中国初二平均数学水平横扫美国高三学生

在渥太华遇到过五六位科学家了,有计算机的,有信息工程的,有社会科学的,还有一位心脑科的,单从家居来看,怎么也比不上一些开餐馆的土豪。
 
一定要给孩子充分时间自己支配,纯粹的玩,哪怕是打游戏
补习数学什么的,是吃饱了撑的
学校学的足够了。。。除非您希望孩子参加数学比赛长脸什么的
否则,跟教学进度学的数学为什么不够?
老胡,也不能说的太绝对。安省的小学和初中的算数教学(法语学校要好得多)是有问题的,6年级全省统考50%的学生不及格。我不认为参加数学比赛有什么用,但作为家长课外关注一下恐怕还是有必要的。
 
这是事实,不是听说,是经历
德国教育制度更绝,中国人受不了
四年级教师就根据学生学习情况把学生分三类,上大学或专科了
家长极少不服气的
所以德国有世界上最棒的工程师。
 
在渥太华遇到过五六位科学家了,有计算机的,有信息工程的,有社会科学的,还有一位心脑科的,单从家居来看,怎么也比不上一些开餐馆的土豪。
我的一位同事家里就是在村里开餐馆的,他是铁心要把自己的孩子培养成科学家,呵呵。
 
本科一年级那成绩,惨不忍睹,有的专业有的课30-40%不及格的。

当年做TA就按这比例杀,有罪孽感啊!
你说得对,加拿大本科,尤其是理工类,第一年不及格比例相当的高, 有的说法是50%, 你这里30-40%估计是很多年前的数据。这正说明加拿大的中小学教纲严重落后, 连英文主流媒体都在报道和议论这现象,这正说明家长给孩子在中小学阶段猛补数理化的重要性,想明白的,孩子以后上大学就很难出现第一年因为基础数理化硬技能跟不上被学校踢除的尴尬。 我听说的被大学因为学业跟不上的例子几乎没有听说老中的例子。说明老中家长主流还是用了心的。现在这里的中学打分很松, 排名不在前列的中学98.99.100比比皆是,少部分还进了名牌大学,等进了大学,就原形毕露了。基本功扎实的很轻松,混的就惨了。

至于质疑老中孩子为啥不能在非理工类有作为,那就是很大的课题了。想想马云这样的非理工类生,杂牌学校的,他确实有非凡能力,为啥能在中国成功, 如果把他放在美国,顶多以后就做个小生意糊口罢了,想想为啥? 想通了,其它理工还是非理工在美国,加拿大还是西欧的发展就搞清楚了。
 
在渥太华遇到过五六位科学家了,有计算机的,有信息工程的,有社会科学的,还有一位心脑科的,单从家居来看,怎么也比不上一些开餐馆的土豪。

我那导师住的房子,恐怕没有几个国移会看得上会买来住。
 
你说得对,加拿大本科,尤其是理工类,第一年不及格比例相当的高, 有的说法是50%, 你这里30-40%估计是很多年前的数据。这正说明加拿大的中小学教纲严重落后, 连英文主流媒体都在报道和议论这现象,这正说明家长给孩子在中小学阶段猛补数理化的重要性,想明白的,孩子以后上大学就很难出现第一年因为基础数理化硬技能跟不上被学校踢除的尴尬。 我听说的被大学因为学业跟不上的例子几乎没有听说老中的例子。说明老中家长主流还是用了心的。现在这里的中学打分很松, 排名不在前列的中学98.99.100比比皆是,少部分还进了名牌大学,等进了大学,就原形毕露了。基本功扎实的很轻松,混的就惨了。

至于质疑老中孩子为啥不能在非理工类有作为,那就是很大的课题了。想想马云这样的非理工类生,杂牌学校的,他确实有非凡能力,为啥能在中国成功, 如果把他放在美国,顶多以后就做个小生意糊口罢了,想想为啥? 想通了,其它理工还是非理工在美国,加拿大还是西欧的发展就搞清楚了。

又掐指头在算吧?胡说什么啊!

杀掉30-40%也好或者50%也好,那就是这里的教育体制和招生做法。一年级没有那额外的30-40%或者50%,如何保证给更多的人一个平等竞争机会,学校哪里来那么多的经费(TA的钱哪里来?),如何实行淘汰制,如何保证教育质量。
 
听听主流是咋说的。

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/whos-failing-math-the-system/article14112165/

MARGARET WENTE

Who’s failing math? The system
MARGARET WENTE


The Globe and Mail

Published Thursday, Sep. 05, 2013 6:00AM EDT

Last updated Friday, Sep. 06, 2013 9:22AM EDT


Here’s some bad news from the world of education: Math scores are in decline across Canada. Just as kids in Poland and Portugal and other formerly disadvantaged countries are taking great leaps forward, ours are going backward. Our high schools are graduating kids who have failed to grasp the fundamentals, and our universities are full of students who are struggling to master material they should have learned in high school.


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What’s gone wrong isn’t a mystery. For the past decade and more, school systems across the country have been performing a vast experiment on your children. They have discarded “rote” learning in favour of “discovery,” a process by which students are supposed to come up with their own solutions to the mysteries of arithmetic. There’s ample evidence that this approach leaves millions of kids (to say nothing of their parents) baffled and confused, and it is being abandoned in large parts of the United States. This has not deterred legions of Canadian education theorists and consultants from pressing on. Perhaps they’re secretly in league with Kumon and Sylvan to drum up business.

Ontario Education Minister Liz Sandals thinks she knows why scores are slipping. Most elementary school teachers have backgrounds in the liberal arts. Their acquaintance with math is sketchy at best. (Ms. Sandals, no slouch with numbers, has a masters degree in math.) And teachers’ college doesn’t give them enough grounding. “We need to deal with math so that the teachers have the same comfort level with teaching math that they do with reading and writing,” she said last week.

Actually, the problem is much deeper than that. The teachers may be clueless, but the methods they’re supposed to use are bound to fail. The curriculum has downgraded arithmetic to near-invisibility. The “progressive” approach to instruction guarantees that many students will not master basic skills, will not understand fractions, will not learn to multiply or divide two-digit numbers on their own. After all, that’s what calculators are for!

“Provincial curriculum guides and math textbooks have been systematically expunged of the standard algorithms,” Manitoba teacher Michael Zwaagstra, a leading education critic, told me. An algorithm is simply a rule that tells you how to do stuff. For example, how do you add 2,368 and 9,417? If you learned the standard way, you’ll stack the numbers and start adding from the right: 8+7=15, carry the 1 and so on.

That may be efficient, but it’s hopelessly uncreative. With “discovery” math, kids are encouraged to reinvent the wheel by, say, starting on the left, adding the thousands, then the hundreds, then the tens and ones, and adding them all up at the end. Then they have to write a story about how they got the answer. Needless to say, this takes a whole lot longer.

The trouble is that math is built on fundamentals. If you miss a building block, you’re likely to become progressively confused. To make things worse, the current practice of social promotion – moving kids from grade to grade even if they’re hopelessly at sea – guarantees that armies of youngsters whose parents can’t afford Kumon will be left in the dark. So much for equality in education.

For years, math professors at our leading universities have been telling elementary and high-school educators that their methods don’t work. But the educators and the teachers’ colleges have refused to listen. After all, what do the professors know? They’re just math geeks. They have no idea how to teach children. As a consequence, there is now an almost total disconnect between the math that’s taught in most schools and the math that students need in university or the real world in order to succeed. It’s notable that educators in Eastern Europe and Asia, in particular, are astounded by what they’ve seen happening in North America.

So maybe those sinking test scores are a good thing. The education establishment may be immune to public pressure, but politicians are not. In Manitoba, where math professors and parents have been up in arms, the government has announced a bold new policy – it’s bringing back arithmetic! “Let’s face it,” Education Minister Nancy Allan told the Winnipeg Free Press, “doing math in your head is important.”

As for parents who don’t live in Manitoba, not all is lost. You can lobby, too. You can look up the Khan Academy on YouTube, which offers very good instructional videos for free. Or there’s Kumon and its ilk. Wouldn’t it be nice if our schools could put them out of business?
 
老胡,也不能说的太绝对。安省的小学和初中的算数教学(法语学校要好得多)是有问题的,6年级全省统考50%的学生不及格。我不认为参加数学比赛有什么用,但作为家长课外关注一下恐怕还是有必要的。
魁省的数学老师在上岗前要有两年的培训,不知道村里的法语学校是不是也这样要求。。
安省目前的措施也是拨款培训老师,我觉得路子是对的,希望能见到效果。。
 
你啊,知道ib家长的鸿鹄之志么?我都不敢再说了,否则又一堆家长要失眠了。就ib 11年级这数学教材和中国初三的正匹配,中国高一的都比ib12年级的高,家长都急了。
急什么急,要嫌不过瘾,回国念去:dx:
 
所以也有的学生有机会在一年级结束后转到好的学校去。有淘汰就有位子腾出来。淘汰下来的不少是到了大学没人盯着,不知道怎么学习了,或者是好好自由一下了。
北美学习,后劲很重要
到了高年级,找实习机会,包括后面找工作,有创造性的和没有的,差距就更明显了
看看那些毕业工作好位子,比例怎么不象大学入学那个比例,都是华人孩子啊?
如果最终就是推成优秀打工仔,小学中学学习好一点,差一点,有那么重要吗?
两个反问,针针儿扎到穴位上了:tx::good:
 
学生在哪个阶段学习成绩优秀都是可喜的。关键是那优秀怎么来的,是否能持之以恒到最后。

另外,除了学习成绩好,是否还有其他东西可以吹、可以写进简历。
我儿子班里有个印度女孩天天和他叫上劲了,白人孩子较劲的不多,一说不会,直接去短了:D那印度女孩天天学到12点,我儿子顶多学到8点,其他的全是在我眼里不务正业的东西:D这课外东西占时间太多了:(说实话,半大小子了在数理化方面就没觉得学了什么橫货:buttrock:
 
一定要给孩子充分时间自己支配,纯粹的玩,哪怕是打游戏
补习数学什么的,是吃饱了撑的
学校学的足够了。。。除非您希望孩子参加数学比赛长脸什么的
否则,跟教学进度学的数学为什么不够?
第一句赞同,其他保留意见:p这儿的数学老师估计是学体育出身的:p这儿的孩子的数学心算及演算水平不是一般的差:p据孩子反馈,kumon还是管用的,起码增强了数字敏感度,见数不晕:D数学竞赛啥的不知道是个啥水平,但中国学这些都是学套路,什么两车相向问题,种树问题,钥匙开锁问题。。。。我们曾拿中国5年级最后一道拔高题考这里的人,我是2分钟做出来的,这里医学院大牛蛙做不出来,老师做不出来,两大博士折腾半天半小时做出来了,国内一个上到高一的孩子半分钟都不带想的就做出来了:D
 
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请这里参加数学竞赛的娃们做做这道典型的两车相遇问题。国内五年级教学大纲水平。国内上完小学过来的孩子基本都是秒杀此类题型(不是天才班IB班或者数学竞赛拿奖的)
 
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学习有啥丢人的啊。

我只是没听说哪个IBP的学生还需要“课外加料, 补习,做题”。

他们有那闲工夫还去市内hang out呢。:D

Carleton U办的数学加强班大部分是IB的中国学生.
 
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