有趣的加拿大仁慈现象和难以理解的事实

[Kent以东首帅哥]

如果他们想过$500一个月不劳而获的日子,就让他们去过好了.那样虽然能活下去,但也仅仅是能活下去而已.
不能申请信用卡,不能开车,没钱回国,太多限制了.

 

[Lockheedmartin]

最初由 再见蜜月期！！！ 发布
这些人最可恶！不仅给政府增加负担，还给破坏中国的国际形象，为达到一己私欲，无恶不作！

同意。推一万步讲：你要搞，你搞得有点儿创意也行，搞得有点规矩也好。全都是地痞无赖的那几招把戏，然后大大方方的拿救济，别说是鬼子了，中国人自己看着就恶心，活的没尊严。

 

[华哥]

虽然加拿大的难民政策有问题，我对她的仁慈还是很赞同的。这是加拿大政府，或者说加拿大人的可爱之处。记得当年越南排华，大批越南难民被赶上茫茫的大洋，他们历经千辛万苦，中途也不知有多少人葬身鱼腹，来到加拿大，被受留了下来。对他们来讲，加拿大是他们的救世主。他们的后代，许许多多现在也在为加拿大交税，为社会服务。

 

[流星]

有家庭成功的打现金工,5-10年后可以积累10-20万的现金,然后去掉难民身份,做买卖.

慢慢开上宝马

真有这样的人

最初由 Kent以东首帅哥 发布
如果他们想过$500一个月不劳而获的日子,就让他们去过好了.那样虽然能活下去,但也仅仅是能活下去而已.
不能申请信用卡,不能开车,没钱回国,太多限制了.

 

[oread]

You are entirely missing my point. I was not debating on whether Canada is a perfect country or not, I was enraged by the original post's attitude towards immigrants and refugees.

I think Canada is an extremely generous country. It's rather amusing that those who do not contribute to the society (in fact take the most advantage out of the society) tend to complain the most about it. I've seen too much bitching (excuse the language) about how crappy Canada is treating its immigrants, and frankly I've got one thing to say: you too have a CHOICE, a choice to live in this country or go to wherever you feel happy, China, Australia, Madagascar for all I care, simple as that.

最初由 lifeisfun 发布


I don't agree with your points. Canada is a generous country doesn't mean it's a perfect country. One has the right to receive welfare doesn't mean that he doesn't have to work. There are plenty low pay work outside but still some people even don't borther to try them. Instead they just reply on the welfare and doing nothing. It's not fare then for those who work hard and still earn no more than those on welfare. Yes, it's not right to just compare the refugee and immigrants as in each group, there are some good or bad guys. One advantage of keeping a generous welfare system is to reduce the crime rate, I don't see any other benefit of it.

 

[qlgc]

来自没有宗教信仰的国家的人，是无法理解博爱和平等的。加拿大以基督教及其分支立国，很多事情的出发点都和圣经隐隐相关。那些在这个国家生活不到五年（或许更长，unlikely though）的人，对人家的文化背景，宗教信仰，价值观念毫无认识，有什么资格横加指责人家奉行了大半个世纪的移民和难民政策？

回到原题，为什么难民比你移民爽？很简单，因为他们是难民，在申请难民身份的时候，他们已经声明自己一无所有，只能靠别人的怜悯过活。你技术移民(独立移民) ，是自己千辛万苦，左一个右一个document证明了你自己可以在这个国家自食其力的。来到这里找不到饭吃，除了自己加倍努力之外还可以埋原谁？如果混不下去，当然也可以扔掉自尊去领救济。在加拿大，只要肯干，还没有人会饿死。

 

[Bob]

来自没有宗教信仰的国家的人，是无法理解博爱和平等的。加拿大以基督教及其分支立国，很多事情的出发点都和圣经隐隐相关。那些在这个国家生活不到五年（或许更长，unlikely though）的人，对人家的文化背景，宗教信仰，价值观念毫无认识，有什么资格横加指责人家奉行了大半个世纪的移民和难民政策？

回到原题，为什么难民比你移民爽？很简单，因为他们是难民，在申请难民身份的时候，他们已经声明自己一无所有，只能靠别人的怜悯过活。你技术移民(独立移民) ，是自己千辛万苦，左一个右一个document证明了你自己可以在这个国家自食其力的。来到这里找不到饭吃，除了自己加倍努力之外还可以埋原谁？如果混不下去，当然也可以扔掉自尊去领救济。在加拿大，只要肯干，还没有人会饿死。

Well said.

 

[有去无回]

最初由 qlgc 发布

为什么难民比你移民爽？很简单，因为他们是难民，在申请难民身份的时候，他们已经声明自己一无所有，只能靠别人的怜悯过活。你技术移民(独立移民) ，是自己千辛万苦，左一个右一个document证明了你自己可以在这个国家自食其力的。来到这里找不到饭吃，除了自己加倍努力之外还可以埋原谁？如果混不下去，当然也可以扔掉自尊去领救济。在加拿大，只要肯干，还没有人会饿死。

 

[lifeisfun]

最初由 渐渐 发布
You are entirely missing my point. I was not debating on whether Canada is a perfect country or not, I was enraged by the original post's attitude towards immigrants and refugees.

I think Canada is an extremely generous country. It's rather amusing that those who do not contribute to the society (in fact take the most advantage out of the society) tend to complain the most about it. I've seen too much bitching (excuse the language) about how crappy Canada is treating its immigrants, and frankly I've got one thing to say: you too have a CHOICE, a choice to live in this country or go to wherever you feel happy, China, Australia, Madagascar for all I care, simple as that.

You don't have to tell me where I want to live. That's my choice.I want to live here and I want it a better and fair place to live. That's why I would like to point out the weakness of this country and hope this can be improved. I found it's quite funny that some people always like to say either you live here and accept everthing, or you go away to live somewhere else. Remember there is another choice which is to improve where you would like to live.

 

[lifeisfun]

最初由 qlgc 发布
来自没有宗教信仰的国家的人，是无法理解博爱和平等的。加拿大以基督教及其分支立国，很多事情的出发点都和圣经隐隐相关。那些在这个国家生活不到五年（或许更长，unlikely though）的人，对人家的文化背景，宗教信仰，价值观念毫无认识，有什么资格横加指责人家奉行了大半个世纪的移民和难民政策？

回到原题，为什么难民比你移民爽？很简单，因为他们是难民，在申请难民身份的时候，他们已经声明自己一无所有，只能靠别人的怜悯过活。你技术移民(独立移民) ，是自己千辛万苦，左一个右一个document证明了你自己可以在这个国家自食其力的。来到这里找不到饭吃，除了自己加倍努力之外还可以埋原谁？如果混不下去，当然也可以扔掉自尊去领救济。在加拿大，只要肯干，还没有人会饿死。

It looks that you seems quite understand the policy for Canada immigration and refugees. I guess you miss one point that this policy also evolve in the last century, and therefore, it's not a fixed one. Don't forget everyone has the right to express his own view and that's the foundation of the democratic country. So don't say something that one doesn't have the qualification to criticize the policy.

Talking about the refugee, there are indeed many people who lost anything and come to Canada for better life, but there are other who abuse this system to achieve his own goal. I think we are not blaming those to have no skill and ability but turn to welfare for a living. We are blaming those who don't even want to try to work but just reply on the social assistance for their whole life. That's not fair.

 

[talk]

最初由 qlgc 发布
来自没有宗教信仰的国家的人，是无法理解博爱和平等的。加拿大以基督教及其分支立国，很多事情的出发点都和圣经隐隐相关。那些在这个国家生活不到五年（或许更长，unlikely though）的人，对人家的文化背景，宗教信仰，价值观念毫无认识，有什么资格横加指责人家奉行了大半个世纪的移民和难民政策？

您再和我们说说人头税是怎么回事儿？

 

[yh_abc]

Personally, I agree with lifeisfun, Canada is a country I love but it does not mean I cannot point out its weakness and unfairness in the society, all said, we are here to contribute to the better environment of the society. If criticism is not allowed here, what a joke !

 

[talk]

最初由 yh_abc 发布
Personally, I agree with lifeisfun, Canada is a country I love but it does not mean I cannot point out its weakness and unfairness in the society, all said, we are here to contribute to the better environment of the society. If criticism is not allowed here, what a joke !

The joke is if you criticise China, you would be praised as smart and indepent thinking. But never try to do it to western country, you would be too naive.

 

[有去无回]

最初由 lifeisfun 发布


It looks that you seems quite understand the policy for Canada immigration and refugees. I guess you miss one point that this policy also evolve in the last century, and therefore, it's not a fixed one. Don't forget everyone has the right to express his own view and that's the foundation of the democratic country. So don't say something that one doesn't have the qualification to criticize the policy.

放之千里皆准，辩驳双方都适用。

最初由 lifeisfun 发布
Talking about the refugee, there are indeed many people who lost anything and come to Canada for better life, but there are other who abuse this system to achieve his own goal. I think we are not blaming those to have no skill and ability but turn to welfare for a living. We are blaming those who don't even want to try to work but just reply on the social assistance for their whole life. That's not fair.

有分寸，但是跟原话题不符。
本人从原话题中看到的是对加拿大目前整个难民和移民待遇的不满，而不是笔伐那些滥用了加拿大人道救济政策的少部分人。

 

[talk]

最初由 丫丫 发布

放之千里皆准，辩驳双方都适用。

有分寸，但是跟原话题不符。
本人从原话题中看到的是对加拿大目前整个难民和移民待遇的不满，而不是笔伐那些滥用了加拿大人道救济政策的少部分人。

同样的感觉。正方对加拿大目前整个难民和移民待遇不满，反方呢？