can you make some convincing statements.

 

[Charlie66]

支持楼主，并感谢他（她）的劳动。
虽然我还用不上，孩子还小。

 

[C est La Vie]

I don't understand....WHY students have to work hard on math in high school?

Math is not everything. There are so much about life than math. If you are not into science, why bother? better spend time elsewhere. If you like music, visual arts, sports or simply do not want to go to university, you would appreciate the Canadian education system.

Life should be fun as a youngster. why spend all your time doing the math, which you would probably NEVER make use of? while you could play sport, which help your health and growth.

The Canadian education system is more scientific and humane than the Chinese education system.

I would say Canadians generally are smarter than Chinese in other areas of life.