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A Canadian judge has ordered that Huawei Technologies chief financial officer Sabrina Meng Wanzhou be released on C$10 million (US$7.5 million) in bail, prompting applause and gasps in a Vancouver courtroom.
Mr Justice William Ehrcke also ordered that Meng wear a GPS ankle bracelet, submit to the supervision of a private security firm, and surrender her two passports.
The judge told the packed courtroom in the British Columbia Supreme Court on Tuesday afternoon that bail would be set at C$10 million, including a cash deposit of C$7 million (US$5.2 million) from Meng and her husband Liu Xiaozong, and C$3 million (US$2.2 million) pledged by friends acting as sureties.
As the judge finished issuing his ruling, Liu leaned forward in his seat and clasped his face in apparent relief.
Ehrcke told Meng to return to court on February 6. He commended all parties for their conduct in a “most unusual” case, which displayed the best aspects of an “independent judiciary”.
Meng wiped tears from her eyes as her lawyers congratulated her.
Liu looked Meng in the eye through two layers of bulletproof glass. He grinned broadly and pumped his fist in victory.
The marathon bail hearing had stretched over three days. Lawyer John Gibb-Carsley, representing the attorney general of Canada on behalf of the United States, had strongly opposed Meng’s release, arguing that she had vast resources at her disposal that made her an unacceptable flight risk.
Meng was arrested at Vancouver International Airport on December 1, at the request of the United States, which is seeking her extradition on fraud charges related to alleged breaches of US and EU sanctions on Iran.
Huawei issued a statement moments after the decision.
“We have every confidence that the Canadian and US legal systems will reach a just conclusion in the following proceedings,” it said.
“As we have stressed all along, Huawei complies with all applicable laws and regulations in the countries and regions where we operate, including export control and sanction laws of the UN, US, and EU.
“We look forward to a timely resolution to this matter.”
Earlier, a series of Vancouver residents offered to pledge their homes worth millions of dollars to ensure Meng’s release.
Meng’s lawyer, David J Martin, contended that she should be let free pending any such extradition proceedings, arguing that she was no threat to flee the area and had ties to the Vancouver community.
Meng, a daughter of Huawei founder Ren Zhengfei, owns two homes in Vancouver with Liu, once lived in Vancouver herself and has been a regular traveller to the city.
On Monday, Martin told the judge that Meng would pay for private security guards to monitor her 24 hours a day and seize her if she tried to escape.
Representing the attorney general of Canada, on behalf of the United States, John Gibb-Carsley argued that Meng has access to vast resources and poses an unacceptable flight risk.
Liu Xiaozong, left, Meng’s husband, arriving at the British Columbia Supreme Court Tuesday morning for her bail hearing. Photo: The Canadian Press via AP
As the third day of the hearing got underway on Tuesday, Martin provided to the judge a list of people who could act as surety, in addition to Liu, who is not a resident of Canada. That had been a point of contention, with Gibb-Carsley opposing bail.
They included the Vancouver property agent who helped Meng and Liu buy both their homes here.
“We now meet every year – I consider them good friends,” said the property agent, a Mr Chen, pledging his C$1.8 million home as surety.
Another Vancouver couple, one of whom worked with Meng at Huawei in the 1990s, also pledged C$500,000 in equity in their home to act as surety. They said they understood they could lose their C$1.4 million home if she fled.
A third Vancouverite, whose husband once worked at Huawei with Meng and “knew Ms Meng very well”, pledged their C$6 million home, and also offered to act as personal surety.
Martin said that a fourth friend, a yoga instructor named Ms Peng, was in the public gallery with a cheque for C$50,000 that she would hand over immediately if Meng was granted bail, with Peng acting as surety.
Peng said she had spent much “quality time” with Meng and Liu in Vancouver and she believed Meng would not jeopardise her finances by fleeing.
Sabrina Meng Wanzhou and a family member in Whistler, British Columbia, in a photograph provided to the province’s Supreme Court by her legal team in a bail hearing. Photo: Sabrina Meng Wanzhou via BC Supreme Court
Martin clarified that the home equity and cash being pledged on Tuesday by Meng’s friends amounted to about C$3 million. He said the people lining up to act as surety were “fine folk”.
“These are people pledging their homes, money and confidence to Ms Meng,” he said.
Returning to the issue of whether it was appropriate for Liu to act as surety for his wife, Gibb-Carsely said that the role was primarily one of supervision, as a “jailer in the community” – and that financial pledges were secondary.
”Because their ordinary lives are in China … it is inconceivable to me that if she were to go [and flee], that he wouldn’t go with her,” Gibb-Carsely said.
”Their interests are aligned … he is not an appropriate surety [and] he should be excluded,” Gibb-Carsley added.
Supporters of Sabrina Meng Wanzhou, chief financial officer of Huawei Technologies, outside of a bail hearing at the Supreme Court in Vancouver, British Columbia, on Tuesday. Photo: Bloomberg
On Tuesday, ahead of the decision, outside court, supporters of Meng eagerly awaited the bail result.
A man who identified himself only as James, a 20-year resident of Canada, said he regarded Meng as “a sister” to fellow Chinese. It was his second day protesting at the hearing.
James said he did not read newspapers but had followed the Meng case avidly on WeChat groups. He was incensed by unconfirmed reports that Meng had been shackled during court transfers, calling it “such an insult”.
“She is a mother of four children,” he said. “She is not a murderer … they should release her. Not bail. Just release.”
Heavy rain kept numbers down compared to Monday, when hundreds of members of the public showed up, many loudly supportive of Meng.
But on Tuesday, the 149-seat gallery in the British Columbia Supreme Court’s high-security Courtroom 20 was still packed, with dozens watching proceedings outside on video monitors.
Just ahead of the ruling, there was high anticipation that Meng would be released; one of her lawyers brought a Longchamp duffel bag into court, which he showed Liu.
Meng returned to court after the lunch break in a buoyant mood, laughing with the lawyer who brought the bag.
In oral reasoning before announcing his decision, Ehrcke said that a warrant had been issued for Meng’s arrest on August 22 in New York, but that the US had “not yet filed a certified record of the case”.
In a statement of facts, though, the US accused Meng of conspiring to deceive “numerous” financial institutions about Huawei’s business in Iran in breach of sanctions- specifically, that Huawei used an unofficial subsidiary called Skycom to do business in Iran.
The claims were strongly denied by Meng, Ehrcke noted.
”I am innocent of the allegations against me,” Meng said in an affidavit read out by Ehrcke.
Ehrcke dismissed suggestions that Meng held multiple passports; only two valid passports existed, one issued by China and one by Hong Kong, he said.
The judge was also scathing of US assertions that Meng had deliberately avoided travel to the US since March 2017 because she was aware of a grand jury investigation into Huawei.
That, Ehrcke said, was “entirely speculative” and “without any reliable foundation”.
The US has until January 8 to file a formal extradition request.
A Canadian judge has ordered that Huawei Technologies chief financial officer Sabrina Meng Wanzhou be released on C$10 million (US$7.5 million) in bail, prompting applause and gasps in a Vancouver courtroom.
Mr Justice William Ehrcke also ordered that Meng wear a GPS ankle bracelet, submit to the supervision of a private security firm, and surrender her two passports.
The judge told the packed courtroom in the British Columbia Supreme Court on Tuesday afternoon that bail would be set at C$10 million, including a cash deposit of C$7 million (US$5.2 million) from Meng and her husband Liu Xiaozong, and C$3 million (US$2.2 million) pledged by friends acting as sureties.
As the judge finished issuing his ruling, Liu leaned forward in his seat and clasped his face in apparent relief.
Ehrcke told Meng to return to court on February 6. He commended all parties for their conduct in a “most unusual” case, which displayed the best aspects of an “independent judiciary”.
Meng wiped tears from her eyes as her lawyers congratulated her.
Liu looked Meng in the eye through two layers of bulletproof glass. He grinned broadly and pumped his fist in victory.
The marathon bail hearing had stretched over three days. Lawyer John Gibb-Carsley, representing the attorney general of Canada on behalf of the United States, had strongly opposed Meng’s release, arguing that she had vast resources at her disposal that made her an unacceptable flight risk.
Meng was arrested at Vancouver International Airport on December 1, at the request of the United States, which is seeking her extradition on fraud charges related to alleged breaches of US and EU sanctions on Iran.
Huawei issued a statement moments after the decision.
“We have every confidence that the Canadian and US legal systems will reach a just conclusion in the following proceedings,” it said.
“As we have stressed all along, Huawei complies with all applicable laws and regulations in the countries and regions where we operate, including export control and sanction laws of the UN, US, and EU.
“We look forward to a timely resolution to this matter.”
Earlier, a series of Vancouver residents offered to pledge their homes worth millions of dollars to ensure Meng’s release.
Meng’s lawyer, David J Martin, contended that she should be let free pending any such extradition proceedings, arguing that she was no threat to flee the area and had ties to the Vancouver community.
Meng, a daughter of Huawei founder Ren Zhengfei, owns two homes in Vancouver with Liu, once lived in Vancouver herself and has been a regular traveller to the city.
On Monday, Martin told the judge that Meng would pay for private security guards to monitor her 24 hours a day and seize her if she tried to escape.
Representing the attorney general of Canada, on behalf of the United States, John Gibb-Carsley argued that Meng has access to vast resources and poses an unacceptable flight risk.
Liu Xiaozong, left, Meng’s husband, arriving at the British Columbia Supreme Court Tuesday morning for her bail hearing. Photo: The Canadian Press via AP
As the third day of the hearing got underway on Tuesday, Martin provided to the judge a list of people who could act as surety, in addition to Liu, who is not a resident of Canada. That had been a point of contention, with Gibb-Carsley opposing bail.
They included the Vancouver property agent who helped Meng and Liu buy both their homes here.
“We now meet every year – I consider them good friends,” said the property agent, a Mr Chen, pledging his C$1.8 million home as surety.
Another Vancouver couple, one of whom worked with Meng at Huawei in the 1990s, also pledged C$500,000 in equity in their home to act as surety. They said they understood they could lose their C$1.4 million home if she fled.
A third Vancouverite, whose husband once worked at Huawei with Meng and “knew Ms Meng very well”, pledged their C$6 million home, and also offered to act as personal surety.
Martin said that a fourth friend, a yoga instructor named Ms Peng, was in the public gallery with a cheque for C$50,000 that she would hand over immediately if Meng was granted bail, with Peng acting as surety.
Peng said she had spent much “quality time” with Meng and Liu in Vancouver and she believed Meng would not jeopardise her finances by fleeing.
Sabrina Meng Wanzhou and a family member in Whistler, British Columbia, in a photograph provided to the province’s Supreme Court by her legal team in a bail hearing. Photo: Sabrina Meng Wanzhou via BC Supreme Court
Martin clarified that the home equity and cash being pledged on Tuesday by Meng’s friends amounted to about C$3 million. He said the people lining up to act as surety were “fine folk”.
“These are people pledging their homes, money and confidence to Ms Meng,” he said.
Returning to the issue of whether it was appropriate for Liu to act as surety for his wife, Gibb-Carsely said that the role was primarily one of supervision, as a “jailer in the community” – and that financial pledges were secondary.
”Because their ordinary lives are in China … it is inconceivable to me that if she were to go [and flee], that he wouldn’t go with her,” Gibb-Carsely said.
”Their interests are aligned … he is not an appropriate surety [and] he should be excluded,” Gibb-Carsley added.
Supporters of Sabrina Meng Wanzhou, chief financial officer of Huawei Technologies, outside of a bail hearing at the Supreme Court in Vancouver, British Columbia, on Tuesday. Photo: Bloomberg
On Tuesday, ahead of the decision, outside court, supporters of Meng eagerly awaited the bail result.
A man who identified himself only as James, a 20-year resident of Canada, said he regarded Meng as “a sister” to fellow Chinese. It was his second day protesting at the hearing.
James said he did not read newspapers but had followed the Meng case avidly on WeChat groups. He was incensed by unconfirmed reports that Meng had been shackled during court transfers, calling it “such an insult”.
“She is a mother of four children,” he said. “She is not a murderer … they should release her. Not bail. Just release.”
Heavy rain kept numbers down compared to Monday, when hundreds of members of the public showed up, many loudly supportive of Meng.
But on Tuesday, the 149-seat gallery in the British Columbia Supreme Court’s high-security Courtroom 20 was still packed, with dozens watching proceedings outside on video monitors.
Just ahead of the ruling, there was high anticipation that Meng would be released; one of her lawyers brought a Longchamp duffel bag into court, which he showed Liu.
Meng returned to court after the lunch break in a buoyant mood, laughing with the lawyer who brought the bag.
In oral reasoning before announcing his decision, Ehrcke said that a warrant had been issued for Meng’s arrest on August 22 in New York, but that the US had “not yet filed a certified record of the case”.
In a statement of facts, though, the US accused Meng of conspiring to deceive “numerous” financial institutions about Huawei’s business in Iran in breach of sanctions- specifically, that Huawei used an unofficial subsidiary called Skycom to do business in Iran.
The claims were strongly denied by Meng, Ehrcke noted.
”I am innocent of the allegations against me,” Meng said in an affidavit read out by Ehrcke.
Ehrcke dismissed suggestions that Meng held multiple passports; only two valid passports existed, one issued by China and one by Hong Kong, he said.
The judge was also scathing of US assertions that Meng had deliberately avoided travel to the US since March 2017 because she was aware of a grand jury investigation into Huawei.
That, Ehrcke said, was “entirely speculative” and “without any reliable foundation”.
The US has until January 8 to file a formal extradition request.
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香港特首回应，没有人相信。
香港特首开腔回应孟晚舟多本香港护照
www.creaders.net | 2018-12-10 21:10:17 香港01 | 3条评论 | 查看/发表评论
香港特首林郑月娥当地时间12月11日出席行政会议前，首次开腔回应华为首席财务长孟晚舟持有香港护照的情况，指入境处已覆检孟晚舟的个案，确认她“任何时候只是持有一本有效的特区护照”。
林郑月娥回应孟晚舟案，称任何时候只能有一本香港特区护照
据报道，林郑指，孟晚舟被捕已成为外交事件和处于司法程序，本应不宜评论个案，但鉴于部分人关注她持有的护照，入境处已发表两则声明说明政策外，12月10日亦已覆检个案，并说明孟晚舟获发特区护照的情况是与现今入境政策一致。
她说，“她自从拿了香港永久居民身份后，多次申请过香港特别行政区的护照，每一次申请理由都属于我们可以接受的特定理由，如损坏或个人资料改变。”她强调，每次孟晚舟获发新护照时，旧特区护照已注销，所以“她在任何时候只是持有一本有效的特区护照”。
入境处一直都表示不评论个别个案，林郑指，今次政府澄清事件，是“恐怕别有用心的人会利用事件对香港造成伤害”，如外界对特区护照有怀疑，就会影响几百万港人出外旅游，但她强调，政府原则不变，日后市民不能期望政府每次都翻查个案，怕会侵犯个人私隐。
她指，入境处非“调查”孟晚舟，只是“翻阅和睇返file（文件夹）”，而除了“年、月、日、号码”，形容自己所言的已是事实之全部，希望公众明白政府运作是“基于互信”，重申今次破例评论个案，是因为“部分人士可能会将事件作不必要的政治炒作”，“你可能会话我‘谂多咗’，但我作为行政长官，我要维护市民的利益吧？因为个案被人炒作，有些国家说‘我重新看是否给予你免签证’，这件事是好大件事。” 据悉，华为集团副董事长孟晚舟被指持有至少三本香港特区护照，香港保安局局长李家超12月10日回应称不评论个别案件，但重申任何申请特区护照的人士，只可获发一本有效特区护照。他说，同时拥有三本有效的特区护照既不正常也不应该发生。
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香港特首回应，没有人相信。
香港特首开腔回应孟晚舟多本香港护照
www.creaders.net | 2018-12-10 21:10:17 香港01 | 3条评论 | 查看/发表评论
香港特首林郑月娥当地时间12月11日出席行政会议前，首次开腔回应华为首席财务长孟晚舟持有香港护照的情况，指入境处已覆检孟晚舟的个案，确认她“任何时候只是持有一本有效的特区护照”。
林郑月娥回应孟晚舟案，称任何时候只能有一本香港特区护照
据报道，林郑指，孟晚舟被捕已成为外交事件和处于司法程序，本应不宜评论个案，但鉴于部分人关注她持有的护照，入境处已发表两则声明说明政策外，12月10日亦已覆检个案，并说明孟晚舟获发特区护照的情况是与现今入境政策一致。
她说，“她自从拿了香港永久居民身份后，多次申请过香港特别行政区的护照，每一次申请理由都属于我们可以接受的特定理由，如损坏或个人资料改变。”她强调，每次孟晚舟获发新护照时，旧特区护照已注销，所以“她在任何时候只是持有一本有效的特区护照”。
入境处一直都表示不评论个别个案，林郑指，今次政府澄清事件，是“恐怕别有用心的人会利用事件对香港造成伤害”，如外界对特区护照有怀疑，就会影响几百万港人出外旅游，但她强调，政府原则不变，日后市民不能期望政府每次都翻查个案，怕会侵犯个人私隐。
她指，入境处非“调查”孟晚舟，只是“翻阅和睇返file（文件夹）”，而除了“年、月、日、号码”，形容自己所言的已是事实之全部，希望公众明白政府运作是“基于互信”，重申今次破例评论个案，是因为“部分人士可能会将事件作不必要的政治炒作”，“你可能会话我‘谂多咗’，但我作为行政长官，我要维护市民的利益吧？因为个案被人炒作，有些国家说‘我重新看是否给予你免签证’，这件事是好大件事。” 据悉，华为集团副董事长孟晚舟被指持有至少三本香港特区护照，香港保安局局长李家超12月10日回应称不评论个别案件，但重申任何申请特区护照的人士，只可获发一本有效特区护照。他说，同时拥有三本有效的特区护照既不正常也不应该发生。
中国人不相信中国人。
谁让她这个香港人也是中国人呢
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孟晚舟护照真相大白 阴谋论横行应当反思
京港台：2018-12-13 07:56| 来源：明报社评
华为(专题)副董事长孟晚舟被捕，加拿大(专题)法院批准保释申请，法官批评美方一些说法纯属猜测，澄清孟晚舟只有两本分别由香港(专题)和中国大陆签发的有效护照，否定"持有很多本有效护照"之说。美国司法部为阻保释，有选择地铺陈资料，制造孟晚舟可能潜逃印象，将香港扯入其中，市民欲知真相可以理解，遗憾是不少人先入为主，听信美方一面之词，以讹传讹，甚至上纲上线，对于美国司法部文件明显未有说出事实全部，全无戒心。自由开放社会可贵之处，在于可以监察政府权贵，可是后真相时代成见事实混淆不清，同样需要警惕，孟晚舟护照争议值得反思。
美方陈述事实欠全面 有识之士应审慎看待
美国指控孟晚舟违反美国制裁伊朗禁令，利用香港公司Skycom出售通讯设备给伊朗，孟坚称无辜，事件真相尚待查明。美方官员一再声称孟案与中美贸易谈判无关，可是总统特朗普(专题)却直言，如果"关乎国家安全及有助达成美中贸易协议"，他会介入案件，若有机会他会跟中方讨论。特朗普的说法如同公开承认，孟晚舟案这宗官司，可以成为中美贸易谈判的一部分，外界认为美方欲以孟晚舟作为谈判筹码，属于合理怀疑。
美国司法部向加拿大提交文件，渲染孟晚舟有很多护照，过去7年获得中国大陆和香港特区发出至少7本护照，"完全有可能"还有其他护照，设法放大孟晚舟潜逃的可能，呼吁法院驳回保释申请。美方说法迅即在香港发酵，有人质疑孟晚舟是否违法持有多本有效特区护照，要求政府解释。虽然港府表示，入境处核查确认孟晚舟任何时候只有一本有效特区护照，可是仍然有人认定事件有诈，直至加拿大法院公开孟的3本特区护照相片，澄清她的特区护照只有一本有效，杂音才戛然而止，各方一哄而散，彷彿没事发生过。
国际社会信任香港签证制度，美方文件制造疑惑，损害特区护照国际声誉，长远或影响港人免签证待遇，鑑于事件独特，政府确须尽快回应释除疑虑。香港是自由社会，人人有权提出疑问，孟晚舟特区护照有否问题、特区护照签发制度是否完善，本身都是合理提问，可是部分质疑声音已不属合理怀疑，而是捕风捉影炒作阴谋论，例如有人质疑特区政府是否与内地"勾结"，因为某些人有权有势就不跟规矩发出护照；有人则拿印制特区护照公司的背景做文章，政治黑手论绘影绘声。当有人指他们说法欠缺凭据，随时换来"媚共"一类帽子，理性讨论无从展开。
法庭上控辩双方各为其主，将最有利己方的事实铺陈出来，游戏规则如此，本亦无可厚非，然而令人失望是一些有法律知识的人，对于美国司法部文件有选择陈述事实，似乎全无戒心。美方文件列出孟晚舟7本中港护照号码，惟从未提过7本护照是否全部仍然有效，可是一些人未待加拿大法院跟进，已急不及待表示，美方文件"隐含"孟晚舟3本特区护照有不妥当之意，质疑辩方为何未有力反驳"同时持有3本有效特区护照"一事，彷彿不大张旗鼓澄清也是罪过；特区政府说证件没有问题，则被视为给孟晚舟"辩护"，彷彿只有证明到孟晚舟护照有问题，才算说出"真相"。
合理怀疑与阴谋论 专家应助市民分辨
在香港，同时持有中国和特区护照并无问题，中国《国籍法》亦无明文禁止。诚然，加拿大警员供辞提到，孟晚舟过境用的特区护照，其号码是第二本而非最新的第三本，令人产生疑窦，然而法院已在处理保释申请，各界大可等待法官审视所有证据，先行弄清事实。一开始便隐然将孟视为证件欺诈嫌疑犯，要求特区政府彻查，未免有未审先判之嫌，这类说法不应该出于法律界中人之口。
今次加拿大法院的决定，总算在护照问题还孟晚舟清白。美国司法部文件声称，孟晚舟知道美国司法部正调查华为，所以自2017年3月起"刻意避免"赴美，法官更批评是"全无可靠基础"、"纯属揣测"。若说本港一些有识之士在孟晚舟护照问题上有何不足，恐怕就是少了这份客观批判平常心。
何谓阴谋论，何谓合理怀疑，有时只有一线之隔。阴谋论一大特点是难以证伪、诉诸个人偏见，总之信者恒信，不信者恒不信，像今次护照风波般能够有清晰证据判别真伪，实属少数。大胆假设小心求证是孪生兄弟，缺一不可，正如美国水门案，《华盛顿邮报》两名记者凭着过人新闻触觉，嗅出事有跷蹊，然而发掘真相过程绝不马虎，未有证据前不会妄下判断。后真相年代，事实与成见愈来愈难区分，很多人将阴谋论与合理怀疑混为一谈，专家角色应该是发挥定海神针作用，一边提出问题，一边讲清楚哪些说法有相对充分证据支持，哪些属于揣测或假设，协助公众区分阴谋论与合理怀疑，促进理性讨论。如果专家也参与阴谋论炒作，长远只会影响公众信任，将有识之士的话当成"狼来了"。
京港台：2018-12-13 07:56| 来源：明报社评
华为(专题)副董事长孟晚舟被捕，加拿大(专题)法院批准保释申请，法官批评美方一些说法纯属猜测，澄清孟晚舟只有两本分别由香港(专题)和中国大陆签发的有效护照，否定"持有很多本有效护照"之说。美国司法部为阻保释，有选择地铺陈资料，制造孟晚舟可能潜逃印象，将香港扯入其中，市民欲知真相可以理解，遗憾是不少人先入为主，听信美方一面之词，以讹传讹，甚至上纲上线，对于美国司法部文件明显未有说出事实全部，全无戒心。自由开放社会可贵之处，在于可以监察政府权贵，可是后真相时代成见事实混淆不清，同样需要警惕，孟晚舟护照争议值得反思。
美方陈述事实欠全面 有识之士应审慎看待
美国指控孟晚舟违反美国制裁伊朗禁令，利用香港公司Skycom出售通讯设备给伊朗，孟坚称无辜，事件真相尚待查明。美方官员一再声称孟案与中美贸易谈判无关，可是总统特朗普(专题)却直言，如果"关乎国家安全及有助达成美中贸易协议"，他会介入案件，若有机会他会跟中方讨论。特朗普的说法如同公开承认，孟晚舟案这宗官司，可以成为中美贸易谈判的一部分，外界认为美方欲以孟晚舟作为谈判筹码，属于合理怀疑。
美国司法部向加拿大提交文件，渲染孟晚舟有很多护照，过去7年获得中国大陆和香港特区发出至少7本护照，"完全有可能"还有其他护照，设法放大孟晚舟潜逃的可能，呼吁法院驳回保释申请。美方说法迅即在香港发酵，有人质疑孟晚舟是否违法持有多本有效特区护照，要求政府解释。虽然港府表示，入境处核查确认孟晚舟任何时候只有一本有效特区护照，可是仍然有人认定事件有诈，直至加拿大法院公开孟的3本特区护照相片，澄清她的特区护照只有一本有效，杂音才戛然而止，各方一哄而散，彷彿没事发生过。
国际社会信任香港签证制度，美方文件制造疑惑，损害特区护照国际声誉，长远或影响港人免签证待遇，鑑于事件独特，政府确须尽快回应释除疑虑。香港是自由社会，人人有权提出疑问，孟晚舟特区护照有否问题、特区护照签发制度是否完善，本身都是合理提问，可是部分质疑声音已不属合理怀疑，而是捕风捉影炒作阴谋论，例如有人质疑特区政府是否与内地"勾结"，因为某些人有权有势就不跟规矩发出护照；有人则拿印制特区护照公司的背景做文章，政治黑手论绘影绘声。当有人指他们说法欠缺凭据，随时换来"媚共"一类帽子，理性讨论无从展开。
法庭上控辩双方各为其主，将最有利己方的事实铺陈出来，游戏规则如此，本亦无可厚非，然而令人失望是一些有法律知识的人，对于美国司法部文件有选择陈述事实，似乎全无戒心。美方文件列出孟晚舟7本中港护照号码，惟从未提过7本护照是否全部仍然有效，可是一些人未待加拿大法院跟进，已急不及待表示，美方文件"隐含"孟晚舟3本特区护照有不妥当之意，质疑辩方为何未有力反驳"同时持有3本有效特区护照"一事，彷彿不大张旗鼓澄清也是罪过；特区政府说证件没有问题，则被视为给孟晚舟"辩护"，彷彿只有证明到孟晚舟护照有问题，才算说出"真相"。
合理怀疑与阴谋论 专家应助市民分辨
在香港，同时持有中国和特区护照并无问题，中国《国籍法》亦无明文禁止。诚然，加拿大警员供辞提到，孟晚舟过境用的特区护照，其号码是第二本而非最新的第三本，令人产生疑窦，然而法院已在处理保释申请，各界大可等待法官审视所有证据，先行弄清事实。一开始便隐然将孟视为证件欺诈嫌疑犯，要求特区政府彻查，未免有未审先判之嫌，这类说法不应该出于法律界中人之口。
今次加拿大法院的决定，总算在护照问题还孟晚舟清白。美国司法部文件声称，孟晚舟知道美国司法部正调查华为，所以自2017年3月起"刻意避免"赴美，法官更批评是"全无可靠基础"、"纯属揣测"。若说本港一些有识之士在孟晚舟护照问题上有何不足，恐怕就是少了这份客观批判平常心。
何谓阴谋论，何谓合理怀疑，有时只有一线之隔。阴谋论一大特点是难以证伪、诉诸个人偏见，总之信者恒信，不信者恒不信，像今次护照风波般能够有清晰证据判别真伪，实属少数。大胆假设小心求证是孪生兄弟，缺一不可，正如美国水门案，《华盛顿邮报》两名记者凭着过人新闻触觉，嗅出事有跷蹊，然而发掘真相过程绝不马虎，未有证据前不会妄下判断。后真相年代，事实与成见愈来愈难区分，很多人将阴谋论与合理怀疑混为一谈，专家角色应该是发挥定海神针作用，一边提出问题，一边讲清楚哪些说法有相对充分证据支持，哪些属于揣测或假设，协助公众区分阴谋论与合理怀疑，促进理性讨论。如果专家也参与阴谋论炒作，长远只会影响公众信任，将有识之士的话当成"狼来了"。
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孟晚舟护照真相大白 阴谋论横行应当反思
京港台：2018-12-13 07:56| 来源：明报社评
华为(专题)副董事长孟晚舟被捕，加拿大(专题)法院批准保释申请，法官批评美方一些说法纯属猜测，澄清孟晚舟只有两本分别由香港(专题)和中国大陆签发的有效护照，否定"持有很多本有效护照"之说。美国司法部为阻保释，有选择地铺陈资料，制造孟晚舟可能潜逃印象，将香港扯入其中，市民欲知真相可以理解，遗憾是不少人先入为主，听信美方一面之词，以讹传讹，甚至上纲上线，对于美国司法部文件明显未有说出事实全部，全无戒心。自由开放社会可贵之处，在于可以监察政府权贵，可是后真相时代成见事实混淆不清，同样需要警惕，孟晚舟护照争议值得反思。
美方陈述事实欠全面 有识之士应审慎看待
美国指控孟晚舟违反美国制裁伊朗禁令，利用香港公司Skycom出售通讯设备给伊朗，孟坚称无辜，事件真相尚待查明。美方官员一再声称孟案与中美贸易谈判无关，可是总统特朗普(专题)却直言，如果"关乎国家安全及有助达成美中贸易协议"，他会介入案件，若有机会他会跟中方讨论。特朗普的说法如同公开承认，孟晚舟案这宗官司，可以成为中美贸易谈判的一部分，外界认为美方欲以孟晚舟作为谈判筹码，属于合理怀疑。
美国司法部向加拿大提交文件，渲染孟晚舟有很多护照，过去7年获得中国大陆和香港特区发出至少7本护照，"完全有可能"还有其他护照，设法放大孟晚舟潜逃的可能，呼吁法院驳回保释申请。美方说法迅即在香港发酵，有人质疑孟晚舟是否违法持有多本有效特区护照，要求政府解释。虽然港府表示，入境处核查确认孟晚舟任何时候只有一本有效特区护照，可是仍然有人认定事件有诈，直至加拿大法院公开孟的3本特区护照相片，澄清她的特区护照只有一本有效，杂音才戛然而止，各方一哄而散，彷彿没事发生过。
国际社会信任香港签证制度，美方文件制造疑惑，损害特区护照国际声誉，长远或影响港人免签证待遇，鑑于事件独特，政府确须尽快回应释除疑虑。香港是自由社会，人人有权提出疑问，孟晚舟特区护照有否问题、特区护照签发制度是否完善，本身都是合理提问，可是部分质疑声音已不属合理怀疑，而是捕风捉影炒作阴谋论，例如有人质疑特区政府是否与内地"勾结"，因为某些人有权有势就不跟规矩发出护照；有人则拿印制特区护照公司的背景做文章，政治黑手论绘影绘声。当有人指他们说法欠缺凭据，随时换来"媚共"一类帽子，理性讨论无从展开。
法庭上控辩双方各为其主，将最有利己方的事实铺陈出来，游戏规则如此，本亦无可厚非，然而令人失望是一些有法律知识的人，对于美国司法部文件有选择陈述事实，似乎全无戒心。美方文件列出孟晚舟7本中港护照号码，惟从未提过7本护照是否全部仍然有效，可是一些人未待加拿大法院跟进，已急不及待表示，美方文件"隐含"孟晚舟3本特区护照有不妥当之意，质疑辩方为何未有力反驳"同时持有3本有效特区护照"一事，彷彿不大张旗鼓澄清也是罪过；特区政府说证件没有问题，则被视为给孟晚舟"辩护"，彷彿只有证明到孟晚舟护照有问题，才算说出"真相"。
合理怀疑与阴谋论 专家应助市民分辨
在香港，同时持有中国和特区护照并无问题，中国《国籍法》亦无明文禁止。诚然，加拿大警员供辞提到，孟晚舟过境用的特区护照，其号码是第二本而非最新的第三本，令人产生疑窦，然而法院已在处理保释申请，各界大可等待法官审视所有证据，先行弄清事实。一开始便隐然将孟视为证件欺诈嫌疑犯，要求特区政府彻查，未免有未审先判之嫌，这类说法不应该出于法律界中人之口。
今次加拿大法院的决定，总算在护照问题还孟晚舟清白。美国司法部文件声称，孟晚舟知道美国司法部正调查华为，所以自2017年3月起"刻意避免"赴美，法官更批评是"全无可靠基础"、"纯属揣测"。若说本港一些有识之士在孟晚舟护照问题上有何不足，恐怕就是少了这份客观批判平常心。
何谓阴谋论，何谓合理怀疑，有时只有一线之隔。阴谋论一大特点是难以证伪、诉诸个人偏见，总之信者恒信，不信者恒不信，像今次护照风波般能够有清晰证据判别真伪，实属少数。大胆假设小心求证是孪生兄弟，缺一不可，正如美国水门案，《华盛顿邮报》两名记者凭着过人新闻触觉，嗅出事有跷蹊，然而发掘真相过程绝不马虎，未有证据前不会妄下判断。后真相年代，事实与成见愈来愈难区分，很多人将阴谋论与合理怀疑混为一谈，专家角色应该是发挥定海神针作用，一边提出问题，一边讲清楚哪些说法有相对充分证据支持，哪些属于揣测或假设，协助公众区分阴谋论与合理怀疑，促进理性讨论。如果专家也参与阴谋论炒作，长远只会影响公众信任，将有识之士的话当成"狼来了"。
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Three Hong Kong passports of arrested Huawei exec. Meng Wanzhou revealed in Canadian court
12 December 2018 10:42
Kris Cheng
Three Hong Kong passports belonging to Meng Wanzhou, the top executive of Chinese tech giant Huawei, were revealed in a Canadian court on Tuesday. The evidence supports Hong Kong Chief Executive Carrie Lam’s claim that Meng only had one valid Hong Kong passport at any time.
Meng, who is Huawei’s Chief Financial Officer, was arrested in Vancouver on December 1 – at the request of US authorities – while transferring planes on a trip from Hong Kong to Mexico. She is on trial over Huawei’s alleged violation of US sanctions over Iran. Canadian court documents revealed that she had three Hong Kong passports with different numbers.
Meng Wanzhou’s Hong Kong Passports. Photo: Handout/Apple Daily.
On Tuesday night, Meng was approved bail by a Canadian court with 10 million Canadian dollars (HK$58.45 million). She has been ordered to wear an electronic monitoring device on her leg until the next court hearing on February 6. The judge said the court was satisfied with the fact that Meng had only two valid passports – one from China and one from Hong Kong.
During the bail hearing, Meng’s three Hong Kong passports were submitted to the court. All three had the expiry date of October 18, 2021. The second and the third passports had been issued “in replacement” of the previous ones. The previous ones were cancelled when the new ones were issued.
The first passport was issued on October 18, 2011 with the name Meng Wanzhou. But for the second passport issued on November 7, 2014, Meng had added “Liu” before her surname. Liu is her husband’s surname.
According to an affidavit of Meng’s husband Liu Xiaozong, Liu explained that Meng followed Hong Kong tradition in adding his surname to her name after the marriage, making it Liu Meng Wanzhou. But according to a Hong Kong marriage document revealed at the same court, Meng and Liu married in 2007.
Liu added that Huawei’s legal department said Meng’s new name was not consistent with the company’s employee records, and applied for a third passport with her original name Meng Wanzhou, which was issued on December 19, 2014.
Liu said the third passport is the one that Meng currently uses, and was held by Canadian authorities when she was arrested.
Carrie Lam. Photo: Screenshot.
The details of the three passports alongside Liu’s statements apparently corroborate Chief Executive Carrie Lam’s claim that Meng only had one valid Hong Kong passport at any time.
“Insofar as the issue of passports of Madam Meng, all the procedures and arrangements are in order,” Lam said on Tuesday.
Lawmaker Claudia Mo, convener of the pro-democracy camp, told HKFP on Wednesday that she was satisfied with Lam’s explanation with the evidence now surfaced.
“Except Lam could have clarified sooner to avoid all the unnecessary concerns,” she said.
“I’m still concerned as to why and how Meng could be holding SAR and mainland Chinese passports at the same time. More than curious still,” she added.
Asked if the Hong Kong government should investigate why Meng still holds Chinese passports, Mo said: “Of course. But then we’ll perhaps need to see if indeed Meng’s mainland Chinese passports are valid.”
Chinese citizens are not technically supposed to hold passports from mainland China and Hong Kong.
Claudia Mo. Photo: inmediahk.net.
Meanwhile, US President Donald Trump said on Tuesday he would intervene with the US Justice Department in the case against Meng if it helped secure a trade deal with Beijing.
“If I think it’s good for the country, if I think it’s good for what will be certainly the largest trade deal ever made – which is a very important thing – what’s good for national security – I would certainly intervene if I thought it was necessary,” Trump said in an interview with Reuters in the Oval Office.
https://www.hongkongfp.com/2018/12/...ei-exec-meng-wanzhou-revealed-canadian-court/
12 December 2018 10:42
Kris Cheng
Three Hong Kong passports belonging to Meng Wanzhou, the top executive of Chinese tech giant Huawei, were revealed in a Canadian court on Tuesday. The evidence supports Hong Kong Chief Executive Carrie Lam’s claim that Meng only had one valid Hong Kong passport at any time.
Meng, who is Huawei’s Chief Financial Officer, was arrested in Vancouver on December 1 – at the request of US authorities – while transferring planes on a trip from Hong Kong to Mexico. She is on trial over Huawei’s alleged violation of US sanctions over Iran. Canadian court documents revealed that she had three Hong Kong passports with different numbers.
Meng Wanzhou’s Hong Kong Passports. Photo: Handout/Apple Daily.
On Tuesday night, Meng was approved bail by a Canadian court with 10 million Canadian dollars (HK$58.45 million). She has been ordered to wear an electronic monitoring device on her leg until the next court hearing on February 6. The judge said the court was satisfied with the fact that Meng had only two valid passports – one from China and one from Hong Kong.
During the bail hearing, Meng’s three Hong Kong passports were submitted to the court. All three had the expiry date of October 18, 2021. The second and the third passports had been issued “in replacement” of the previous ones. The previous ones were cancelled when the new ones were issued.
The first passport was issued on October 18, 2011 with the name Meng Wanzhou. But for the second passport issued on November 7, 2014, Meng had added “Liu” before her surname. Liu is her husband’s surname.
According to an affidavit of Meng’s husband Liu Xiaozong, Liu explained that Meng followed Hong Kong tradition in adding his surname to her name after the marriage, making it Liu Meng Wanzhou. But according to a Hong Kong marriage document revealed at the same court, Meng and Liu married in 2007.
Liu added that Huawei’s legal department said Meng’s new name was not consistent with the company’s employee records, and applied for a third passport with her original name Meng Wanzhou, which was issued on December 19, 2014.
Liu said the third passport is the one that Meng currently uses, and was held by Canadian authorities when she was arrested.
Carrie Lam. Photo: Screenshot.
The details of the three passports alongside Liu’s statements apparently corroborate Chief Executive Carrie Lam’s claim that Meng only had one valid Hong Kong passport at any time.
“Insofar as the issue of passports of Madam Meng, all the procedures and arrangements are in order,” Lam said on Tuesday.
Lawmaker Claudia Mo, convener of the pro-democracy camp, told HKFP on Wednesday that she was satisfied with Lam’s explanation with the evidence now surfaced.
“Except Lam could have clarified sooner to avoid all the unnecessary concerns,” she said.
“I’m still concerned as to why and how Meng could be holding SAR and mainland Chinese passports at the same time. More than curious still,” she added.
Asked if the Hong Kong government should investigate why Meng still holds Chinese passports, Mo said: “Of course. But then we’ll perhaps need to see if indeed Meng’s mainland Chinese passports are valid.”
Chinese citizens are not technically supposed to hold passports from mainland China and Hong Kong.
Claudia Mo. Photo: inmediahk.net.
Meanwhile, US President Donald Trump said on Tuesday he would intervene with the US Justice Department in the case against Meng if it helped secure a trade deal with Beijing.
“If I think it’s good for the country, if I think it’s good for what will be certainly the largest trade deal ever made – which is a very important thing – what’s good for national security – I would certainly intervene if I thought it was necessary,” Trump said in an interview with Reuters in the Oval Office.
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The judge said the court was satisfied with the fact that Meng had only two valid passports – one from China and one from Hong Kong.
During the bail hearing, Meng’s three Hong Kong passports were submitted to the court. All three had the expiry date of October 18, 2021. The second and the third passports had been issued “in replacement” of the previous ones. The previous ones were cancelled when the new ones were issued.
The first passport was issued on October 18, 2011 with the name Meng Wanzhou. But for the second passport issued on November 7, 2014, Meng had added “Liu” before her surname. Liu is her husband’s surname.
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香港政府部门还是守章法的。这点我一直相信。
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