美国的言论自由

和懂点事,ray902有什么关系啊?我是觉得qlgc搞不清楚,提个醒儿。

最初由 panzer 发布


说得太对了,看来并不是所有的左营人士都和“懂点事”,ray902等人一样。

最初由 qlgc 发布
瞎起什么劲?谁说visitor输了?如果我是mall得主人,我支持bush得强硬态度,你在我的地盘里宣扬我不爱听的言论,我叫我的保安赶你出去,有什么错?你不肯出去,我报警抓你,又和言论自由有什么关系?大家不妨再留意flg在中共使馆门口示威,有没有人敢跨入使馆的范围一步?你在对面,门口任何公众地方,说任何话都可以,但只要跨入使馆一步,使馆人员就马上可以报警抓人,同样这是保护私有财产,和言论自由没有任何关系。
 
“小v上班给母亲写e-mail,老板让小v不要上班写e-mail,小v不同意,老板让小v离开公司,小v又不走,于是老板叫来警察将小v带走。一贯反美的knowsth就可以给新华社发个新闻: 渥太华小v因为给母亲写e-mail,而被警方逮捕。”

“小v上班时看到随身携带的母亲的照片,于是给小v的母亲写e-mail,老板让小v不要上班写e-mail,小v不同意,老板让小v离开公司,小v又不走,于是老板叫来警察将小v带走。一贯反美的knowsth就可以给新华社发个新闻: 渥太华小v因为随身母亲的照片,而被警方逮捕。”

“小v上班时掏自己的钱包,看到随身携带的母亲的照片,于是给小v的母亲写e-mail,老板让小v不要上班写e-mail,小v不同意,老板让小v离开公司,小v又不走,于是老板叫来警察将小v带走。一贯反美的knowsth就可以给新华社发个新闻: 渥太华小v因为掏自己的钱包,而被警方逮捕。”
 
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“小v上班给母亲写e-mail,老板让小v不要上班写e-mail,小v不同意,老板让小v离开公司,小v又不走,于是老板叫来警察将小v带走。一贯反美的knowsth就可以给新华社发个新闻: 渥太华小v因为给母亲写e-mail,而被警方逮捕。”

“小v上班时看到随身携带的母亲的照片,于是给小v的母亲写e-mail,老板让小v不要上班写e-mail,小v不同意,老板让小v离开公司,小v又不走,于是老板叫来警察将小v带走。一贯反美的knowsth就可以给新华社发个新闻: 渥太华小v因为随身母亲的照片,而被警方逮捕。”

“小v上班时掏自己的钱包,看到随身携带的母亲的照片,于是给小v的母亲写e-mail,老板让小v不要上班写e-mail,小v不同意,老板让小v离开公司,小v又不走,于是老板叫来警察将小v带走。一贯反美的knowsth就可以给新华社发个新闻: 渥太华小v因为掏自己的钱包,而被警方逮捕。”
还诡辩?再说一次!
最初由 visitor 发布
ray902对此有何评论? 咱可以打个赌,找个人穿上那种T恤,到美国转一转。我赌不会被抓起来,赌注是$3000美元(多了不现实),有人赌吗? 如果有人加赌注,我陪着。
不要逃避!快说!!已经有人被抓了不是吗?难道你直到现在还认为那篇新闻是假的?难道那个美国人他不是人?
输就输,给点风度出来吧!
 
小V这次把内库都得输掉了。以后还是光狡辩,不要打赌。:)
 
小v以后有两种可能,一是恨老华侨一个洞,从此把老华侨踢出右营;二是怕老华侨一个洞,从此对侨老恭恭敬敬。
 
最初由 Tom_Monkey 发布

问题是如果仅仅因为看某人不顺眼,就赶人走是不是合法.毕竟SHOPPING MALL 是大家自由进出的场所,总得有个RESONABLE的原因吧.

大家自由进出不假,但并不能改变那是私人物业和财产的属性,就像你在美国住酒店,交了房钱你就是房间的暂时主人,别人不得擅闯,否则保竞缉拿,同时如果酒店的主人不愿意和你做生意,拒绝你住店也是他的权利,记住,美国50个州的法律千差万别,在甲州被警察带走并不能证明或者推理出在乙州会有同样的遭遇。
 
比美国政府还美国政府?

下面这几篇可不是"新华社"的.
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http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGAJBUE7YCD.html
Anti-War Activists March Through Mall to Protest Arrest of Man Wearing Peace T-Shirt
By Damita Chambers Associated Press Writer
Published: Mar 5, 2003




GUILDERLAND, N.Y. (AP) - Officials at a mall where a man was arrested for refusing to remove an anti-war T-shirt asked Wednesday that trespassing charges against him be dropped.
Police said managers from Crossgates Mall called and asked that the complaint against Stephen Downs be withdrawn. Police Chief James Murley said he would support the mall's decision.

Earlier Wednesday, about 100 anti-war demonstrators marched through the mall to protest the arrest. They told a mall manager they would stop only when charges against the shopper were dropped and when the mall outlined its policy.

"We just want to know what the policy is and why it's being randomly enforced," said Erin O'Brien, an organizer of the noontime rally. "It's only the people in the recent months who have anti-war or peace T-shirts that are being asked to leave the mall."

A mall spokeswoman did not return repeated calls for comment.

Downs' son, Roger, said dropping the charge would not rectify the arrest. "My father feels there's more to this. Crossgates hasn't examined what was wrong here," he said. "I think he'd like an apology."

He said his father would wait to see how the mall handles the case before deciding whether to sue.

Stephen Downs, 61, and his son were stopped Monday by mall security guards and asked to remove their shirts that read "Peace on Earth" and "Give Peace a Chance," or leave. Roger Downs, 31, took off his shirt. But his father, a lawyer with the state Commission on Judicial Conduct and a former Peace Corps volunteer, refused.

The guards called police, and he was charged with trespassing and pleaded innocent.

Tim Kelley, director of Operations for Pyramid Mall management, the mall's owner, said in a statement that Downs' behavior and clothing was disruptive to other shoppers.

The men had had the T-shirts made at a mall store and wore them while they shopped.

AP-ES-03-05-03 2309EST



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http://www.warblogging.com/archives/000526.php
March 05, 2003
Arrested for Anti-War T-shirts

WNYT-TV and MSNBC report today that two men, Roger and Stephen Downs, were asked to remove T-shirts reading "No War With Iraq" and "Give Peace a Chance" while shopping at a mall in New York State. When Stephen Downs refused to remove the t-shirt he was asked to leave the mall. When he refused he was arrested.

The two T-shirts, purchased for $23 in a store in the mall, apparently was "likely to cause a disturbance". The mall apparently has a policy against "wearing of apparel... likely to provoke disturbances."

"We were just shopping. We were wearing these T-shirts. We weren't handing out leaflets, we weren't saying anything," said Roger Downs.

Security personnel at the mall asked the two men to remove the T-shirts. When the older Downs refused he was ordered to leave the mall. When he refused to leave the mall he was arrested by local police officers for trespassing.

This is, of course, terrible. This follows cases where earlier incidents involving anti-Bush t-shirts and posters that resulted in Secret Service interrogations.

The AP has more detail. Apparently the police officer who arrested Stephen Downs gave him a specific ultimatem: Take off the T-shirt or be arrested. Downs responded by saying "All right then, arrest me if you have to." He says "So that's what they did. They put the handcuffs on and took me away."

Says the AP article:



Monday's arrest came less than three months after about 20 peace activists wearing similar T-shirts were told to leave by mall security and police. There were no arrests.


Come on folks... It's everyone's responsibility to respect free speech, to respect the Bill of Rights and the founding principals of this nation. That goes for shopping mall owners and local police officers too. I just have nothing else to say abuot this. It's un-American. It's terrible. It's depressing. What kind of country do we live in?

Dissent is something to be proud of! Three cheers to Stephen Downs for refusing to remove the T-shirt. Six cheers for doing so under pain of arrest.

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From the "Democracy in America" Department as of 09:58 AM

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http://www.progress.org/2003/aclu37.htm

School Administrators Fail to Respect U.S. Constitution

High School Student Sent Home for Wearing Anti-War T-Shirt


Anti-American bureaucrats have seized control of a high school in Dearborn, Michigan, and deprived a United States citizen of his Constitutional free-speech rights.
In defense of American values, here is a report from the American Civil Liberties Union.



The American Civil Liberties Union today said that it is looking into possible litigation on behalf of Bretton Barber, a junior at Dearborn High School who was told to go home if he did not remove a t-shirt with a picture of President Bush between the words "international terrorist."

"It’s a gutsy thing for a high school student to take on a school administration in this way," said Kary Moss, Executive Director of the ACLU of Michigan. "It’s obvious that Bretton feels very strongly about this issue and we want to make sure that his ability to express his political opinion isn’t hindered in any way."

"I’m hoping that we can resolve this issue without going to court," Moss added. "However, if the school is unwilling to allow students the right to political expression, we’ll have no choice."

The incident arose on February 17, when Barber wore the t-shirt to school to express his concern about the President’s policies on the potential war in Iraq. After wearing the shirt in school for three hours without incident, school administrators asked him to remove the t-shirt, turn it inside out, or go home, saying that the shirt might cause a "disruption."

To justify their actions, a school administrator cited a famous 1969 U.S. Supreme Court decision about student free expression rights. But Barber, who was familiar with the decision as well, pointed out that the official was citing from the dissenting opinion, not the often-quoted majority decision that a student's rights to free speech don't end "at the schoolhouse gate." That decision actually supports his position, Barber told the official. Nonetheless, he was told to remove the shirt.

Barber, who has nearly a 4.0 average and was second in his class last semester, said that he is hoping to go to the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor to pursue a career in constitutional law. He has been a "card-carrying member" of the ACLU since the 10th grade and has contributed whatever he could afford to the organization since middle school.

"The shirt was meant to emphasize the message ‘no war,’ and I feel that I’ve been successful in getting that message out," said Barber. Although he has given up wearing his shirt until the issue with the school can be resolved, he said that he hopes to organize a group of students to protest the banning of the t-shirt.


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http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1470392/20030306/index.jhtml?headlines=true
Anti-War T-Shirts Land Teens, Lawyer In Hot Water
03.06.2003 3:27 PM EST

Global anti-war protests have recently drawn hundreds of thousands into peaceful demonstrations in the streets. But, over the past three weeks, from Michigan to New York to Chicago, students have been warned and suspended, and one adult arrested, for expressing their anti-war and anti-Arab-discrimination sentiments on the most American of forums, the T-shirt.

On February 17, Dearborn High School junior Bretton Barber was asked, and he refused, to remove a shirt with a photo of President Bush and the words "International Terrorist" when administrators at his Michigan school feared the shirt might disrupt classes.

Lebanese-American Finley Junior High School eighth grader Ian Itani was suspended from his suburban Chicago school two days later for wearing a T-shirt that featured a drawing of the twin towers, an airplane and a man in a traditional Arab headdress. Itani's shirt, according to his mother, was a response to taunting from his classmates.

Last Friday, 17-year-old junior David Dial was suspended from his Broomfield, Colorado, high school for one day for posting fliers promoting Wednesday's "Books Not Bombs" international student walkout (see "Anti-War Movement Rallies Round The Web"). Though he was told he was not allowed to post the flyer in the school's hallways, Dial did so anyway and administrators, citing the same disruption of school activities policies, gave him the suspension, according to the Denver Post.

Lawyer Stephen Downs was arrested at the Crossgates Mall in Guilderland, New York, on Monday and charged with trespassing after refusing to remove a T-shirt, made and purchased in the mall, which featured the phrase "Peace on Earth" on the front and "Give Peace a Chance" on the back. After security guards were unable to convince Downs to either leave the mall or remove the shirt bearing the John Lennon-inspired phrase, they summoned the local police, who arrested and handcuffed Downs, the director of the Albany office of the State Commission on Judicial Conduct.

The arrest of Downs has already drawn offers from the American Civil Liberties Union to help defend the case, but an ACLU spokesperson said the three school cases are a legacy of a previous generation's anti-war protests.

Because many schools have codes of conduct that include rules against wearing clothing that is either disruptive or distracting to the educational process, cases such as Itani's and Barber's are fairly common, said Donna Lieberman, executive director of the New York Civil Liberties Union.

Whether it is a Marilyn Manson shirt or one with an anti-war message, these students often pay the price for wearing their hearts on their sleeves (or chests). "He was asked to not wear that particular shirt and he chose to go home," David Mustonen, communications director for the Dearborn Public School system, said of Barber's case, citing the school board's policy on disruptive clothing. "There was no suspension or disciplinary action."

Mustonen said straight-A student Barber, who returned to school the next day without incident, was asked to remove the shirt after an assistant principal received comments from unspecified persons who "did not favor the shirt." A spokesperson for the Michigan ACLU said the organization might soon get involved in a legal filing in Barber's case. "There was no disruption of school business. He wore the shirt for three hours with no incident. This [shirt] is truly protected political speech," said the ACLU's Wendy Wagenheim.

The issue of student anti-war protests in schools came of age during another controversial military action, the Vietnam conflict, when a trio of Des Moines, Iowa, students took their cause of protesting the war all the way to the Supreme Court. In Tinker Vs. Des Moines Independent School District (1969), 15-year-old John F. Tinker, his younger sister Mary Beth and 16-year-old Christopher Eckhardt fought for their right to wear black armbands as a silent protest against the war.

The school board banned such protests, the students refused to remove the armbands and they were told to leave school and not return until they complied with the school's policies. The district was eventually found guilty by the Supreme Court of denying the students' First Amendment rights. As a result, students' rights to free expression were broadened following the decision, though many schools now have "disruptive" clothing rules in their codes of conduct.

That explains why officials in Chicago Ridge told 14-year-old Itani's mother that his homemade shirt had to go. The shirt, which featured a black marker drawing of the towers and an airplane on the front and a bearded man in an Arabic headdress on the back, could be seen as a "promotion of terrorism," according to school officials, quoted in an Associated Press report. Colleen Itani said her son was attempting to show his peers that not all Arabs are to blame for the September 11 attacks.

School superintendent Bernard Jumbeck would not comment on the issue.

"Everywhere I go people call us camels because of what happened," Ian Itani said in the Associated Press report. "So I put (the drawing) on my shirt to tell them who did it and to say that me and my Arab friends didn't do it."

The walkout Colorado student Dial was supporting was part of a National Youth and Student Peace Coalition-sponsored event in which students on 200 campuses worldwide walked out of classes at 8 a.m. on Wednesday.

"It's not like we're promoting violence or any kind or discrimination," Dial told the Denver Post. "It's just a peaceful protest against the war in Iraq." Administrators objected to the promotion of a walkout and offered to let Dial post the fliers elsewhere.

"The backdrop to this is a climate of hostility to civil liberties," Lieberman said. "The Bush administration has launched a broadside against civil liberties in ways never imagined just two years ago and attacks on free speech are happening in schools, at the mall and on the street."

Lieberman said the arrest of 60-year-old lawyer Downs (his 31-year-old son agreed to remove his shirt, which read "No War With Iraq" and "Let Inspections Work") was troubling because, while a mall is a private entity, it often benefits from and uses city services and is seen by many as a community gathering place. The precedent set in the arrest, she said, was disturbing to civil libertarians. "It's as if the Yankees wouldn't allow you in to a game if you were wearing a Mets cap," Lieberman said.

James R. Murley, chief of the Guilderland Police Department, said officers spent an hour trying to convince Downs to follow the example of his son and remove his shirt, but the lawyer refused. "The mall has it posted that certain apparel that is considered disruptive is prohibited," according to Murley, who said Downs is facing a maximum of 15 days in jail.

One hundred anti-war demonstrators marched through the mall Wednesday to protest the arrest, saying they would not stop until the charges were dropped. Later in the day, mall officials asked for the charges to be dropped, according to the Associated Press.

―Gil Kaufman
 
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“小v上班给母亲写e-mail,老板让小v不要上班写e-mail,小v不同意,老板让小v离开公司,小v又不走,于是老板叫来警察将小v带走。一贯反美的knowsth就可以给新华社发个新闻: 渥太华小v因为给母亲写e-mail,而被警方逮捕。”

“小v上班时看到随身携带的母亲的照片,于是给小v的母亲写e-mail,老板让小v不要上班写e-mail,小v不同意,老板让小v离开公司,小v又不走,于是老板叫来警察将小v带走。一贯反美的knowsth就可以给新华社发个新闻: 渥太华小v因为随身母亲的照片,而被警方逮捕。”

“小v上班时掏自己的钱包,看到随身携带的母亲的照片,于是给小v的母亲写e-mail,老板让小v不要上班写e-mail,小v不同意,老板让小v离开公司,小v又不走,于是老板叫来警察将小v带走。一贯反美的knowsth就可以给新华社发个新闻: 渥太华小v因为掏自己的钱包,而被警方逮捕。”

V愤青在类比美国新闻记者么?
 
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“小v上班给母亲写e-mail,老板让小v不要上班写e-mail,小v不同意,老板让小v离开公司,小v又不走,于是老板叫来警察将小v带走。一贯反美的knowsth就可以给新华社发个新闻: 渥太华小v因为给母亲写e-mail,而被警方逮捕。”

“小v上班时看到随身携带的母亲的照片,于是给小v的母亲写e-mail,老板让小v不要上班写e-mail,小v不同意,老板让小v离开公司,小v又不走,于是老板叫来警察将小v带走。一贯反美的knowsth就可以给新华社发个新闻: 渥太华小v因为随身母亲的照片,而被警方逮捕。”

“小v上班时掏自己的钱包,看到随身携带的母亲的照片,于是给小v的母亲写e-mail,老板让小v不要上班写e-mail,小v不同意,老板让小v离开公司,小v又不走,于是老板叫来警察将小v带走。一贯反美的knowsth就可以给新华社发个新闻: 渥太华小v因为掏自己的钱包,而被警方逮捕。”

落水狗要痛打:gun:
俺不管因何抓走,俺只关心俺那1000美夸脱的善款。
小V打赌的赌书摆在那呢,只赌是否被抓走,没赌何因,尊重自己嘴巴的就找一贯民主的营友们酬些银子吧,也给俺们show一下如何做个TTZZ的人呢:p
 
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“小v上班给母亲写e-mail,老板让小v不要上班写e-mail,小v不同意,老板让小v离开公司,小v又不走,于是老板叫来警察将小v带走。一贯反美的knowsth就可以给新华社发个新闻: 渥太华小v因为给母亲写e-mail,而被警方逮捕。”

“小v上班时看到随身携带的母亲的照片,于是给小v的母亲写e-mail,老板让小v不要上班写e-mail,小v不同意,老板让小v离开公司,小v又不走,于是老板叫来警察将小v带走。一贯反美的knowsth就可以给新华社发个新闻: 渥太华小v因为随身母亲的照片,而被警方逮捕。”

“小v上班时掏自己的钱包,看到随身携带的母亲的照片,于是给小v的母亲写e-mail,老板让小v不要上班写e-mail,小v不同意,老板让小v离开公司,小v又不走,于是老板叫来警察将小v带走。一贯反美的knowsth就可以给新华社发个新闻: 渥太华小v因为掏自己的钱包,而被警方逮捕。”
再插一句嘴。这个比喻不太合适,改成上班时去上厕所更恰当些。
 
最初由 无业游民 发布
制定一个赌博规则供讨论

支持,有几位同志的象形文字让我读得很郁闷一直想用脚来问候他们的屁股参与赌博
可以解除郁闷又不伤害身体。谢谢无先生的提议。
 
最初由 风林火山 发布


支持,有几位同志的象形文字让我读得很郁闷一直想用脚来问候他们的屁股参与赌博
可以解除郁闷又不伤害身体。谢谢无先生的提议。
让小v掏点CFC的银子完事儿。
 
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