cbcnews 说:Ontario's funding of Catholic schools violates the charter and should be stopped, a Toronto woman is arguing in a court challenge the province will try to shut down today.
Reva Landau doesn't agree with some of the church's teachings, and is arguing that it infringes her freedom of religion to help foot the bill for its schools.
"They're entitled to have beliefs I don't agree with," she said in an interview.
"There are many people who have beliefs I don't agree with. But these beliefs are being funded with my tax dollars."
The Roman Catholic school system gets about one-third of Ontario's $24-billion education budget, but only 23 per cent of electors direct their education taxes to separate schools.
The case, launched in December 2011, is scheduled to have a court hearing Wednesday on an Ontario government motion. The province wants the challenge dismissed, in part, because it says Landau has no standing to bring it.
The Canadian Civil Liberties Association is intervening in the challenge and is supporting Landau.
The idea for Landau's constitutional challenge first came in 2007, when during that provincial election campaign then-Progressive Conservative leader John Tory proposed extending public funding to schools of other faiths.
"I disagree with that, as I said I'm a public schools supporter, but at least he was trying to be fair," said Landau, a retired non-practising lawyer.
"He was trying to be egalitarian to at least a limited extent…The more I thought about it the more it just seemed unfair."
Public funding of Catholic schools infringes the charter, Landau says, but first the court must find that the charter even applies to the funding formula.
A section of the constitution states that no law can affect the rights of denominational schools and that has been interpreted as making it immune from charter challenges, Landau argues.
It contradicts the charter and was never intended to confer privilege on Roman Catholic education, she says.
"The only way to reconcile this difference is to interpret (the section) as narrowly as possible so it guarantees the separate school system only those rights which clearly existed at the time of Confederation," she wrote in her challenge.
The section was meant, in 1867, to protect rights of a Catholic minority in a largely Protestant schools system, the civil liberties group says.
Interpreting it today to shield separate school funding from charter scrutiny "only serves to erode those very principles," the group wrote.
The Supreme Court has considered the issue and related cases on several occasions, but its precedents should be revisited, the group argues.
The charter does state that nothing in it takes away rights or privileges in the constitution with respect to separate schools. Landau suggests it is redundant.
She is asking the Ontario Superior Court of Justice to order that the government stop funding Catholic high schools and only fund Catholic elementary schools to the extent they were funded in 1867 at the time of Confederation.
That would amount to being funded with "only property taxes from Catholics who declare themselves to be separate school supporters and who live within three miles of a separate school, and property taxes from wholly Catholic owned businesses," Landau wrote in her challenge.
基督教教会曾对过往两位伟大科学家(哥白尼和伽利略)的逼害基督教外,还有达尔文! 一个错漏百出的宗教,在政治上得到支持, 於今亦日立一倒. 而且, 更编造谎言(教会的小圈子最爱编出有利自己的传言,而基督徒往往不假思索地信以为真,并广泛流传,弄假成真)来欺骗人类, 使人信主.相信这些谎言, 大家都经常听到基督徒挂在口边, 久而久之, 便成为了基督教界传教的武器. 有很多人都因此而信了主, 因为这三位伟大科学家的影响实在无穷的大.基督教的所作所为真使人感到无限的可悲.
1) <<物种起源>>发表者 ---- 达尔文(Charles R. Darwin, 1809-1882)
一八五九年十一月二十四日, 这个世界就好像发了狂般, 不论乞丐或甚至到大学论的教授都兴奋莫名. 有人在街上欢呼, 有人在东奔西走, 总是动弹不定!
因为英国着名生物学家达尔文正式向世界发表了惊天动地的<<物种起源>>一书! 他否决了长期以来骗人於无形的上帝创造论,否决了害人不浅圣经中的物种不变论!(他真的否决了吗?) 因此, 两位伟大的哲学家马克思和恩格斯都对达尔文和其学说有极高的评价.
没错, 达尔文在25岁之前是一位的基督徒. 而且很喜欢看圣经, 所以纽约时报都说他不是想谋杀上帝的, 可是他做到了. <<物种起源>>一书起初并没有对宗教界造成很大的振动, 但是很来<<物种起源>>的影响力日深, 很多学者都提及到,因而使宗教也不能忽视, 後来更引起历史以来基督教界一次很大很深远的振惊! 於是 ,教会便对达尔文处处压迫, 使达尔文深深感到教会的邪恶无良!
这一段妙文除了对进化论无聊的吹嘘和所谓的教会对达尔文迫害之类的无稽之谈之外,它对达尔文进化论的假科学真宗教的真实面目倒是做了一个很好的总结和揭露,可谓入木三分、一语中的。
when the government finally stops funding the catholic school, then we can discuss if the "darwin's theory of evolution" is religious or scientific.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/story/2012/10/17/catholic-school-funding-court-challenge.html
Court case challenges Catholic school funding
宗教和科学都是严肃的话题。较较真
soaring: 科学理论之所以是科学理论,正因为它可以被证实或证伪
严重赞同。那么请问,创造论者、年轻地球论者,不管出于宗教的目的,还是科学的目的,或者任何个人不光彩的目的,对科学理论提出质疑,应该把它当成”质疑“,并用”科学"的方法给予证实,还是应该不问因由,就扣之以对科学的攻击,或者别的?
soaring: 进化论之所以伟大,是因为它凭借已知的几个数据点,合理推出了物种演化的大致线条
严重赞同。从字面上理解,进化论的提出,是一个从少数数据(证据?)推理出来的一个“科学假说”?也就是说,您也同意,起初,进化论并不是一个实证过的“科学理论” ?
soaring: 随着新数据的增加发现,这些线条或得以加强或需要修改,其结果只是进化论本身在进化而已
再一次严重赞同。随着进化论的持续发展,进化论会得到逐步证实或者修订。那么请问,进化论发展到目前阶段,下面几个问题仍然是科学推论,或者已经是科学结论?
1、DNA是从无机世界中直接或间接产生的。这是已经实证了还是一个“科学可能”?--恕俺无知,不知道这个问题是否属于进化论的范畴,就算不是,俺认为这里问也算合理
2、貌似科学中有这样一个说法:基因突变更多的是有害突变,有益突变很少(或者没有?),进化论成立是否必须有这样一个条件 -- 有益突变比有害突变更容易得到保留和遗传,甚至有害突变不可能得到保留,否则无法解释可以从及其简单的生物向上进化成诸多高等生物。这种基因突变的方向是科学推论,还是科学结论?实证了没有?
3、物种A到物种B的基因突变,是科学推论,还是结论?实证过?
4、宏进化是否需要化石证明物种间的进化关系?随便任何两种物种的进化,是否已经有足够的证据,包括化石证据来证明?
罗罗嗦嗦一大堆,只有一句话:目前进化论是一个科学假设,还是一个充分证明了的科学结论?这是一个与宗教1毛钱关系都没有的问题
嗯,鸭兄终于确定进化论是宗教信仰了。这是一个进步,诚心恭喜!
对不起、进化论不符合宗教的定义。:blink:
在我看来,那个Dr。KH就是羡慕嫉妒恨。为什么他认为的进化论宗教人们可以用tax刀在学校教学,而基督教就不可以呢?要是他认为基督教可以在学校教学,那他为什么要反对学校教进化论呢?难道别人的宗教信仰就要比基督教低一等吗?(他和其他基督教图当然这么认为,但是你敢在公开场合与伊斯兰狂热信徒较真儿吗?)
你敢在基督教国家和基督徒较真,却不敢在伊斯兰国家和伊斯兰教徒较真,我相信你也不敢在共产党国家(比如说北韩古巴或者从前的任何一个社会主义国家)和共产主义者较真;我怀疑我现在能在中国和无神论者较真,我甚至可能不敢在佛教国家和佛教徒较真,这说明了什么?
谓予不信,你可以换个马甲,在佛教论坛用大家在基督教论坛和基督徒较真的方式和佛教徒较较真试一下。
我看到的是基督徒四处散播佛教是邪教佛是骗子最终导致宗教坛子一分为二。然后基督徒在主坛佛坛四处布道
说基督教现在没那么 aggressive 大概是因为现代科学对基督教议冲击最大,被打老实了吧。
西方各国都讲信仰自由,现在你说只有你的信仰是真的,别人信的都是假的。看来基督教并不是西方民主国家的立国之本啊
说来说去,其实就是一句话,你敢不敢去佛坛较真?
谓予不信,你可以换个马甲,在佛教论坛用大家在基督教论坛和基督徒较真的方式和佛教徒较较真试一下。
说来说去,其实就是一句话,你敢不敢去佛坛较真?