Tolga这家计算机店(1723 Carling Ave.)太欺负人了

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Quote from the invoice from Tolga: "All complete systems sold by Tolga Computer Systems Inc. include a one-year parts/two-year labour warranty."

We bought the computer last year in August. When we bought it, the store salesperson cheated us twice by changing brandname of hard-drive and then sold us a sound card and a network card which were already included on the motherboard (which caused hardware conflicts later on when we installed software)!

On July 13 2003, we turned on the computer, it was making a huge noise so we shut it down. We found out the store was not open on Sunday. We opened the computer and tried to clean the CPU fan. We loosed the retention lock of fan to clean(the hooks still in retention holes), put down the retention lock and turned on the computer but got "system failed CPU test" msg.

Following Monday we took it to Tolga. The tech said some CPU pins were bent. He said the CPU adhered to the fan so when we loose the retention lock the CPU came with it and was therefore moved(should this happen? is this our fault?).

According to store rule, if we moved the CPU, the CPU was not their prob any more and we should pay $35 for this check. We agreed to take the responsibility of CPU but insisted to see if motherboard is OK. We argued and finally the tech agreed to check motherboard with their “standard CPU” but we had to pay $35 for this. When we went back to the store and paid $35, he said the motherboard was tested OK. Since we had/heard many bad experiences with Tolga, we said we need to see and believe. He said no showing unless we pay another $35! We had to come home and mailed the “dead CPU” to Intel and Intel mailed us a brandnew one.

We went to Tolga and asked tech to install it. He said there'd be $60 charge. We said too expensive and went to FutureShop. FutureShop got "system failed CPU test" msg when installing the CPU. We said it couldn't be dead cuz it's brandnew so they made an effort to borrow a compatible motherboard to test the CPU and it’s working fine! FutureShop only charged $40+tax while Tolga would charge $60+35! We hurried back to Tolga but tech said the motherboard was OK last time so FutureShop damaged it! Now motherboard is not their prob any more!

During the whole process, we complained to the store manage(whose name is Tolga), so guess there is no more manager we can complain to.

We filed the case on BBB but got a letter from BBB saying "a copy of your letter was sent to the company as a letter of criticism due to the fact that it is outside the scope of the Bureau's operations"

:flaming: :flaming: :crying: :crying:
 
在保修期限内,如果不拆装机器,他们就没话说一定要免费修理。
 
你写的关于拆风扇的内容我看不懂.你为什么写英语?但我个人观点,tolga好像不理亏.也许具体费用要的高,但收费项目好像不离谱.这里的电脑服务都是这样的,装个硬盘都要40块钱.最关键的是你写的风扇的内容我看不懂,不知道你们当初做了什么.而且人家加装声卡和网卡你也应该能看出来,为什么说人家cheat呢?换硬盘牌子不知道是从什么换成什么,而且究竟哪个硬盘好也没官方的排名.是不是cheat现在还不敢说.
 
不过保修期不要自己拆开机器.

如果把CPU拿掉的话,除了静电和把CPU引脚弄弯的危险外,还有可能在CPU放回去的时候,卡子稍微偏一点,结果CPU没有紧密贴在散热片上,有一条微小的缝隙,时间长了也会烧.
 
我买的是整机(零件自己挑),他们负责组装,拿回来自己装软件还要检查硬件吗, 那我还不如自己装呢。他们是干什么吃的。他们说管脚弯了,所以说我们动了CPU, 说是CPU过热是会发生这情况。可我们一大早开computer 就听到巨响立即就关了,说明computer本身就有问题。我们认栽,自己找Intel解决了。(他们说remove CPU,CPU warranty就没了。没说其他的啊。) 其余的事他们总该负责了吧。我这整机还在warranty呢。

拆离CPU风扇时CPU沾在风扇散热片上,我们当时并不知情。我们没拿掉CPU,是Tolga的technician拆开时发现弯管脚的,他说应该是沾在风扇散热片上了。如果我们真的拿掉能没发现弯管脚吗。

而且现在的问题已经不是在CPU上了。 CPU问题我自己解决了。他们说motherboard是好的。但拒绝show给我们看,然后又赖future shop,要看又要加钱。这件事的关键是他们有欺骗行为和他们对顾客的态度。
和Future shop比差别太大!

我现在决定一切自己解决。不能一味地交钱给这些贪得无厌的东西。
第一错在发现Tolga骗人没退货;第二是真不该没事找事去动风扇。
:flaming:
 
最初由 火凤凰 发布
我买的是整机(零件自己挑),他们负责组装,拿回来自己装软件还要检查硬件吗, 那我还不如自己装呢。他们是干什么吃的。他们说管脚弯了,所以说我们动了CPU, 说是CPU过热是会发生这情况。可我们一大早开computer 就听到巨响立即就关了,说明computer本身就有问题。我们认栽,自己找Intel解决了。(他们说remove CPU,CPU warranty就没了。没说其他的啊。) 其余的事他们总该负责了吧。我这整机还在warranty呢。

拆离CPU风扇时CPU沾在风扇散热片上,我们当时并不知情。我们没拿掉CPU,是Tolga的technician拆开时发现弯管脚的,他说应该是沾在风扇散热片上了。如果我们真的拿掉能没发现弯管脚吗。

而且现在的问题已经不是在CPU上了。 CPU问题我自己解决了。他们说motherboard是好的。但拒绝show给我们看,然后又赖future shop,要看又要加钱。这件事的关键是他们有欺骗行为和他们对顾客的态度。
和Future shop比差别太大!

我现在决定一切自己解决。不能一味地交钱给这些贪得无厌的东西。
第一错在发现Tolga骗人没退货;第二是真不该没事找事去动风扇。
:flaming:

奸商奸商,只要是商都很奸,
错就错在不该去拆机箱的,哎,
这种对customers的恶劣态度我在这里见多了,
我都没话说了,省点力气与他们去烦
这么点钱让他们去赚去好了,塞死他们
 
最初由 火凤凰 发布
我买的是整机(零件自己挑),他们负责组装,拿回来自己装软件还要检查硬件吗, 那我还不如自己装呢。他们是干什么吃的。他们说管脚弯了,所以说我们动了CPU, 说是CPU过热是会发生这情况。可我们一大早开computer 就听到巨响立即就关了,说明computer本身就有问题。我们认栽,自己找Intel解决了。(他们说remove CPU,CPU warranty就没了。没说其他的啊。) 其余的事他们总该负责了吧。我这整机还在warranty呢。

拆离CPU风扇时CPU沾在风扇散热片上,我们当时并不知情。我们没拿掉CPU,是Tolga的technician拆开时发现弯管脚的,他说应该是沾在风扇散热片上了。如果我们真的拿掉能没发现弯管脚吗。

而且现在的问题已经不是在CPU上了。 CPU问题我自己解决了。他们说motherboard是好的。但拒绝show给我们看,然后又赖future shop,要看又要加钱。这件事的关键是他们有欺骗行为和他们对顾客的态度。
和Future shop比差别太大!

我现在决定一切自己解决。不能一味地交钱给这些贪得无厌的东西。
第一错在发现Tolga骗人没退货;第二是真不该没事找事去动风扇。
:flaming:

我的帖子没有帮助tolga说话的意思.但你说的东西都是在某种程度上可以归结为正常的范围以内的.
1.主板集成声卡和网卡,不见得就不需要再配声卡和网卡.很多人都嫌集成的声卡不好另加声卡的,加网卡的不多,但你一直没说tolga的人是怎么说服你再装声卡和网卡的,如果你当初同意了,就不能说人家cheat.
2.清理风扇是很细致的活,而把cpu取出来和安装也是要很小心的,看得出来你不懂具体的细节,所以那些socket上的卡扣,风扇的卡具,cpu的安插方向等等,都会造成你损坏cpu.你一直没说怎么清理的风扇,估计你是不太清楚应该怎么做.我觉得你人为损坏的可能性很大.
3.至于主板到底是什么时候坏的.不好说.即使是当时就坏了,tolga也会把责任放在你身上.因为很可能是因为你移动cpu造成的主板被烧坏.你好好看看保修的条例,人为损坏,使用不当造成的损坏是不在保修条例内的.

至于futureshop和这些零售店孰好孰坏,那是仁者见仁智者见智了.

我知道我的帖子你不喜欢,但都是比较客观的.不懂的东西,买的时候要小心,保修条例要看好,不是很清楚的话就不要乱拆.我承认这里的零售商的一些规矩很tricky,但人家事先都会声明的,无论是明显的还是不明显的,总之人家到时候会有话说.所以我说这件事他们不理亏.记住教训吧,以后买东西要注意了.尤其是不要拆.嘿嘿.
 
组装的新机器,多在后盖螺丝上加贴open will void warrant 的封条。
如果没有把握,千万不要自己打开。

不知你是那家的主板,主板损坏的机会一般较小。如果你自已有把握,可以
把机器拿回来自已装CPU。不过,我看你的情况,把CPU拿去店里,让他们
帮你装上为好。
 
最初由 火凤凰 发布
Quote from the invoice from Tolga: "All complete systems sold by Tolga Computer Systems Inc. include a one-year parts/two-year labour warranty."

We bought the computer last year in August. When we bought it, the store salesperson cheated us twice by changing brandname of hard-drive and then sold us a sound card and a network card which were already included on the motherboard (which caused hardware conflicts later on when we installed software)!

On July 13 2003, we turned on the computer, it was making a huge noise so we shut it down. We found out the store was not open on Sunday. We opened the computer and tried to clean the CPU fan. We loosed the retention lock of fan to clean(the hooks still in retention holes), put down the retention lock and turned on the computer but got "system failed CPU test" msg.

Following Monday we took it to Tolga. The tech said some CPU pins were bent. He said the CPU adhered to the fan so when we loose the retention lock the CPU came with it and was therefore moved(should this happen? is this our fault?).

According to store rule, if we moved the CPU, the CPU was not their prob any more and we should pay $35 for this check. We agreed to take the responsibility of CPU but insisted to see if motherboard is OK. We argued and finally the tech agreed to check motherboard with their “standard CPU” but we had to pay $35 for this. When we went back to the store and paid $35, he said the motherboard was tested OK. Since we had/heard many bad experiences with Tolga, we said we need to see and believe. He said no showing unless we pay another $35! We had to come home and mailed the “dead CPU” to Intel and Intel mailed us a brandnew one.

We went to Tolga and asked tech to install it. He said there'd be $60 charge. We said too expensive and went to FutureShop. FutureShop got "system failed CPU test" msg when installing the CPU. We said it couldn't be dead cuz it's brandnew so they made an effort to borrow a compatible motherboard to test the CPU and it’s working fine! FutureShop only charged $40+tax while Tolga would charge $60+35! We hurried back to Tolga but tech said the motherboard was OK last time so FutureShop damaged it! Now motherboard is not their prob any more!

During the whole process, we complained to the store manage(whose name is Tolga), so guess there is no more manager we can complain to.

We filed the case on BBB but got a letter from BBB saying "a copy of your letter was sent to the company as a letter of criticism due to the fact that it is outside the scope of the Bureau's operations"

:flaming: :flaming: :crying: :crying:

看了全文,
这是精明对精明,
到目前为止,
是你方负.
跟制造商吵架是你牛逼,
跟服务商掷气那就是傻逼了.
 
1.主板集成声卡和网卡,不见得就不需要再配声卡和网卡.很多人都嫌集成的声卡不好另加声卡的,加网卡的不多,但你一直没说tolga的人是怎么说服你再装声卡和网卡的,如果你当初同意了,就不能说人家cheat.

FYI, when we worked with the salesperson on the quote, we just told him we want Intel 2G CPU, ASUS motherboard and Maxtor 80G hard-drive, what kind of CDROM... we don't have other requirements for the other stuff. I didn't know ASUS motherboard already has sound card and network card, the salesperson never told us. Is that our fault? After we found the hardware conflict, the salesperson said he didn't know the ASUS motherboard had these cards! How convenient!

2.清理风扇是很细致的活,而把cpu取出来和安装也是要很小心的,看得出来你不懂具体的细节,所以那些socket上的卡扣,风扇的卡具,cpu的安插方向等等,都会造成你损坏cpu.你一直没说怎么清理的风扇,估计你是不太清楚应该怎么做.我觉得你人为损坏的可能性很大.
3.至于主板到底是什么时候坏的.不好说.即使是当时就坏了,tolga也会把责任放在你身上.因为很可能是因为你移动cpu造成的主板被烧坏.你好好看看保修的条例,人为损坏,使用不当造成的损坏是不在保修条例内的.

How many times do I have to tell u they said the motherboard was OK after the CPU-bent-pin incident??? They checked it with their "standard CPU" but they wouldn't show us unless we pay another $35.

:o
 
1.After we found the hardware conflict, the salesperson said he didn't know the ASUS motherboard had these cards! How convenient!

如果他这样说,那他肯定在骗你.

2.FYI, when we worked with the salesperson on the quote, we just told him we want Intel 2G CPU, ASUS motherboard and Maxtor 80G hard-drive, what kind of CDROM... we don't have other requirements for the other stuff. I didn't know ASUS motherboard already has sound card and network card, the salesperson never told us. Is that our fault?

不是你的错.多了我就不解释了,但你这个买法到哪个店都会上当的包括futureshop,你绝对会花大头钱.建议你以后找个明白点的朋友陪着你去

3.How many times do I have to tell u they said the motherboard was OK after the CPU-bent-pin incident??? They checked it with their "standard CPU" but they wouldn't show us unless we pay another $35.

他收35,有点牵强,服务态度不好.但这个主板到底什么时候坏的,你还真不能排除是在futureshop弄坏的.futureshop的人估计还没这些电脑店里的人强.

建议你以后买东西找明白人陪着,不要相信futureshop就怎么怎么好,该骗你一样骗你.
 
这年头干什么买组装的
买个品牌的,肯定不会坏的,
价格现在都差不多了,
 
CPU坏了,也可能把主板带坏啊.特别是那个机,让tolga动过,又让future shop动过,大概当初看到"system failed cpu test"后,你也弄过一阵,所以是笔糊涂帐了.
 
eh, future shop is very good, I lost my receipt but the PC is in warranty, they checked my name and phone number, fixed it. And I lost that receipt again. When I went to FS, they asked my name and gave me the PC. very nice.
 
基本上都是你自己的错。
多买声卡和网卡绝对是你自己的责任。零件是你自己挑的,多买了责任在你,至于一台电脑可以配多少声卡网卡,完全在你自己,事实上外置声卡一般更好,多个网卡可以做网关等特殊用途,我以前的机器就有3个网卡,店方没有义务多嘴,否则反而显得他们外行。若是多装两个显卡做双屏写网页,多个CD-RW等也很爽。硬件冲突问题完全是你不会正确安装,事实上,只要安装设置正确,两个声卡完全可以正常工作,两个网卡更不在话下。

私自或请第三方打开机箱即使不动任何零件都会导致质保协议立即失效,这个责任在你。

质保协议失效导致以后的维修事实上处于质保期外,$35的检查费在Ottawa已经非常便宜了。很多店按小时收费一般在60~80每小时的水平上,最少单位一般都是半小时。别人没有骗你,你完全可以到第三方去维修。

技术上讲,拆卸CPU风扇极易导致CPU及主机受损,正确做法是每次安装风扇都要涂上足够的导热硅胶,以确保散热,新的CPU风扇都有此硅胶涂层,安装一次以后,再次安装就要自己再另涂了。至于管脚安出问题来是绝对不应当的。

因此,没有金刚钻就不要揽瓷器活,购买安装电脑虽然简单,若为了省钱就要懂行,不懂行就乖乖买装好的整机,不要乱来。别给我狡辩说某某的朋友帮某某配的机器如何如何,那是别人间的人情。选配机器是要花时间和精力的(而且是专业人士的时间和精力),这是值钱的,这行人员的每小时的人力成本不比车行的油漆工低(车行的体力活行情是45~90每小时),你可以请朋友,但这是别人在帮你。
 
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