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请问您是从哪儿抄的?是中国革命史还是唐人街中文小报?
你需要学习,不要骂人,不要臆测
关于北美殖民地时代的宗教信仰自由问题
http://hi.baidu.com/t_ignatius/blog/item/d5ccea19eae2057cdbb4bdfa.html
《美国社会》认为:“在北美,信仰什么宗教关系不大。在那里,你可以随心所欲;在那里,有天主教、新教和犹太教的位置。”(第11页)该书主要是从早期移民寄往母国的一些信件中得出这一结论的。其实,这并不完全合乎历史事实。该书认为宗教信仰自由是吸引移民前往北美的重要原因之一。事实上,从宗教因素来说,迫使移民前往北美的动因是不堪忍受欧洲的宗教迫害,而所谓北美宗教自由指的是:如果你在北美某个殖民地受到宗教迫害,你可以到另一殖民地去谋生,甚或创建一个新殖民地,并非说某一宗教的人在北美任何地方都是自由的,可以畅所欲言的。

的确,不管你信仰什么宗教,属于什么教派,都可以移民北美。然而,北美并非就是宗教自由的天堂,其宗教专制主义一度比欧洲有过之而无不及。

在北美殖民地,除罗得岛、特拉华和新泽西没有指定正统教会外,其他殖民地均设有正统教会。北部殖民地的正统教会是清教教会;南部以主教教会为正统教会;在中部,宾夕法尼亚和纽约分别以贵格会和主教教会为正统教会。殖民当局往往把正统教会的教义作为治理殖民地和规范殖民地社会道德准则的理论依据,与正统教会的教义相抵触的非正统教会的教义则被视为异端邪说乃至斥为巫术,信奉非正统教会教义的人自然就是异端分子,亦自然遭殖民当局的驱逐甚至无情迫害。所以,清教徒在南部遭驱逐,主教教徒在北部横遭放逐,贵格会教徒在宾夕法尼亚、罗得岛之外无立锥之地,是情理中事。

实际上,宗教专制主义在北美殖民地初创时期即已露其端倪。1609年弗吉尼亚的特许状规定,移民登船去美洲前,必须宣誓忠于上帝和英国国教会。17世纪60年代后期至80年代前期,由于下层民众的斗争而出现了较为宽松的气氛。但到了17世纪末18世纪初,又再度猖獗。在宗教专制主义猖獗时期,非正统教派——其载体主要是下层群众——受尽了歧视和迫害。1702年,纽约总督规定,居民必须信奉主教。其他殖民地(除个别几个)亦都制定了类似的法规。非正统派教徒在所在殖民地社会、政治生活中被剥夺许多正当的权利,如被禁止当牧师和主持婚礼,被剥夺选举权和担任公职的权利。

迫害异教徒的刑罚异常残酷。涂上柏油后拉到街上游行示众、鞭笞、罚款、投入大牢、割耳、割鼻、剁掉四肢、服苦役、用烧红的铁条穿舌、放逐、绞刑,诸如此类,中世纪式的残酷刑罚在宗教专制时期的北美殖民地都被施行于异教徒。1631年,一位名叫菲利普·拉德利夫的人,就因“恶意中伤政府和教会”之罪而被割去耳朵,罚款40先令,并被驱逐出马萨诸塞。[14]1647年至1663年、1688年至1693年间,在马萨诸塞殖民地的带领下,新英格兰地区发生了殖民地历史上极为悲惨的迫害异教徒的所谓“巫觋事件”,仅1692年发生的塞勒姆血案中,清教徒就残酷杀害了20名无辜的异教徒,罪名是“以巫术蛊惑邻居”。[15]迄至巫觋事件结束,共有34人被绞死或杀害,205人被判罪,另有2条狗也被当作巫觋而处死。1741年,在纽约又发生迫害异教徒的惨案,先后有194人被捕入狱,35人被处死,70人被流放。

因此,在殖民地时代的北美,殖民者们尽管怀着对自由、民权的满腔热忱的追求而奔赴新世界闯天下,但新世界并非他们所想像的那样是自由的乐土。在殖民地时代并不存在一以贯之的宗教信仰自由政策。在北美殖民地,之所以能存在相对宽松、自由的宗教生活,一方面是由于人民群众不断斗争的结果;另一方面,更为重要的是广袤的自由土地的存在,她不仅为异教徒提供了躲避迫害和按自己的理想建设新家园的去处,而且由于广袤的自由土地亟需劳动力去拓殖,因此业主或殖民当局亦不得不以相对宽容、自由的宗教政策来招徕移民定居。可见,设若没有广袤的、尚待拓殖的自由土地的存在,那么因不堪宗教迫害之苦而远涉重洋、移民北美,但在所到殖民地属于非正统教会的教徒,其处境将不会比他们在欧洲时处境好多少。综述而言,在北美殖民地,人们信仰什么宗教并非关系不大;相反,是关系甚大。对于相当一部分创业者来说,宗教信仰自由仍然是一项必须经过坚持不懈的斗争方能获得的权利,并且在实际上,大批酷爱自由的移民为此而献出了宝贵的生命。
 
请问您是从哪儿抄的?是中国革命史还是唐人街中文小报?

你应该少骂人多学习,下面是弗州的法律之一

The Laws of Virginia (1610-1611)
http://puritanism.online.fr/puritanism/sources/valaws1611.html
Whereas his Majesty, like himself a most zealous prince, has in his own realms a principal care of true religion and reverence to God and has always strictly commanded his generals and governors, with all his forces wheresoever, to let their ways be, like his ends, for the glory of God.

And forasmuch as no good service can be performed, or were well managed, where military discipline is not observed, and military discipline cannot be kept where the rules or chief parts thereof be not certainly set down and generally know, I have, with the advice and counsel of Sir Thomas Gates, Knight, Lieutenant-General, adhered unto the laws divine and orders politic and martial of his lordship, the same exemplified, as addition of such others as I found either the necessity of the present state of the colony to require or the infancy and weakness of the body thereof as yet able to digest, and do now publish them to all persons in the colony, that they may as well take knowledge of the laws themselves as of the penalty and punishment, which, without partiality, shall be inflicted upon the breakers of the same.

1 First, Since we owe our highest and supreme duty, our greatest, and all our allegiance to him from whom all power and authority is derived and flows as from the first and only fountain, and being especial soldiers impressed in this sacred cause, we must alone expect our success from him, who is only the blesser of all good attempts, the king of kings, the commander of commanders, and lord of hosts, I do strictly command and charge all captains and officers, of what quality or nature soever, whether commanders in the field or in town or towns, forts or fortresses, to have a care that the Almighty God be duly and daily served and that they call upon their people to hear sermons, as that also they diligently frequent morning and evening prayer themselves by their own exemplar and daily life and duty herein, encouraging others thereunto, and that such who shall often and willfully absent themselves be duly punished according to the martial law in that case provided.

2 That no man speak impiously or maliciously against the holy and blessed Trinity or any of the three persons, that is to say, against God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost, or against the known articles of the Christian faith, upon pain of death.

3 That no man blaspheme God's holy name upon pain of death, or use unlawful oaths, taking the name of God in vain, curse, or bane upon pain of severe punishment for the first offense so committed and for the second to have a bodkin thrust through his tongue; and if he continue the blaspheming of God's holy name, for the third time so offending, he shall be brought to a martial court and there receive censure of death of his offense.

4 No man shall use any traitorous words against his Majesty's person or royal authority, upon pain of death.

5 No man shall speak any word or do any act which may tend to the derision or despite of God's holy word, upon pain of death; nor shall any man unworthily demean himself unto any preacher or minister of the same, but generally hold them in all reverent regard and dutiful entreaty; otherwise he the offender shall openly be whipped three times and ask public forgiveness in the assembly of the congregation three several Sabbath days.

6 Every man and woman duly, twice a day upon the first tolling of the bell, shall upon the working days repair unto the church to hear divine service upon pain of losing his or her day's allowance for the first omission, for the second to be whipped, and for the third to be condemned to the galleys for six months. Likewise, no man or woman shall dare to violate or break the Sabbath by any gaming, public or private abroad or at home, but duly sanctify and observe the same, both himself and his family, by preparing themselves at home with private prayer that they may be the better fitted for the public, according to the commandments of God and the orders of our church. As also every man and woman shall repair in the morning to the divine service and sermons preached upon the Sabbath day in the afternoon to divine service and catechizing, upon pain for the first fault to lose their provision and allowance for the whole week following, for the second to lose the said allowance and also to be whipped, and for the third to suffer death.

7 All preachers and ministers within this our colony or colonies shall, in the forts where they are resident, after divine service, duly preach every Sabbath day in the forenoon and catechise in the afternoon and weekly say the divine service twice every day and preach every Wednesday. Likewise, every minister where he is resident, within the same fort or fortress, towns or town, shall choose unto him four of the most religious and better disposed as well to inform of the abuses and neglects of the people in their duties and service of God, as also to the due reparation and keeping of the church handsome and fitted with all reverent observances thereunto belonging. Likewise, every minister shall keep a faithful and true record of church book of all christenings, marriages, and deaths of such our people as shall happen within their fort or fortress, towns or town, at any time, upon the burden of a neglectful conscience and upon pain of losing their entertainment.

8 He that, upon pretended malice, shall murder or take away the life of any man, shall be punished with death.

9 No man shall commit the horrible and detestable sins of sodomy, upon pain of death; and he or she that can be lawfully convict of adultery shall be punished with death. No man shall ravish or force any woman, maid or Indian, or other, upon pain of death; and know that he or she that shall commit fornication, and evident proof made thereof, for their first fault shall be whipped, for their second they shall be whipped, and for their third they shall be whipped three times a week for one month and ask public forgiveness in the assembly of the congregation.

10 No man shall be found guilty of sacrilege, which is a trespass as well committed in violating and abusing any sacred ministry, duty, or office of the church irreverently or prophanely, as by being a church robber to filch, steal, or carry away anything out of the church appertaining thereunto or unto any holy and consecrated place to the divine service of God, which no man shall do upon pain of death. Likewise, he that shall rob the store of any commodities therein of what quality soever, whether provisions of victuals, or of arms, trucking stuff, apparel, linen, or woolen, hose or shoes, hats or caps, instruments or tools of steel, iron, etc., or shall rob from his fellow soldier or neighbor anything that is his, victuals, apparel, household stuff, tool, or what necessary else soever, by water or land, out of boat, house, or knapsack, shall be punished with death. . . .

11 Every minister or preacher shall, every Sabbath day before catechising, read all these laws and ordinances publicly in the assembly of the congregation upon pain of his entertainment checked for that week.



From "Articles, Lawes, and Orders, Divine, Politique, and Martiall for the Colony of Virginea," in William Strachey, For the Colony in Virginea Britannia: Lawes, Divine, Morall and Martiall, Etc. (London: Walter Barre, 1612), 1-7, 19
 
历史是你随便编的吗?你真是狗急跳墙了-- 不但窜到俺们瞎吵吵论坛打岔,还顺便重写美国历史。

不要只会骂人,读读弗州法第6条
As also every man and woman shall repair in the morning to the divine service and sermons preached upon the Sabbath day in the afternoon to divine service and catechizing, upon pain for the first fault to lose their provision and allowance for the whole week following, for the second to lose the said allowance and also to be whipped, and for the third to suffer death.
 
我同意人生下来就是有罪的。所有人都不例外。

因为你生下来就吃,喝。 完了还要拉撒
把好的、干净的、卫生的、活着的 统统吃掉,然后回馈的是大粪、小便。
 
我同意人生下来就是有罪的。所有人都不例外。

因为你生下来就吃,喝。 完了还要拉撒
把好的、干净的、卫生的、活着的 统统吃掉,然后回馈的是大粪、小便。

这是生理需要,怎么是罪呢?
如果这是罪,那么耶教徒的教主耶和华耶稣也同样又增加了这些罪
耶和华过去要人祭,后来要动物祭
耶稣也是吃喝拉撒俱全
 
你应该少骂人多学习,下面是弗州的法律之一
就您这点儿本事还不如我家上小学的孩子呢。我家上小学的孩子做作业也比你有公信力。

你的链接里有一段你未引用: “Le Projet Albion/Puritan Studies on the Web/Primary Sources". Thank you. -- Lauric Henneton, webmaster“ 这主儿整个一个谣言作坊。而且这主儿的网站只有一页!请不要用野鸡网站来糊弄群众。

文中的
death是指死刑还是指处境危险时?我们俩谁应该进修一下英文了?

请问
Virginea是哪一年成为州?1610-1611年Virginea仅为一移民定居点,住的是军人?民兵?平民?什么历史和人文背景?平行比较中国,1610年中国是什么朝代?

你就这点儿伎俩,把上这坛的主儿都当成幼儿园的小朋友了。您就得了吧。
 
不要只会骂人,读读弗州法第6条

快凌晨2点了,为了我发的一贴急得团团转,又拼凑几贴来糊弄网民,您真是病得不轻啊!
 
就您这点儿本事还不如我家上小学的孩子呢。我家上小学的孩子做作业也比你有公信力。

你的链接里有一段你未引用: “Le Projet Albion/Puritan Studies on the Web/Primary Sources". Thank you. -- Lauric Henneton, webmaster“ 这主儿整个一个谣言作坊。而且这主儿的网站只有一页!请不要用野鸡网站来糊弄群众。

文中的
death是指死刑还是指处境危险时?我们俩谁应该进修一下英文了?

请问
Virginea是哪一年成为州?1610-1611年Virginea仅为一移民定居点,住的是军人?民兵?平民?什么历史和人文背景?平行比较中国,1610年中国是什么朝代?

你就这点儿伎俩,把上这坛的主儿都当成幼儿园的小朋友了。您就得了吧。
你这样说也就能骗骗不了解美国历史的人,所以我简要说一下当时的弗州
1610的弗州是英国清教徒的殖民地,所以标明Albion/Puritan study

弗州法律里的黑体字death就是死刑,你不要欺骗不懂英文的人

不管是谁的殖民地,不管哪一年成为USA的州,弗州那块地是不变的
不管是清教徒还是新教教徒,都是信耶稣的,都是耶教徒
无论你骂人,还是贬低诬蔑,耶教和耶教徒的丑恶历史,你是赖不掉的
 
快凌晨2点了,为了我发的一贴急得团团转,又拼凑几贴来糊弄网民,您真是病得不轻啊!

Baidu上发的感想贴也可以证明什么严肃的话题吗?
你没有看到那个链接下面的注释吗,还是看到了故意这么说
我来引用一下
注释:
[1] 黄兆群著:《纷然杂陈的美国社会——美国民族与文化》,内蒙古大学出版社1994年版。
[2] [8][9][10][11]玛丽·贝思·诺顿:《早期美国白人妇女经历的演变》(Mary Beth Norton,The Evolution of White Women’s Experience in Early America.),载《美国历史评论》第89卷第3期,第593—594、603、597、603、604页。
[3] 参见巴巴拉·B. 彼得森:《美国妇女史研究纵览》,载《世界史研究动态》1989年第8期,第22页。
[4][5][6][7] 威廉·H. 查菲:《妇女与平等:美国文化中变化的模式》(William Henry Chafe,Women and Equality:Changing Patterns in American Culture.),牛津大学出版社1977年版,第16页。
[12] 黄绍湘:《美国史纲1492—1823》,重庆出版社1987年版,第141页。
[13] 菲利浦·S. 方纳:《妇女与美国劳工运动:从殖民地时代至第一次世界大战前夕》(Philip S. Foner,Women and the American Labor Movement:From Colonial Times to the Eve of World War I.),纽约,1979年版,第11页。
[14][15] 顾学稼等编著:《美国史纲要》四川大学出版社1992年版,第35页。
[16] 陈海宏:《北美殖民地宗教的根源和特点》,《史学月刊》1994年第6期。

[附注] 本文原发表在《世界历史》1995年第1期。


无论你骂人,还是贬低诬蔑,耶教和耶教徒的丑恶历史,你是赖不掉的
 
你没有看到那个链接下面的注释吗,还是看到了故意这么说
我来引用一下



无论你骂人,还是贬低诬蔑,耶教和耶教徒的丑恶历史,你是赖不掉的

自觉无理就开始耍赖了是不是?“英国清教徒的殖民地“能是美国吗?那时有什么政府?你难道比上帝还能干把时间倒过来数?1600北美土著人还人吃人呢,那 能是美国吗?

我只是路见不平,看你上窜下跳开口闭口跟耶教过不去,还编瞎话骗人,象疯子一样,所以问你几个问题,把你的卑鄙把戏揭露揭露。
 
你没有看到那个链接下面的注释吗,还是看到了故意这么说
我来引用一下
你没有看到那个链接下面的注释吗,还是看到了故意这么说
我来引用一下
引用:
注释:
[1] 黄兆群著:《纷然杂陈的美国社会——美国民族与文化》,内蒙古大学出版社1994年版。
[2] [8][9][10][11]玛丽·贝思·诺顿:《早期美国白人妇女经历的演变》(Mary Beth Norton,The Evolution of White Women’s Experience in Early America.),载《美国历史评论》第89卷第3期,第593—594、603、597、603、604页。
[3] 参见巴巴拉·B. 彼得森:《美国妇女史研究纵览》,载《世界史研究动态》1989年第8期,第22页。
[4][5][6][7] 威廉·H. 查菲:《妇女与平等:美国文化中变化的模式》(William Henry Chafe,Women and Equality:Changing Patterns in American Culture.),牛津大学出版社1977年版,第16页。
[12] 黄绍湘:《美国史纲1492—1823》,重庆出版社1987年版,第141页。
[13] 菲利浦·S. 方纳:《妇女与美国劳工运动:从殖民地时代至第一次世界大战前夕》(Philip S. Foner,Women and the American Labor Movement:From Colonial Times to the Eve of World War I.),纽约,1979年版,第11页。
[14][15] 顾学稼等编著:《美国史纲要》四川大学出版社1992年版,第35页。
[16] 陈海宏:《北美殖民地宗教的根源和特点》,《史学月刊》1994年第6期。

[附注] 本文原发表在《世界历史》1995年第1期。



无论你骂人,还是贬低诬蔑,耶教和耶教徒的丑恶历史,你是赖不掉的

你这叫先下结论,再东拼西凑证明你的偏见。 典型的有中国社会主义特色的论证方式。

北美有一批象你这样的华人,对这里的人文价值恨得咬牙切齿。但是死活要赖在这里,死活要在这里生儿育女。你真是变态。
 
自觉无理就开始耍赖了是不是?“英国清教徒的殖民地“能是美国吗?那时有什么政府?你难道比上帝还能干把时间倒过来数?1600北美土著人还人吃人呢,那 能是美国吗?

我只是路见不平,看你上窜下跳开口闭口跟耶教过不去,还编瞎话骗人,象疯子一样,所以问你几个问题,把你的卑鄙把戏揭露揭露。


1殖民历史就不是美国历史吗?
2那时各个州就是一个相对独立的政府,弗州属英国殖民地,不论归谁管都是有政府的
3你无论怎么拿“是不是美国”做文章,这弗州法律是基督徒制定的,你否认不了
基督教和基督徒在美洲的罪恶,你赖不掉
你只会耍赖骂人,大家看得清清楚楚
 
你这叫先下结论,再东拼西凑证明你的偏见。 典型的有中国社会主义特色的论证方式。

北美有一批象你这样的华人,对这里的人文价值恨得咬牙切齿。但是死活要赖在这里,死活要在这里生儿育女。你真是变态。
基督教和基督徒在北美的罪恶历史,并不是本贴的初衷
是你骂人、指责在先,我才转了两个贴举例
历史是你随便编的吗?你真是狗急跳墙了-- 不但窜到俺们瞎吵吵论坛打岔,还顺便重写美国历史。
 
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