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你能保证你的娃娃一定能上gifted高中? :D

我孩子已经考上 gifted program. Grade 5 将进一所 Orleans 的学校的 French Immersion gifted program 直到 Grade 8. 所以 Grade 9 可以进Glouceter High School 的 gifted program 了。
 
我如果是你,会考虑 Colonel By High school 的 IB program, 离你家很近

One more choice. It is always better to have more choice, right?
 
把这些孩子集中到哪个学校,哪个学校就是一所新的Lisgar。

错了。Merivale HS 和 Bell HS 都有 Gifted Program, 效果并不好。
 
看来当堂的Glebe也有Gift班,人数不多,为什么不关Glebe的?如果整个Ottawa只有3个高中设Gift班,那恐怕是要有很多学生跑很远的路。为什么不能多设几个?分散开点。Lisgar and Bell 是人数最多的,硬砍掉好像不太好。


今天Ottawa Citizen上的文章:


Shut down Lisgar gifted classes: trustee


East end representative wants students moved to Gloucester


By Matthew Pearson, The Ottawa Citizen April 18, 2010

OTTAWA — An Ottawa public school board trustee wants to shut down the popular gifted program at Lisgar Collegiate Institute and transfer students to Gloucester High School, an idea roundly rejected by students, parents and trustees.

John Shea, who represents Orléans-Cumberland, says the Ogilvie Road school is accessible by public transit, can accommodate an influx of new gifted students and has the teachers needed to offer the specialized program.

“The gifted program, if it was moved from Lisgar to Gloucester, would take off,” he said. “I know it’s almost considered heresy to disrupt the gifted program at Lisgar, but I think trustees really need to discuss issues like these.

“We’re supposed to be looking at things objectively and making strategic decisions that are going to put this district ahead of the game.”

A staff report has recommended maintaining gifted programs at Bell High School, Lisgar Collegiate and Merivale High School, and shuttering programs at Glebe Collegiate and Gloucester, effective September 2011.

Students at the Glebe and Gloucester schools would be given a one-time option of remaining at whichever school they’re attending, returning to their designated school or switching to Lisgar for the gifted program.

Lisgar has the board’s highest gifted enrolment with 326 students, compared with Gloucester’s 14.

Shea would like to amend the staff recommendations so gifted programs at Glebe and Lisgar would close.

He said it comes down to equity of access as students in the central or eastern parts of the city would have to travel to Merivale in order to get the French Immersion gifted program. Shea said Gloucester has a long-established French Immersion program, while Lisgar only offers the Extended French program.
He added Gloucester is also a larger school and has 700 vacant pupil spaces, while Lisgar is close to capacity.

But Somerset-Kitchissippi trustee Jennifer McKenzie said the majority of students who attend Lisgar for its gifted program live in the catchment areas for either it or Glebe Collegiate.

“To ask them to take a long bus ride out to Gloucester simply because there’s space doesn’t make sense,” McKenzie said. “I’m hoping common sense will prevail and that the amendment, if it’s put on the floor, will be defeated.”

That sentiment appears to be shared by Lisgar students and parents.

Rachel Eugster, co-chair of the Lisgar School Council, said parents are “baffled and concerned” by Shea’s amendment.

In a submission to the board’s education committee — where the staff report and Shea’s amendment will be discussed Monday night — Eugster said 38 per cent of elementary parents surveyed boardwide named Lisgar as the preferred gifted site for their children, more than 12 times the number who picked Gloucester.

At 30 per cent, Lisgar’s gifted program also represents a far greater proportion of its student body than any other gifted centre. Removing it would cause, “lasting harm to a successful and thriving school,” Eugster said.

For students like 16-year-old Sandro Young, the gifted program has provided the best of both worlds: a school community where the gifted and non-gifted programs are well integrated, but where gifted students like him feel at home amongst their peers.

“When you’re with people who think the same way you do, you feel a lot more accepted and you don’t feel ashamed of being who you are,” he said.

mpearson@thecitizen.canwest.com
© Copyright (c) The Ottawa Citizen

BY THE NUMBERS

The Ottawa CitizenApril 18, 2010

Enrolment numbers for specialized gifted programs
YEAR: 。。。。。。。。。。07/08 。。 08/09。。 09/10
Bell High School 。。。。。。 210 。。。 188 。。。 184
Glebe Collegiate Institute 。。。 73 。。。。55 。。。。47
Gloucester High School 。。。31 。。。。。22 。。。。 14
Lisgar Collegiate Institute 。。。309 。。。。317 。。。326
Merivale High School。。。。。 89 。。。。89 。。。。 62

Source: Ottawa-Carleton District School Board
© Copyright (c) The Ottawa Citizen
 
这只是说按Fraser的评判条件所得的一个统计结果。至于说Fraser的评判条件是否合理,信息的来源是否可靠等都值得怀疑。以上数字是在说“中区,西区”上学的工薪阶层较多。

教育局认可Fraser的评判,并在教育局网站被引用,你怀疑Fraser的报告,这个讨论范围就比较大了,因为Fraser的报告覆盖了整个加拿大的各个学校。你是否有更权威的报告?

再有,就是大家关心的是教育局的新提议。教育局的提议自然有他们的理由,你也可以反对。但你老是用各区好坏说话,教育局可能比较反感。

可能是引起了你的不快,因为你住在东边,对不起。

另,你可找个Ottawa的agent问问,这两年房价是东边涨得快还是西边儿。

东边房子总体比较便宜 (not include Rockcliff)
 
很不错。 Glouceter High 已经有Gifted班了,不论Lisgar 关不关,你小孩进 Glouceter 都是顺理成章的事情。(Lisgar 关了你那个学校只会更拥挤)

其实我也不是支持或反对 Lisgar 的前途,就是看见这楼充斥种族偏见,不太爽。

另外你孩子已经在Gifted Program,可以给此楼很多人上一课,Gifted 孩子我理解可不是“多做了些题”这么简单,Gifted Program 也不是死读书只看重成绩的,据说有很多有意思的教学活动,很多人对 Gifted的看法很成问题。我家不存在 Gifted,请过来人说说好。

如果不关 Lisgar 的 gifted program, Glebe Collegiate and Gloucester 的 gifted programs 就很可能被关了。这大概会是最后的结果。教育局要省钱。 "A staff report has recommended maintaining gifted programs at Bell High School , Lisgar Collegiate and Merivale High School , and shuttering programs at Glebe Collegiate and Gloucester , effective September 2011.
Students at the Glebe and Gloucester schools would be given a one-time option of remaining at whichever school they’re attending, returning to their designated school or switching to Lisgar for the gifted program."
 
各个学校都有自己的历史、有自己的传统,有自己的师资,有自己的教育哲学,也形成各自己的特色文化。Lisgar形成今日之声誉口碑殊非一日之功,将一群 gifted 的孩子集中到一起也不一定就能成就另一个Lisgar。

教育局若为一时之便利而关闭Lisgar的Gifted Program将是一个很大的失误。
 
各个学校都有自己的历史、有自己的传统,有自己的师资,有自己的教育哲学,也形成各自己的特色文化。Lisgar形成今日之声誉口碑殊非一日之功,将一群 gifted 的孩子集中到一起也不一定就能成就另一个Lisgar。

教育局若为一时之便利而关闭Lisgar的Gifted Program将是一个很大的失误。


:cool:
 
我比了:

东区 Gloucester High School Parents' avg income: $76,500

中区 Lisgar Parents' avg income: $103,700

西区 Earl of March Parents' avg income: $106,800

http://www.fraserinstitute.org/reportcards/schoolperformance/schoolfinder.aspx?prov=ON&lv=S&l=A

你有数据吗?

这个比较不客观,所以,也说明不了什么。因为Gloucester High School 的Gifted program只有14个学生,而Lisgar 有326个学生,

要比较也可以这么比:

东区 Colonel By High school Parents' avg income $106,800

中区 Lisgar Parents' avg income: $103,700

西区 Earl of March Parents' avg income: $106,800
 
这学校学生家长的平均收入数据是从哪里来的啊?我们从来没有被学校或教育局要求提供过这信息啊?

可能是假设孩子们都就读于他们指定的学校,然后根据报税的结果统计的?
 
还是不要撤吧。如果撤了,kanata的房价和Earl of March的压力就大了。:D
 
根据Fraser Institute的数据,我计算了一下各学区的Parents’ avg income,结果如下:(灰色部分是远郊小学区,各只有一所学校,居住的都是富人?)

Manotick $115,600
Stittsville $114,400
Richmond $112,200
Kanata $101,800
Metcalfe $99,800
Orleans $99,480
Dunrobin $95,400
Nepean $93,063
Gloucester $84,100
Ottawa $80,259

可以看出,Kanata区收入比较高,其次是Orleans。反映出Kanata的高科技居住区和Orleans的政府居住区平均收入较高,这与大家平时的感觉还算相符。Gloucester和Ottawa是老区,平均收入较低。这与美国加拿大的“穷人住城里,富人住郊区”也是符合的。
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Brookfield [Public] Ottawa Parents’ avg income: $63,600
Cairine Wilson [Public] Ottawa Parents’ avg income: $96,700
Canterbury [Public] Ottawa Parents’ avg income: $100,400
De La Salle [French Public] Ottawa Parents’ avg income: $84,300
Franco-Cité [French Catholic] Ottawa Parents’ avg income: $78,800
Glebe [Public] Ottawa Parents’ avg income: $94,000
Hillcrest [Public] Ottawa Parents’ avg income: $84,900
Immaculata [Catholic] Ottawa Parents’ avg income: $70,500
Lisgar [Public] Ottawa Parents’ avg income: $103,700
Nepean [Public] Ottawa Parents’ avg income: $101,800
Notre Dame [Catholic] Ottawa Parents’ avg income: $58,400
Rideau [Public] Ottawa Parents’ avg income: $40,200
Ridgemont [Public] Ottawa Parents’ avg income: $48,000
Samuel-Genest [French Catholic] Ottawa Parents’ avg income: $55,500
St Patrick’s [Catholic] Ottawa Parents’ avg income: $65,200
St Paul [Catholic] Ottawa Parents’ avg income: $78,700
St Pius X [Catholic] Ottawa Parents’ avg income: $82,600
Woodroffe [Public] Ottawa Parents’ avg income: $57,100

Colonel By [Public] Gloucester Parents’ avg income: $106,800
Garneau [French Catholic] Gloucester Parents’ avg income: $100,800
Gloucester [Public] Gloucester Parents’ avg income: $76,500
Lester B Pearson [Catholic] Gloucester Parents’ avg income: $63,900
Louis-Riel [French Public] Gloucester Parents’ avg income: $72,500

A.Y. Jackson [Public] Kanata Parents’ avg income: $97,000
All Saints [Catholic] Kanata Parents’ avg income: $104,100
Earl of March [Public] Kanata Parents’ avg income: $106,800
Holy Trinity [Catholic] Kanata Parents’ avg income: $99,300


Bell [Public] Nepean Parents’ avg income: $82,500
Deslauriers [French Public] Nepean Parents’ avg income: $61,500
Franco-Ouest [French Catholic] Nepean Parents’ avg income: $89,400
John McCrae [Public] Nepean Parents’ avg income: $110,800
Merivale [Public] Nepean Parents’ avg income: $85,200
Mother Teresa [Catholic] Nepean Parents’ avg income: $90,700
Sir Robert Borden [Public] Nepean Parents’ avg income: $103,300
St Joseph [Catholic] Nepean Parents’ avg income: $121,100


Béatrice-Desloges [French Catholic] Orléans Parents’ avg income: $99,400
Gisèle-Lalonde [French Public] Orléans Parents’ avg income: $94,800
Sir Wilfrid Laurier [Public] Orléans Parents’ avg income: $102,000
St Matthew [Catholic] Orléans Parents’ avg income: $98,500
St Peter [Catholic] Orléans Parents’ avg income: $102,700


Osgoode Township [Public] Metcalfe Parents’ avg income: $99,800

Sacred Heart [Catholic] Stittsville Parents’ avg income: $114,400

South Carleton [Public] Richmond Parents’ avg income: $112,200

St Mark [Catholic] Manotick Parents’ avg income: $115,600

West Carleton [Public] Dunrobin Parents’ avg income: $95,400
 
根据Fraser Institute的数据,我计算了一下各学区的Parents’ avg income,结果如下:(灰色部分是远郊小学区,各只有一所学校,居住的都是富人?)
Manotick $115,600
Stittsville $114,400
Richmond $112,200
Metcalfe $99,800
Dunrobin $95,400

以我所知,说说这些地区,

Manotick 南边小镇,这里的房子占地基本上以公倾算,特别是那些近河边的超大豪宅。是个有钱人居住的小镇。但这一现象将会改变,因为MINTO将在那里有大发展,但盖的将不是豪宅,去年本地人抗争得厉害,但也改变不了现实。

Stittsville 情况跟Kanata差不多吧。但有不少喜欢地大房子大的人在那买地建房。

Richmond 这是有钱农民集中地。这里的土地最肥沃,还有农民卖地给发展商。

Metcalfe 靠近渥市的南边,以前是农业为主,现在以卖地为主。

Dunrobin 靠渥太华河,那里的土质不宜种植,石头多。农民买地也很火,离Kanata不远,建大房子最理想,再加一个养马的hobby farm。
 
个人觉得,Lisga的gifted center与Glouceter High School的合并,还是很不错的,对gifted学生绝对益处多多!

Glouceter High School有著名的拉拉队,soccer teams以及club。能在这样的学校读中学的学生,应该是很幸福和值得骄傲的。
 
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