加拿大7500万根本买不到会飞的F-35 英美早已减购ZT

[方脑壳大爷]

Waste of money, in my opinion, Canada has no fightable enemy. If some people want to buy F35 jets, donate your own money to do so, don't try to get all Canadian taxpayers to foot the bill. Most of us want better health care, not military power.

I think Harper goverment is famous for its secrecy, hiding information, only allows what they are in favor of, and non-transparency in many things they do. Under his leadership, I think it's more like dictatorship (one-man/one-party decides all) than democracy (discussion among all parties, reaching mutally agreed decisions, do what majority of people want).

 

[方脑壳大爷]

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正直与不正直，与Fisher2004所说的发表的贴字的数量及注册时间有什么逻辑上的联系？所谓的＂开坛元勋＂Fisher2004的逻辑和智商真是令人高度怀疑。

以前在COMEFROMCHINA 上发布的信息还比较客观，怎么在大选期间 Fisher2004 在COMEFROMCHINA网状上发布的所有信息基本上是诽谤保守党而帮凶自由党的吹嘘作弊行为？ 而且消息基本上来自明报，大家看看记录就一清二楚了。报纸和网站是媒体的一部分，报导的消息和筛选的报导应该客观，全面，真实，准确，而非诽谤，偏面，不准确以误导民众。大家要擦亮眼睛看Fisher2004所筛选的报导,其标题，报道内容，用词的基调都是故意贬低保守党的。

天下乌鸦一般黑，自由党腐败，保守党几年把国库搞个大窟窿，还不是靠我们的税款来填。向你这样吹保守党打自由党不也是一样。谁好谁坏让大家来评，用选票来说。为什么保守党好但始终是少数党执政，加拿大大多数选民不愿意让他们成为多数党。这是事实。不愿意看明报，你可以转其他观点。空洞的谩骂是苍白无力的。看你这口气只能说保守党好，这个论坛才是公平的，这只能说你的观点很偏激。

 

[方脑壳大爷]

"惠勒又警告，F-35战机的制造数目将远低於现时官方预测，令战机单价势必上升;比如英国、土耳其等国都减少或暂停F-35购买计划，就连美国政府亦减少了购买数量。“

？？？？
If all NATO country are more or less buying it. What is wrong with Canada buying it. What else we could buy? J10 from Chan or Su 30 from Russian.

it is wrong simply because it uses our (my) tax money. We simply do not need the fighter jet, period.

 

[garychan]

加军一直在使用F１８和F１５系列包括一些F18的改进型F18E和F１５的改进型，与将来购置的F３５的交接没有问题。一些F１８和F１５已经残旧，不能运做，需要更新。那么更新为F18E和F１５的改进型还是F３５，就得考虑国防现代化，成本，外交，合作，合同，长远利益等等诸多问题。F３５在研发阶段，美加有很大的合作空间，根据合作的方式，保守党的估价7500万元完全有可能达到。
＂安省京士顿(Kingston)皇后大学(Queen's University)防务管理研究中心(Defence Management Studies)主任布兰德(Douglas Bland)认为，佩奇和惠勒的估价偏高，加拿大采购的跑道起飞型F-35单价，应该在7500万元至1亿 1500万元之间。＂

Canadian Air Force doesn't operate any F-15... and CF-18 is actually F-18A/B (CF-188A/B). F-18E Super Hornet started production in 2007, and Canadian Air Force doesn't operate any F-18E either. The upgrade CF-18 received was only for certain avionics to match F-18C/D standards. It should be noted that F-18E/F is a completely different aircraft than the rest of the F-18 family. It has larger airframe and it carries more powerful engines.

My concerns about F-35 are the cost at delivery and single engine. No one knows how much it will cost when it's development is completed, so now we can only guess. With single engine, patrolling the Artic region will be a serious issue considering the cost of each aircraft. Also the US won't release the source code for the software.

For the development, most of the technologies used on F-35 came from F-22, which is banned from export. I really don't know to what extend the US is willing to share their top secret with its allies. Canada will definitely get a share (this is always a requirement in DND contracts), but it could be limited to stuff that Canada has the know-how. We're third tier JSF participant anyway.

It's just my two cents...

 

[hungryman]

天下乌鸦一般黑，自由党腐败，保守党几年把国库搞个大窟窿，还不是靠我们的税款来填。向你这样吹保守党打自由党不也是一样。谁好谁坏让大家来评，用选票来说。为什么保守党好但始终是少数党执政，加拿大大多数选民不愿意让他们成为多数党。这是事实。不愿意看明报，你可以转其他观点。空洞的谩骂是苍白无力的。看你这口气只能说保守党好，这个论坛才是公平的，这只能说你的观点很偏激。

您错了，他的意思不是“只能说保守党好”，而是“要说自由党不好”

 

[LuckLuck]

"惠勒又警告，F-35战机的制造数目将远低於现时官方预测，令战机单价势必上升;比如英国、土耳其等国都减少或暂停F-35购买计划，就连美国政府亦减少了购买数量。“

？？？？
If all NATO country are more or less buying it. What is wrong with Canada buying it. What else we could buy? J10 from Chan or Su 30 from Russian.

If Canada is not going to fight with USA or Russia, Canada can buy F15, F16, and F18. They all are mature in technology, and they are much cheap.

 

[PhD Ottawa]

Canadian Forces have been applying F18 for about 30 years. The upgraded F18E is quite different, and it still belongs to the F18 family.

The engine is a concern. When an integrated approach is taken and comprehensive factors are taken into account as I have mentioned previously instead of from a single perspective, the cost estimation of F35 of the Conservative party is completely possible.