From 20billion surplus to 50 billion deficit, how much did you get?

[mooncake]

Flaherty pegs deficit at $50-billion - The Globe and Mail

 

[密码人]

Don't worry, they will do it like they did in 2003, the deficit will disappear using another accounting convention. And if we are lucky, it may even be a surplus.

 

[巴菲]

DEFICIT絕對不是件好事，但大家必須注意到是哪個政黨更想要DEFICIT一些，或者說更不關注DEFICIT一些：前些時候是誰叫得最兇SPENDING不夠，最近又是誰極力主張放寬EI。

我的觀點是，經濟蕭條時政府是得多花點兒刺激一下經濟，但要刺激就得承擔CONSEQUENCE，不要吃了桃子就抱怨要花力氣施肥，那是不負責任的政黨的表現。

 

[mooncake]

EI is not government funded. There is a huge EI surplus, thanks for low unemployement rate for the last decade. Everyone knows we need spending, but to what? That was my question, for such huge spending, did you get your fair share, now or later? You or your children/grandchildren are the ones to pay it back. I don't care to 花力氣施肥 if I have a fair share of 桃子吃, that was my point. If I paid $2,000 but have only 1lb 桃子, while some other guys who are much richer than I, get tons of 桃子 while pay little or none, that's unfair to me. Alternatively, if I cannot change the game, I try to join those who eat more but pay less.

DEFICIT絕對不是件好事，但大家必須注意到是哪個政黨更想要DEFICIT一些，或者說更不關注DEFICIT一些：前些時候是誰叫得最兇SPENDING不夠，最近又是誰極力主張放寬EI。

我的觀點是，經濟蕭條時政府是得多花點兒刺激一下經濟，但要刺激就得承擔CONSEQUENCE，不要吃了桃子就抱怨要花力氣施肥，那是不負責任的政黨的表現。

 

[巴菲]

EI is not government funded. There is a huge EI surplus, thanks for low unemployement rate for the last decade. Everyone knows we need spending, but to what? That was my question, for such huge spending, did you get your fair share, now or later? You or your children/grandchildren are the ones to pay it back. I don't care to 花力氣施肥 if I have a fair share of 桃子吃, that was my point. If I paid $2,000 but have only 1lb 桃子, while some other guys who are much richer than I, get tons of 桃子 while pay little or none, that's unfair to me. Alternatively, if I cannot change the game, I try to join those who eat more but pay less.

解釋很多，但沒有看出你的觀點：你是覺得政府在當前形勢下不應該SPENDING嗎，應該像一個COMPANY那樣創造很多PROFIT-SURPLUS嗎？這樣是可以避免DEFICIT。
或者你是覺得應該SPENDING，DEFICIT暫時是可以容忍的。只是你沒有從SPENDING中得到應有的一份。這樣的話，我也同意。我也想找一個地方eat more but pay less。

但是我絕對不同意的觀點是，如果我沒有從SPENDING中得到fair-share，我就轉而支持政府緊縮開支， MAKE-profit。至少在當前經濟形勢下這樣做是行不通的，這樣經濟就會越來越糟，越來越多的人會失去工作，找到工作的機會就越來越渺茫。1929年的大蕭條就是在這種理念下發生的。

 

[mooncake]

once upon a time, there was a hen who invited a pig to share ham&fired eggs. She would contribute eggs while pig whould contribute a leg. Of cause, the pig refused.
Obviously, there are some Candian who are smarter then the hen, while a lot of others are not as smart as the pig.

解釋很多，但沒有看出你的觀點：你是覺得政府在當前形勢下不應該SPENDING嗎，應該像一個COMPANY那樣創造很多PROFIT-SURPLUS嗎？這樣是可以避免DEFICIT。
或者你是覺得應該SPENDING，DEFICIT暫時是可以容忍的。只是你沒有從SPENDING中得到應有的一份。這樣的話，我也同意。我也想找一個地方eat more but pay less。

但是我絕對不同意的觀點是，如果我沒有從SPENDING中得到fair-share，我就轉而支持政府緊縮開支， MAKE-profit。至少在當前經濟形勢下這樣做是行不通的，這樣經濟就會越來越糟，越來越多的人會失去工作，找到工作的機會就越來越渺茫。1929年的大蕭條就是在這種理念下發生的。

 

[ccc]

I didn't even get a penny.

 

[shoppingcart]

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[mooncake]

远的不说，联邦政府（还有省政府）为我们渥村拨款基础建设，包括主要公路翻修，轻轨开工，污水处理，等等，虽然我不会收到一文现钱，但有利整个城市发展，对保住我的饭碗也好处，对我的生活便利舒适有好处，应该支持。

这也该算你我拿到的桃子吧。

Yes that counts.
But not the light rail project. The 200M was planned/reserved years before recession.

 

[mooncake]

SB

又开始选战了？
CFC自由党的扇子不少，群殴吧！
向台湾深绿扇子学习！

 

[密码人]

I think the shortfall came from falling revenue resulting from more unemployed people and less corporate tax incomes.

 

[ccc]

远的不说，联邦政府（还有省政府）为我们渥村拨款基础建设，包括主要公路翻修，轻轨开工，污水处理，等等，虽然我不会收到一文现钱，但有利整个城市发展，对保住我的饭碗也好处，对我的生活便利舒适有好处，应该支持。

这也该算你我拿到的桃子吧。

其他可能沾点光，保住我的饭碗的效应不会发生。

就等着经济爬上去，政府增税了。