谈谈 IB(International Baccalaureate ) Program 的优劣

不好意思问一个实质性的问题:

什么样的孩子能进gifted program呢?。。。或者说孩子怎么培养,什么学习经历比较有帮助呢?。。呵呵,不是说就为了那个考试准备。。。

我想孩子一般都是聪明的。。后天的影响应该更大一些吧。。
 
请问这gifted考试,是老师推荐还是家长要求的呢?

首先要有家长的申请,没有家长的要求老师是不会推荐的。没有老师的推荐,孩子也不能参加考试。所以应该是家长要求老师推荐和安排孩子去参加考试。
 
不好意思问一个实质性的问题:

什么样的孩子能进gifted program呢?。。。或者说孩子怎么培养,什么学习经历比较有帮助呢?。。呵呵,不是说就为了那个考试准备。。。

我想孩子一般都是聪明的。。后天的影响应该更大一些吧。。

每一个孩子都是很聪明的,但需要经过家长和老师的引导。每一个爱学习和用功的孩子都能进 gifted program。
 
Thanks King.

是指爱那方面啊?体育/技能/音乐/美术, 还是语言/数学能力啊? 谢谢。。
我看好多孩子在参加各种各样的学习呢。

多谢。

每一个孩子都是很聪明的,但需要经过家长和老师的引导。每一个爱学习和用功的孩子都能进 gifted program。
 
Thanks King.

是指爱那方面啊?体育/技能/音乐/美术, 还是语言/数学能力啊? 谢谢。。
我看好多孩子在参加各种各样的学习呢。

多谢。

个人认为孩子在 grade 11 之前应该是全面发展,多了解各方面的知识,不仅仅是数学和语言等方面,还应该包括体育,音乐和美术等等方面。可以根据孩子的爱好和能力,参加一些力所能及的课外活动和学习, 让孩子多了解和学习各个方面的知识。grade 11 及以后和 university,孩子就要注重专业方面的培养,这是孩子将来可能工作的方向,其他方面就作为业余爱好了。
 
谢谢GRAND KING 和 ^_^ 的答复。孩子从没参加GIFT考试,听孩子讲班里没人转GIFT. 是否因为班里EQAO的成绩都不行? 孩子在 W.ERSKINE JOHNSTON学习。KANATA 有GIFT 学习吗?
 
谢谢Grand King.那家长应该啥时候向老师提出呢?我发现孩子的学校方面完全没有提供这方面的信息。听说有些同学已经考过了, 我们却蒙在鼓里,还以为是自己的孩子不够好,没得到老师的推荐。孩子也觉得明明某某学习不太好,为啥老师会推荐他/她呢?这样产生了负面的影响。
 
Apparently, if you have insurance, then you can go a licensed psychologist for the evaluation of the talent for your child. School might accept the evaluation. Good luck!
 
谢谢GRAND KING 和 ^_^ 的答复。孩子从没参加GIFT考试,听孩子讲班里没人转GIFT. 是否因为班里EQAO的成绩都不行? 孩子在 W.ERSKINE JOHNSTON学习。KANATA 有GIFT 学习吗?

谢谢Grand King.那家长应该啥时候向老师提出呢?我发现孩子的学校方面完全没有提供这方面的信息。听说有些同学已经考过了, 我们却蒙在鼓里,还以为是自己的孩子不够好,没得到老师的推荐。孩子也觉得明明某某学习不太好,为啥老师会推荐他/她呢?这样产生了负面的影响。

没有向学校和老师要求和申请孩子的 gifted 考试,老师是不会主动替你申请和安排考试的,有些负责任的老师会建议学生的家长给孩子申请 gifted 考试。你可以在开学或学期末家长和老师的见面会上提出,问问老师这学期或下学期能不能给孩子安排 gifted 考试。

孩子通过了考试(有的小学有 gifted program 班),只是取得了以后在 high school 进入 gifted program 课程的资格。有些家长觉得没必要参加 gifted program,给孩子增加负担,因为 gifted program 的课程比普通课程难度要大一些。有 gifted program 的 high school,同样的课(如数学)都开两门,一个是普通课程,一个是 gifted 课程。
 
Please talk more about IB program instead of Gifted program .


Thanks.
 
Please talk more about IB program instead of Gifted program .

Thanks.

It is because that many people are interested in Gifted Program,and high schools which have Gifted Program are more than the school which has IB Program ... :).

You could contact Lewis Harthun at (613) 745-9411 for more information about IB Program, because Colonel By is the only school which has the IB Program. Web site "Colonel By Secondary School" would give you more information about IB Program in Colonel By.
 
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没有向学校和老师要求和申请孩子的 gifted 考试,老师是不会主动替你申请和安排考试的,有些负责任的老师会建议学生的家长给孩子申请 gifted 考试。你可以在开学或学期末家长和老师的见面会上提出,问问老师这学期或下学期能不能给孩子安排 gifted 考试。

孩子通过了考试(有的小学有 gifted program 班),只是取得了以后在 high school 进入 gifted program 课程的资格。有些家长觉得没必要参加 gifted program,给孩子增加负担,因为 gifted program 的课程比普通课程难度要大一些。有 gifted program 的 high school,同样的课(如数学)都开两门,一个是普通课程,一个是 gifted 课程。
 
Just found a very good website:

http://askville.amazon.com/International-Baccalaureate-Programme/AnswerViewer.do?requestId=4577271

Share it with other parents who are interested in the IB program or AP Program::):):)

[FONT=verdana, sans-serif]I am a university teacher, and I have also taught both AP and IB high school classes (math, including higher level IB and BC calculus), and am continuing to teach both. I also teach junior high school (one honors class in eighth grade as a volunteer for the public school district). I think all that can be reasonably done is to fairly list the pros and cons of the IB program against the AP program. Personally, I don't think a reasonable argument can be made that one is "better" than the other, at least not universally.

Pros of IB over AP:

Unlike the AP program, the IB program offers a separate high school diploma, which in itself has meaning to most good universities. In addition to completing 6 IB level courses and exams in high school, the IB diploma means that a student has written an extended essay, performed a reasonable amount of community service, participated in the arts, and been involved in some kind of athletics in their last two years of high school. Many good universities (e.g., UCLA) offer either preferred or automatic admission to students with an IB diploma, along with sophomore standing. The IB diploma means that a student is at least supposedly guaranteed to have a sort of balance in their studies and lives, while the AP program is completely modular. A student can get a lot of AP credit by taking only math and science exams, and can therefore get out of high school with very poor language arts and history skills. High school courses that are not IB or AP do not compare very well across different districts, and sometimes even from school to school within the same district, so the IB program has a set standard that tells prospective universities what that student has done in high school. The AP program only does this if a student takes only AP courses, and relatively few schools offer such a comprehensive program.

IB is internationally recognized, so for those who think they may need or want to move during high school, or participate in a foreign exchange program, the IB program allows that without the student having to fall behind in any way. This also means that a student who wants to apply to foreign universities is given a universal measure of his/her high school education.

IB exams are comprehensive, and cover a huge amount of material, and this forces students to remember more than what they learned in their senior year. This can make IB students better prepared for college. Students also tend to see more world history, literature from countries other than America, mathematical notation that is universal, etc.

Cons of IB vs. AP

IB's answer to competing with the AP folks is to offer a modular program that is supposed to be equivalent to AP exams. The modular approach offers certificates to students who do not choose to go after the diploma, but who want some IB credit. Unfortunately, I have found that most good universities offer up to twice as much credit for equivalent AP test scores as for individual IB test scores. IB is accepted by good universities as a whole package, but the universities do not seem to like the modular approach to IB. Many schools offer no credit at all for standard level IB exams (unless they are taken as part of the IB diploma), and only a nominal amount of credit for the higher level IB exams. There are some good reasons for this. IB is so broad that certain material that is expected of college freshman is not covered in the IB curriculum. If students are to skip certain courses and go on to more advanced ones, this missing material can be a problem. On the other hand, IB students tend to have had an introduction to more advanced material that AP students do not have, so it may even out in the end.

IB seems to see themselves as competing with AP, and I guess they are in a sense. Unfortunately, this has led to a total lack of flexibility when students have a valid conflict on an IB exam day. If a student has to take an AP exam in history on the same day as the IB exam in math, the IB folks absolutely will not allow make up exams. This lack of flexibility causes many students to have to give up one or the other exam, and that is a huge shame. I feel that these programs should be there for the good of the students, not the institutions.

I teach a combo AP/higher level IB course in math, and I know that other teachers in my school do this in other subjects as well. It is difficult to cover all the material, so I had to choose my IB option carefully, and then I have to fill in a lot of material that AP covers but IB does not (and vice versa). I do manage to do that, and I have so far had a 100% passing rate on both AP and IB exams. I've noticed that all my students have gotten 5's on the AP BC Calculus exam, and yet the highest IB score was a 5/7. When I looked at the sub-scores last year, I found that the students had received the lowest scores in their strongest subject. The fact that this particular topic was a strength was confirmed by the across the board 5's on the AP/BC exam on the same material. I found that our IB exams had gone to a country that hates the U.S., and I couldn't help but feel that this had a negative influence on the grading of my students. Therefore, I think the grading process of IB could be improved by choosing randomly, but with some restraint when two countries are huge adversaries.

The IB curriculum is somewhat different from the AP curriculum in its philosophy. Because it is international, there is much less focus on subjects like U.S. history, and more focus on world history. The "options" available in the higher level IB courses give the teachers a choice on their focus, but there is still a broad based curriculum that must be followed. In most subjects, this means that students are given a broad outline of the entire topic, and don't go into a lot of depth on many of the subtopics. For example, AP math concentrates mostly on calculus, which is the required curriculum for the first 2-3 quarters (2 semesters) in most U.S. universities. IB specifically omits certain AP topics, and instead gives students an introduction to many different upper division topics in math (probability theory, complex analysis, etc.). The same approach holds in other subjects such as English and history. This approach can be difficult for some students, since there is often no feel of a logical progression throughout the year, and there is not a lot of depth in any of these topics except for the "option" chosen by the instructor. However, this approach also gives student a broader base in their view of various subjects, and gets away from the "American only" view of the world.

Finally, the IB curriculum can somewhat limit student's choices. For example, my daughter wanted to take French, and she also wanted an IB diploma. At the time, the only IB language that was offered was Spanish. My daughter had to give up the IB diploma, because it was more important to her to take French (my husband was raised in Paris). She was able to take AP French, but not IB French at her high school. The IB program is difficult to teach, and takes special training that the AP program does not require, at least not so much.

I hope this gives you some idea of the pros and cons of the two programs, though I'm certain I missed some stuff. As far as the university preparation goes, my experience as a university faculty member has shown me that both IB and AP students are about equally prepared.
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Sources: my experience as a high school and university teacher.
 
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