重磅新闻BREAKING NEWS：滑大招生评估高中成绩水分的名单被媒体披露了

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你标题上的AYJackson是North York不是渥太华的。

谢谢提醒，已经修正。

 

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千万别这样。小留中有好学的，喜欢数理化的，去EOM是太正确了。不咋喜欢数理化的，以后不在加拿大吃理工蓝翔饭的，大可不必在EOM， 可以去WEST CARLETON, NEPEAN HIGH, JOHN MACCREA都是好学校。可以充分学习英语和文化。

一定要向国内的亲朋好友大力推介EOM, 有条件的还要向移民中介详细介绍: 饿尔马，滑大滴摇篮。

 

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一定要向国内的亲朋好友大力推介EOM, 有条件的还要向移民中介详细介绍: 饿尔马，滑大滴摇篮。

我如果现在是国内的，如果手上有两套房，混得中上。不用吃技术饭的，如果送孩子过来，以后回国发展，就送下面这3个学校之一
NEPEAN HIGH
WEST CARLETON
JOHN MCCREA

 

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今年kanata的AY在渥太华排名排在all saint 之后，也算进步巨大啊

楼主别太激动，你标题上的AYJackson是North York不是渥太华的。还有就是EOM只有2018年上榜了，说明以前都没足够的统计数据来被调整。你还说小留咋样咋样的，说不定就是小留多了，才把EOM上滑大的数据给提上去了。

Bell HS

2016 9.1

2017 10.8

2018 11.4


Earl of March SS

· 2016

· 2017

· 2018 10.5



All Saints Catholic HS

· 2016

· 2017 10.5

· 2018


Colonel By SS

· 2016 11.9

· 2017 11

· 2018 12.3


Lisgar CI

· 2016 12

· 2017 12.8

· 2018

 

[ert0000]

今年kanata的AY在渥太华排名排在all saint 之后，也算进步巨大啊

我已经修正了，名单上的AY是大多地区YORK的，不是KANATA的。
不过我认为记者拿到的肯定只是部分数据。因为我知道这几年KANATA的AY有去滑铁卢工程的。

 

[ert0000]

谁会迷信EOM？能够上Bell HS GP的，大多数不会留在EOM。以后Merivale开IB，Bell的生源会过去一部分。

其实呢，最近的这一届EOM 12年级毕业生在文科方面的和美国大藤中的表现，已经有历史性的巨大突破了，我都不想再说了，否则TERRY FOX 5KM我要开车50分钟了。大家还是先把市选举搞搞好，BUILDER扩建，交通(TERRY FOX AND LRT）和新高中这些事多参与。这些事情如果不搞好，可能会抵消中小学教育方面的巨大进展。

 

[一二三]

我已经修正了，名单上的AY是大多地区YORK的，不是KANATA的。
不过我认为记者拿到的肯定只是部分数据。因为我知道这几年KANATA的AY有去滑铁卢工程的。

 

[金陵]

其实呢，最近的这一届EOM 12年级毕业生在文科方面的和美国大藤中的表现，已经有历史性的巨大突破了，我都不想再说了，否则TERRY FOX 5KM我要开车50分钟了。大家还是先把市选举搞搞好，BUILDER扩建，交通(TERRY FOX AND LRT）和新高中这些事多参与。这些事情如果不搞好，可能会抵消中小学教育方面的巨大进展。

如果能上Bell HS GP的，还是应该去，比留在EOM和All Saints好。
Bell的文科一直非常好，EOM还是差点。

 

[ert0000]

如果能上Bell HS GP的，还是应该去，比留在EOM和All Saints好。
Bell的文科一直非常好，EOM还是差点。

所以EOM这次文科大突破，我就不在CB/IB前说了。

 

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在这名单中平均偏差数值越低的, 中学成绩认可程度越高。

Bell High 10.4
Earl of March SS 10.5
ALL SAINT HH 10.5
NEPEAN HIGH 10.7
COLONEL BY SS 11.7
LISGAR 12.4

https://globalnews.ca/news/4405495/waterloo-engineering-grade-inflation-list/

One university’s secret list to judge applicants by their high schools – not just their marks
By Patrick CainNational Online Journalist, News Global News

Rebecca Judd, now 19, found her first term at the University of Ottawa last fall a cold shock. Her Grimsby, Ont., high school could have done much more to prepare her, she says.

“In high school, I definitely tried very hard for my marks, and I feel that sometimes I got the marks I deserved, but other times I did not try very hard at all, and still found that good marks were pretty effortless. In university, that is not how education works at all.”

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Judd’s experience wouldn’t have been a surprise to the University of Waterloo’s engineering faculty, 500 kilometres down the highway.

For decades, Waterloo has been using a list of which Ontario high schools’ marks matched the marks their graduates got in engineering school — and which didn’t.

For admissions officers, it meant that they didn’t always have to take marks completely at face value. Universities don’t have much to go on, other than marks, when they made admission decisions, but the same mark from three different schools can mean three different things.

A generation ago, Waterloo’s engineers realized the solution was right under their noses — in their own data.

Waterloo could already tell what school inflated its marks by how much, by comparing the final high school marks students were admitted with to the marks at the end of first year. For schools whose graduates were admitted often enough to reach conclusions, that information could be used to help make future admissions decisions.

So they made a list of which high schools’ graduates had small gaps — and which had large ones. They called the gap the “adjustment factor.” Armed with this information, admissions officers could deal with the next year’s crop of applicants more fairly.

The existence of the list wasn’t a secret — but its contents were.

And at the top of the list, three years running, was the worst offender: Grimsby Secondary School.

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GSS graduates who ended up in engineering at Waterloo saw their marks drop over 27 per cent, as opposed to 16 per cent for an average Ontario high school not on the list. Some 45 high schools’ graduates had drops below 16 per cent —Toronto’s L’Amoreaux Collegiate Institute, for example, had a drop of just under 10 per cent.

Waterloo’s list helps solve two problems that come from universities accepting high school marks uncritically.

First, students with inflated marks risk being placed in programs they’re not prepared for. As well, the university risks being unfair to graduates of schools with more rigorous marking standards.

“You’re not doing a student any favours if they get into university and aren’t well-prepared for the challenge,” says Greg Moran, who ran admissions for the University of Western Ontario in the 1990s. “They are going to suffer the failure and frustration that that involves.”

Waterloo updates the list every year. Schools fall off and others are added, depending on whether the faculty has seen enough recent examples to draw conclusions.

“There’s always pressure for the marks to be fairly high,” retired Edmonton science and chemistry teacher Lynden Dorval explains.

“At high schools, you always want your students to do well, so you’re always struggling with the issue of making it a little too easy, because everybody’s happy when the marks go up. The principal is happy, the superintendent is happy, the parents are happy, students are happy.”

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Moran calls grading inconsistency between schools “a massive problem.”

“It’s a great expense to the province, the students, and to the university to bring them to university, and you want them to succeed.”

“The issue of whether or not their grades are a good indicator of the extent to which they’re well-prepared for university is an important issue.”

Bill Anderson, a chemical engineering professor who has been the Waterloo engineering’s admission director for the last 10 years, calls the list “one of our tools in the tool kit to select students that would be a good fit.”

“It plays a role, obviously, but it’s only one of the things we’re looking at.”

“Obviously, we look at grades. We look at the adjustment factor. We look at extracurricular activities, awards, participation in events. We also look at potential work experience, volunteer experience that looks like work. We also look for some indication that they know what engineering is about — what they’re getting into, why they’re getting into it.”

For students at about two-thirds of the schools on the list, the adjustment factor works in their favour — their school’s graduates had lower-than-average gaps.

Some 74 Ontario high schools were on Waterloo’s list at some point in the 2016, 2017 or 2018 admission cycles. Some were on the list for all three years, and others for only one. The average in the table below is the average for the years available, which varies.

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At a board level, schools in the public boards in Toronto, York Region and Ottawa, and in the separate boards in Ottawa and York Region, had average adjustment factors below 16 per cent. Only one school, Toronto’s L’Amoreaux Collegiate Institute, was below 10 per cent.

Of the five private schools on the list, four had adjustment factors above 16 per cent.

Waterloo also applies the concept between provinces in Canada, and for international applicants. Students from New Brunswick had their marks drop about 26 per cent, while graduates of Quebec’s CEGEPstream by only 5.2 per cent.

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请问热狗大哥，没上榜的学校怎么算分数？不上蓝翔的学科有这参考值吗？

 

[ert0000]

请问热狗大哥，没上榜的学校怎么算分数？不上蓝翔的学科有这参考值吗？

如果孩子以后不是理工方向发展，没必要在意这名单。如果是理工方向，这名单就有很大参考价值了。

我有深挖了一把大数据， 做些修正。这名单是根据所有被WATERLOO 工程录取的学生的高中成绩评判。如果你孩子的学校没在这名单上，两个可能。

1）在名单的中间是ANY OTHER。就是在注水率在14.2 到19 （平均16.3）之中。估计数量较多。人家就不细列了。
这么说实际WATERLOO工程录取的学生来源安省的高中数量应该是超过列出名字的73.

在黑线以上的学校就是注水很严重的，就是上了黑名单了，以后录取数量肯定大打折扣了。在黑线以下的学校就是白名单， 肯定会增加录取了。这符合正常客观的选拔原则吧。

有趣的是我发现，在这名单上的被点名批评的高中，其实都是好学校，黑名单第一的最遭非议的GRIMSBY高中，其实在EQAO排名在141/747， 另外一所VAUGHAN， 是196/747.

可见安省中学教育远远落后。 滑大这次可是狠狠得打了安省中学教育体系的脸了。教育局长，绝大多数安省高中的校长和老师应该是很生气了吧。

141/747 148/623 — Grimsby Grimsby 7.4 7.2 Add to compare
196/747 104/623 — Vaughan Thornhill 7.1 7.5 Add to compare

2）第二种可能是， 孩子学校没有被WATERLOO 工程录取的记录。

 

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如果孩子以后不是理工方向发展，没必要在意这名单。如果是理工方向，这名单就有很大参考价值了。

我有深挖了一把大数据， 做些修正。这名单是根据所有被WATERLOO 工程录取的学生的高中成绩评判。如果你孩子的学校没在这名单上，两个可能。

1）在名单的中间是ANY OTHER。就是在注水率在14.2 到19 （平均16.3）之中。估计数量较多。人家就不细列了。
这么说实际WATERLOO工程录取的学生来源安省的高中数量应该是超过列出名字的73.

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在黑线以上的学校就是注水很严重的，就是上了黑名单了，以后录取数量肯定大打折扣了。在黑线以下的学校就是白名单， 肯定会增加录取了。这符合正常客观的选拔原则吧。

有趣的是我发现，在这名单上的被点名批评的高中，其实都是好学校，黑名单第一的最遭非议的GRIMSBY高中，其实在EQAO排名在141/747， 另外一所VAUGHAN， 是196/747.

可见安省中学教育远远落后。 滑大这次可是狠狠得打了安省中学教育体系的脸了。教育局长应该是气疯了吧。

141/747 148/623 — Grimsby Grimsby 7.4 7.2 Add to compare
196/747 104/623 — Vaughan Thornhill 7.1 7.5 Add to compare

2）第二种可能是， 孩子学校没有被WATERLOO 工程录取的记录。

您这工作做得到家了还好我们压根儿没往蓝翔凑热闹

 

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您这工作做得到家了还好我们压根儿没往蓝翔凑热闹

你说的这么热闹我还以为丽处要孟母搬家换学校呢。。。
什么时候大侄子想通了要上篮翔，提前两年告诉我。。我帮你在何数学补习班排个队。

 

[ert0000]

您这工作做得到家了还好我们压根儿没往蓝翔凑热闹

您就是属于拎得清的明白人啊。很多蓝翔毕业生最后还得给数理化很一般的普通大学毕业的老板打工啊。

大家一窝蜂的去让大家尊敬羡慕的好学校，心情可以理解。但是得看孩子客观情况了。EOM 10/11/12年级还是有相当比例的学生在总评80以下。如果孩子喜欢数理化，并能不落入BOTTOM 1/3的，严厉的校内评分是有利于孩子发展的， 如果落入BOTTOM 1/3, 就是负反馈了。应该去给分不是过分严厉的好学校。孩子自信心也能树立。

EOM“恶”名远扬，美国有些著名大学都知道EOM这恶名了。高中很多较真学究式样的老师被戏称为分数“屠夫”，学生最后拿到总分一个个灰头土脸。

千万别往EOM聚集了，就是一个蓝翔啊。现在卡北都堵塞了，且佛晓了。谢谢大家了。

 

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你说的这么热闹我还以为丽处要孟母搬家换学校呢。。。
什么时候大侄子想通了要上篮翔，提前两年告诉我。。我帮你在何数学补习班排个队。

村长讲话：我们是奇葩我们为村里的华娃们在探索另一条出路，如果杀出来了，也给那些从小不致力于学医、学计算机的娃们趟条道