Dirty Doug has got to go 安省大学生游行

[gudaox]

加快资金回笼，给后面的学生用。

这话说的。。可能真不懂，可能装不懂

 

[uglyducking]

这笔钱加上减免的10%的学费，总数一年$2000左右

 

[谷歌大侠]

Voluntary Student Unionism

Finally, the Ford government announced the introduction of voluntary student unionism.

这跟你最初说的福特砍了$2000拨款完全是两回事情了。这里是说福特让学生可以选择不加入学生会。选择不加入学生会可以省几十块钱吧，但是也会失去U-Pass, 学生医疗保险等等的购买资格，看吧，有多少学生选择不加入。如果没有了学生会，也就没有了为学生争取权益的组织了，当然也就没有“Dirty Doug has got to go 安省大学生游行”了。

 

[New Person]

这跟你最初说的福特砍了$2000拨款完全是两回事情了。这里是说福特让学生可以选择不加入学生会。选择不加入学生会可以省几十块钱吧，但是也会失去U-Pass, 学生医疗保险等等的购买资格，看吧，有多少学生选择不加入。如果没有了学生会，也就没有了为学生争取权益的组织了，当然也就没有“Dirty Doug has got to go 安省大学生游行”了。

学生会，省不了多少钱。

 

[gocanoeing]

福总把原来强制性收取的学生校园活动杂费改为志愿性质。这笔钱加上减免的10%的学费，总数一年$2000左右。现在最抓狂的是原来控制使用这笔经费的校园学生会。有些大学的这些团体做很多和校园根本不搭界的事情比如建立社会范围的食物银行，参与联邦，省，市各级政治活动，个人兴趣爱好体育等等。。。 如果谁要搞啥比如体育兴趣爱好或有政治倾向的活动，请志同道合的人自己出钱凑份子，别用所有学生的钱给自己贴金。

Voluntary Student Unionism

Finally, the Ford government announced the introduction of voluntary student unionism. The APUO vehemently opposes this announcement. Student unions play a crucial role in influencing post-secondary education policies in the province, and across the country. Under the previous government, the now reversed reforms to the OSAP program helped to improve access to post-secondary education for students from low-income families. The introduction of a more generous grants program, prioritizing the needs of students with financial need was the result of research and lobbying efforts by the student movement.

At the University of Ottawa, the Student Federation of the University of Ottawa and the Graduate Students’ Association provide essential services to the community, including a Food Bank (which was the second most visited Food Bank in Ottawa in 2014), the Student Rights Centre, the Centre for Students with Disabilities, the Pride Centre, and the Women’s Resource Centre. These two student unions have also consistently supported the APUO and other campus labour unions during collective bargaining.

The introduction of voluntary student unionism will mean that student unions across the province will have no guaranteed income. Many will cease to be able to deliver effectively services that are crucial to the community. Equally importantly, they will lose the resources that they have currently to advocate on behalf of the student body. Similar legislation introduced in the United States led to the collapse of the student movement. It is clear to the APUO that the Ford government is attempting to dismantle its opposition at the same time that it is unleashing a series of attacks on the post-secondary education sector.

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安省的学费也就是6000－7000左右，减10%顶多也就省700，难道杂费能省1300？

再说F下令大学减学费又不多拨款，那大学也得砍啊，助学金，补助的校内工作，助教。。。可能都是目标，很多学生可能得多付钱

 

[阿土仔]

安省的学费也就是6000－7000左右，减10%顶多也就省700，难道杂费能省1300？

再说F下令大学减学费又不多拨款，那大学也得砍啊，助学金，补助的校内工作，助教。。。可能都是目标，很多学生可能得多付钱

学校可是个肥差 ......

 

[zeus190]

学校可是个肥差 ......

得削行政开支。
图书馆里面整理书架的都快30刀一小时了。

 

[阿土仔]

得削行政开支。
图书馆里面整理书架的都快30刀一小时了。

那些人不得玩儿命？干别的不行，扯皮闹事他们很在行的！[emoji1]

 

[zeus190]

那些人不得玩儿命？干别的不行，扯皮闹事他们很在行的！[emoji1]

加拿大最牛的工会就是三级公务员的工会。简直就是纳税人的癌症。基本上就是两个人干一个人的活。

 

[New Person]

40% of full-time post-secondary students granted free tuition, CBC analysis shows

Loyalist, Centennial and George Brown among top 10 schools with most grants

Valérie Ouellet · CBC News · Posted: Feb 04, 2019 4:00 AM ET | Last Updated: 4 hours ago

Ontario students say changes made by Doug Ford's government will prevent many of them from continuing with higher education. (Valerie Ouellet/CBC)
As Ontario students prepare to take their fight for free tuition for low-income students back to Queens Park Monday, never-released government data obtained by CBC News shows the popularity of the now-cancelled program.

The new Ontario Student Assistance Program (OSAP) program created in March 2017 paid for average college or university tuition of students from families with incomes of $50,000 or less. Some students from families with incomes of up to $83,000 could also qualify for the non-repayable grants.

Although it was pitched as free, recipients still had to pay additional costs such as books and living expenses.

In some colleges, nearly three-quarters of full-time students had their tuition paid in the first year of the program, according to CBC's analysis of figures provided by the Ministry of Training, Colleges and Universities.

234,000 students got grants
Overall, the program issued non-repayable grants to more than 234,000 students across Ontario in the first year. That's 40 per cent of the full-time, domestic student enrolment of 593,296. The Ministry of Training, Colleges and Universities could not provide comparative figures for the school year 2018-19, as it is still ongoing.

Greater Toronto-area colleges such as Centennial, George Brown and Seneca were among the 10 schools with the biggest proportion of students benefiting from the program, while the University of Ottawa and Queen's University had the smallest percentages.

Colleges topping the list
Student financial aid expert Alex Usher says this new data suggests Ontario's free tuition program worked for students from low-income backgrounds, as they seemed more likely to be issued full grants.

Usher says the data also highlights how different the mix of students in colleges and universities can be, with older and lower income students more likely to be attracted to the more applied college programs.

Alex Usher says this new data shows the free tuition program worked well. (Martin Trainor/CBC)
Ontario's free tuition program estimated that average college tuition was $2,768 and average university tuition was $6,160, for comparable arts and science programs.

"Colleges have tuition fees that are generally half the amount of the university sector," says Glen Jones, professor of higher education at the Ontario Institute for Studies in Education of the University of Toronto.

• Wynne says she worried about pitching tuition as free, says there are caveats
• 'Nothing ever stays the same': Minister defends tuition, student fee, OSAP changes

School administrators not surprised
The president of Loyalist College in Belleville, which sits at the top of the list in terms of proportion of students receiving free tuition, with 73 per cent of students fully funded, said she was "not really surprised" by CBC's figures.

Ann Marie Vaughan says up to 80 per cent of the college's students receive some form of financial aid.

She says many students are the first in their families to attend a post-secondary institution, and they depend on financial aid as they are older students, sometimes with children, or their families are not as well off.

"We do have a fairly significant Indigenous population here as well," says Vaughan. "Many of our students require financial support, and that's also related to the general income levels of the region."

She says the school's financial aid department expects to see calls and inquiries rise this week, as many have just received their admissions letters from colleges.

George Brown College says there's a lot of uncertainty.

"We are concerned about the impact the recently announced changes to OSAP will have on our students," wrote the college's special adviser to the president, Adrienne Galway, in a statement.

Ann Marie Vaughan says many students attending Loyalist College are the first ones in their families to attend a post-secondary school and need financial help. (David Howells/Loyalist College)
The Ford government said it would replace the program with an across-the-board tuition fee cut of 10 per cent. Students with a family income below $50,000 will receive 83 per cent of grants, but no students will receive grants alone. Instead, they will get a mix of grants and loans.

A half dozen school administrators whose students top the list of free tuition recipients told CBC that it was too soon to measure the impact the changes might have on campus.

Several mentioned they have been invited by the Ontario government to attend meetings to walk them through the changes. The Ministry of Technology, Colleges and Universities confirmed private technical briefings were set up for institutions, but did not provide CBC with more details.

Students are worried
For Mohammad Hossain, the worrying has already started.

After years spent shuttling students around as an Uber driver, the 40-year-old immigrant from Bangladesh went back to school full-time at Centennial College last month to train as a software developer.

A dramatic career change he said would never be possible without the free tuition program.

"I couldn't afford that. Based on the fees and expenses, we could never ever think of it."

The father of two says he feels "worried, very sad and disappointed" to hear his dream of a new job — and a higher salary — might end with the Ford government's changes. He says loans are not an option for his family and he might drop out.

How am I going to pay $5,000? I don't have any family here. I can't ask friends for money.-Mohammed Hossain , Centennial College student
"I'm really disappointed and now I'm worrying. How am I going to pay $5,000 to Centennial? I don't have any family here. I can't ask friends for money."

He's far from the only student who depends on financial aid. In a statement to CBC, Centennial College said that nine out of 10 of its students depended on some form of financial aid, including loans.

Mohammad Hossain just went back to school full-time and says he might have to drop out now that the free tuition program is cancelled. (Dean Gariepy/CBC )
Even though details of the changes have yet to be announced, Usher says older, low-income students like Hossain will likely lose funding and have tough choices to make.

"People who have been out of education maybe for 20 years are much more price sensitive," says Usher. "The opportunity cost of going to school is more, and they've got less time to win back their investment. Those are serious considerations."

Numbers show free tuition was needed, says student leader
"These numbers just add more concern to the government's plan to change the system," says Nicole Desnoyers from the Ontario chapter of the Canadian Federation of Students.

Desnoyers says the program improved the quality of life of many students.

"We need to be looking at currently enrolled students. How many of them were able to quit a part-time job and focus solely on their studies because of this grant? How many of them didn't need to access mental health resources this year because they weren't worried about making ends meet?"

Nicole Desnoyers says the free tuition program improved the quality of life of thousands of students. (Darek Zdzienicki/CBC)
The current Conservative government said it ended the program because it was unsustainable, costing $1.4 billion in the first year.

Usher says the Liberal government failed to collect the right data to evaluate the success of its program.

"There's a lack of data," he said. "That's where the previous government 100 per cent fell down. They never put in place any kind of monitoring that would let them know who is the additional student who's coming."

And without comparable figures from previous school years, it's very difficult to know how many low income or vulnerable students received financial aid for the first time, he says.

According to the auditor general's December 2018 report, although 24 per cent more university students and 27 per cent more college students were issued financial aid in the 2017-18 academic year, the total number of students accessing higher education for the first time stayed virtually the same.

 

[阿土仔]

40% of full-time post-secondary students granted free tuition, CBC analysis shows

Loyalist, Centennial and George Brown among top 10 schools with most grants

Valérie Ouellet · CBC News · Posted: Feb 04, 2019 4:00 AM ET | Last Updated: 4 hours ago

Ontario students say changes made by Doug Ford's government will prevent many of them from continuing with higher education. (Valerie Ouellet/CBC)
As Ontario students prepare to take their fight for free tuition for low-income students back to Queens Park Monday, never-released government data obtained by CBC News shows the popularity of the now-cancelled program.

The new Ontario Student Assistance Program (OSAP) program created in March 2017 paid for average college or university tuition of students from families with incomes of $50,000 or less. Some students from families with incomes of up to $83,000 could also qualify for the non-repayable grants.

Although it was pitched as free, recipients still had to pay additional costs such as books and living expenses.

In some colleges, nearly three-quarters of full-time students had their tuition paid in the first year of the program, according to CBC's analysis of figures provided by the Ministry of Training, Colleges and Universities.

234,000 students got grants
Overall, the program issued non-repayable grants to more than 234,000 students across Ontario in the first year. That's 40 per cent of the full-time, domestic student enrolment of 593,296. The Ministry of Training, Colleges and Universities could not provide comparative figures for the school year 2018-19, as it is still ongoing.

Greater Toronto-area colleges such as Centennial, George Brown and Seneca were among the 10 schools with the biggest proportion of students benefiting from the program, while the University of Ottawa and Queen's University had the smallest percentages.

Colleges topping the list
Student financial aid expert Alex Usher says this new data suggests Ontario's free tuition program worked for students from low-income backgrounds, as they seemed more likely to be issued full grants.

Usher says the data also highlights how different the mix of students in colleges and universities can be, with older and lower income students more likely to be attracted to the more applied college programs.

Alex Usher says this new data shows the free tuition program worked well. (Martin Trainor/CBC)
Ontario's free tuition program estimated that average college tuition was $2,768 and average university tuition was $6,160, for comparable arts and science programs.

"Colleges have tuition fees that are generally half the amount of the university sector," says Glen Jones, professor of higher education at the Ontario Institute for Studies in Education of the University of Toronto.

• Wynne says she worried about pitching tuition as free, says there are caveats
• 'Nothing ever stays the same': Minister defends tuition, student fee, OSAP changes

School administrators not surprised
The president of Loyalist College in Belleville, which sits at the top of the list in terms of proportion of students receiving free tuition, with 73 per cent of students fully funded, said she was "not really surprised" by CBC's figures.

Ann Marie Vaughan says up to 80 per cent of the college's students receive some form of financial aid.

She says many students are the first in their families to attend a post-secondary institution, and they depend on financial aid as they are older students, sometimes with children, or their families are not as well off.

"We do have a fairly significant Indigenous population here as well," says Vaughan. "Many of our students require financial support, and that's also related to the general income levels of the region."

She says the school's financial aid department expects to see calls and inquiries rise this week, as many have just received their admissions letters from colleges.

George Brown College says there's a lot of uncertainty.

"We are concerned about the impact the recently announced changes to OSAP will have on our students," wrote the college's special adviser to the president, Adrienne Galway, in a statement.

Ann Marie Vaughan says many students attending Loyalist College are the first ones in their families to attend a post-secondary school and need financial help. (David Howells/Loyalist College)
The Ford government said it would replace the program with an across-the-board tuition fee cut of 10 per cent. Students with a family income below $50,000 will receive 83 per cent of grants, but no students will receive grants alone. Instead, they will get a mix of grants and loans.

A half dozen school administrators whose students top the list of free tuition recipients told CBC that it was too soon to measure the impact the changes might have on campus.

Several mentioned they have been invited by the Ontario government to attend meetings to walk them through the changes. The Ministry of Technology, Colleges and Universities confirmed private technical briefings were set up for institutions, but did not provide CBC with more details.

Students are worried
For Mohammad Hossain, the worrying has already started.

After years spent shuttling students around as an Uber driver, the 40-year-old immigrant from Bangladesh went back to school full-time at Centennial College last month to train as a software developer.

A dramatic career change he said would never be possible without the free tuition program.

"I couldn't afford that. Based on the fees and expenses, we could never ever think of it."

The father of two says he feels "worried, very sad and disappointed" to hear his dream of a new job — and a higher salary — might end with the Ford government's changes. He says loans are not an option for his family and he might drop out.

How am I going to pay $5,000? I don't have any family here. I can't ask friends for money.-Mohammed Hossain , Centennial College student
"I'm really disappointed and now I'm worrying. How am I going to pay $5,000 to Centennial? I don't have any family here. I can't ask friends for money."

He's far from the only student who depends on financial aid. In a statement to CBC, Centennial College said that nine out of 10 of its students depended on some form of financial aid, including loans.

Mohammad Hossain just went back to school full-time and says he might have to drop out now that the free tuition program is cancelled. (Dean Gariepy/CBC )
Even though details of the changes have yet to be announced, Usher says older, low-income students like Hossain will likely lose funding and have tough choices to make.

"People who have been out of education maybe for 20 years are much more price sensitive," says Usher. "The opportunity cost of going to school is more, and they've got less time to win back their investment. Those are serious considerations."

Numbers show free tuition was needed, says student leader
"These numbers just add more concern to the government's plan to change the system," says Nicole Desnoyers from the Ontario chapter of the Canadian Federation of Students.

Desnoyers says the program improved the quality of life of many students.

"We need to be looking at currently enrolled students. How many of them were able to quit a part-time job and focus solely on their studies because of this grant? How many of them didn't need to access mental health resources this year because they weren't worried about making ends meet?"

Nicole Desnoyers says the free tuition program improved the quality of life of thousands of students. (Darek Zdzienicki/CBC)
The current Conservative government said it ended the program because it was unsustainable, costing $1.4 billion in the first year.

Usher says the Liberal government failed to collect the right data to evaluate the success of its program.

"There's a lack of data," he said. "That's where the previous government 100 per cent fell down. They never put in place any kind of monitoring that would let them know who is the additional student who's coming."

And without comparable figures from previous school years, it's very difficult to know how many low income or vulnerable students received financial aid for the first time, he says.

According to the auditor general's December 2018 report, although 24 per cent more university students and 27 per cent more college students were issued financial aid in the 2017-18 academic year, the total number of students accessing higher education for the first time stayed virtually the same.

太长了，没看完。但他们为什么不能贷款呢？

 

[ert0000]

40% of full-time post-secondary students granted free tuition, CBC analysis shows

Loyalist, Centennial and George Brown among top 10 schools with most grants

Valérie Ouellet · CBC News · Posted: Feb 04, 2019 4:00 AM ET | Last Updated: 4 hours ago

Ontario students say changes made by Doug Ford's government will prevent many of them from continuing with higher education. (Valerie Ouellet/CBC)
As Ontario students prepare to take their fight for free tuition for low-income students back to Queens Park Monday, never-released government data obtained by CBC News shows the popularity of the now-cancelled program.

The new Ontario Student Assistance Program (OSAP) program created in March 2017 paid for average college or university tuition of students from families with incomes of $50,000 or less. Some students from families with incomes of up to $83,000 could also qualify for the non-repayable grants.

Although it was pitched as free, recipients still had to pay additional costs such as books and living expenses.

In some colleges, nearly three-quarters of full-time students had their tuition paid in the first year of the program, according to CBC's analysis of figures provided by the Ministry of Training, Colleges and Universities.

234,000 students got grants
Overall, the program issued non-repayable grants to more than 234,000 students across Ontario in the first year. That's 40 per cent of the full-time, domestic student enrolment of 593,296. The Ministry of Training, Colleges and Universities could not provide comparative figures for the school year 2018-19, as it is still ongoing.

Greater Toronto-area colleges such as Centennial, George Brown and Seneca were among the 10 schools with the biggest proportion of students benefiting from the program, while the University of Ottawa and Queen's University had the smallest percentages.

Colleges topping the list
Student financial aid expert Alex Usher says this new data suggests Ontario's free tuition program worked for students from low-income backgrounds, as they seemed more likely to be issued full grants.

Usher says the data also highlights how different the mix of students in colleges and universities can be, with older and lower income students more likely to be attracted to the more applied college programs.

Alex Usher says this new data shows the free tuition program worked well. (Martin Trainor/CBC)
Ontario's free tuition program estimated that average college tuition was $2,768 and average university tuition was $6,160, for comparable arts and science programs.

"Colleges have tuition fees that are generally half the amount of the university sector," says Glen Jones, professor of higher education at the Ontario Institute for Studies in Education of the University of Toronto.

• Wynne says she worried about pitching tuition as free, says there are caveats
• 'Nothing ever stays the same': Minister defends tuition, student fee, OSAP changes

School administrators not surprised
The president of Loyalist College in Belleville, which sits at the top of the list in terms of proportion of students receiving free tuition, with 73 per cent of students fully funded, said she was "not really surprised" by CBC's figures.

Ann Marie Vaughan says up to 80 per cent of the college's students receive some form of financial aid.

She says many students are the first in their families to attend a post-secondary institution, and they depend on financial aid as they are older students, sometimes with children, or their families are not as well off.

"We do have a fairly significant Indigenous population here as well," says Vaughan. "Many of our students require financial support, and that's also related to the general income levels of the region."

She says the school's financial aid department expects to see calls and inquiries rise this week, as many have just received their admissions letters from colleges.

George Brown College says there's a lot of uncertainty.

"We are concerned about the impact the recently announced changes to OSAP will have on our students," wrote the college's special adviser to the president, Adrienne Galway, in a statement.

Ann Marie Vaughan says many students attending Loyalist College are the first ones in their families to attend a post-secondary school and need financial help. (David Howells/Loyalist College)
The Ford government said it would replace the program with an across-the-board tuition fee cut of 10 per cent. Students with a family income below $50,000 will receive 83 per cent of grants, but no students will receive grants alone. Instead, they will get a mix of grants and loans.

A half dozen school administrators whose students top the list of free tuition recipients told CBC that it was too soon to measure the impact the changes might have on campus.

Several mentioned they have been invited by the Ontario government to attend meetings to walk them through the changes. The Ministry of Technology, Colleges and Universities confirmed private technical briefings were set up for institutions, but did not provide CBC with more details.

Students are worried
For Mohammad Hossain, the worrying has already started.

After years spent shuttling students around as an Uber driver, the 40-year-old immigrant from Bangladesh went back to school full-time at Centennial College last month to train as a software developer.

A dramatic career change he said would never be possible without the free tuition program.

"I couldn't afford that. Based on the fees and expenses, we could never ever think of it."

The father of two says he feels "worried, very sad and disappointed" to hear his dream of a new job — and a higher salary — might end with the Ford government's changes. He says loans are not an option for his family and he might drop out.

How am I going to pay $5,000? I don't have any family here. I can't ask friends for money.-Mohammed Hossain , Centennial College student
"I'm really disappointed and now I'm worrying. How am I going to pay $5,000 to Centennial? I don't have any family here. I can't ask friends for money."

He's far from the only student who depends on financial aid. In a statement to CBC, Centennial College said that nine out of 10 of its students depended on some form of financial aid, including loans.

Mohammad Hossain just went back to school full-time and says he might have to drop out now that the free tuition program is cancelled. (Dean Gariepy/CBC )
Even though details of the changes have yet to be announced, Usher says older, low-income students like Hossain will likely lose funding and have tough choices to make.

"People who have been out of education maybe for 20 years are much more price sensitive," says Usher. "The opportunity cost of going to school is more, and they've got less time to win back their investment. Those are serious considerations."

Numbers show free tuition was needed, says student leader
"These numbers just add more concern to the government's plan to change the system," says Nicole Desnoyers from the Ontario chapter of the Canadian Federation of Students.

Desnoyers says the program improved the quality of life of many students.

"We need to be looking at currently enrolled students. How many of them were able to quit a part-time job and focus solely on their studies because of this grant? How many of them didn't need to access mental health resources this year because they weren't worried about making ends meet?"

Nicole Desnoyers says the free tuition program improved the quality of life of thousands of students. (Darek Zdzienicki/CBC)
The current Conservative government said it ended the program because it was unsustainable, costing $1.4 billion in the first year.

Usher says the Liberal government failed to collect the right data to evaluate the success of its program.

"There's a lack of data," he said. "That's where the previous government 100 per cent fell down. They never put in place any kind of monitoring that would let them know who is the additional student who's coming."

And without comparable figures from previous school years, it's very difficult to know how many low income or vulnerable students received financial aid for the first time, he says.

According to the auditor general's December 2018 report, although 24 per cent more university students and 27 per cent more college students were issued financial aid in the 2017-18 academic year, the total number of students accessing higher education for the first time stayed virtually the same.

关键的几点
1） 前自由党政府下， 40%的大专学生被免去100%学费，自由党政府并没有准确定量分析，40%的学生得了大好处，省财政陷入深渊。
2） 新保守党政府下，80%的GRANT(不用还的）给了家庭总收入低于5万的家庭，但给的GRANT并不能全部COVER所有学费，即使是5万以下的家庭也要自己出一部分或学生自己贷款
3） 10%减少学费适用所有家庭

总体上说，省保守党政府这招大幅减少政府支出，并对真正贫穷的家庭有兜底的辅助。总体上合理。因为对于20万以上家庭，他们在报税的时候已经给社会做了更多的贡献，原来的自由党政府的政策就是对另外60%的家庭的一一个剪羊毛和变相征税。没有道理。

华裔家庭一般家庭财政政策比较节俭，在总体社会FREE MONEY减少的情况下，在同等家庭收入的前提下，华裔或东亚裔家庭的适应能力平均应该高过其他人群。换句话说，假设同等家庭收入5万或X万的情况下，别族可能供不起，而华裔通过勤俭持家，节约和家庭重教育的传统，华裔的家庭就能够供得起。所以总体上说华裔或东亚裔家庭是大赢家。

• John Phillips

Culture of entitlement.
These are not public schools, they are private institutions. I should not have to pay for optional education choices outside the public system.
I went to university and paid my own way from summer and part time jobs. No parental or government handouts. And because I had to work to pay for it, I valued it, and never goofed off.
My words to the protesting students is, grow up and take responsibility.

• Anne Bérubé

For some families who say they canot help their children with tuition fees, instead of 4 TVs in the house, get one, watch it together, ditch all those cellphones, cook at home instead or ordering in every weekend, tell little Joe and Mary to find a part-time job, and stop, please stop relying on government for free money. I am sick and tired of hearing complaining about money. On a different issue but still relating about government money, the RCMP just revealed that taxpayers forked $6.6 Millions to process the migrants across the borders (likely more $$ but this is what the libs want us to believe). Sure there is money, but IT IS NOT COMING FOR YOU.

 

[gocanoeing]

关键的几点
1） 前自由党政府下， 40%的大专学生被免去100%学费，自由党政府并没有准确定量分析，40%的学生得了大好处，省财政陷入深渊。
2） 新保守党政府下，80%的GRANT(不用还的）给了家庭总收入低于5万的家庭，但给的GRANT并不能全部COVER所有学费，即使是5万以下的家庭也要自己出一部分或学生自己贷款
3） 10%减少学费适用所有家庭

总体上说，省保守党政府这招大幅减少政府支出，并对真正贫穷的家庭有兜底的辅助。总体上合理。因为对于20万以上家庭，他们在报税的时候已经给社会做了更多的贡献，原来的自由党政府的政策就是对另外60%的家庭的一一个剪羊毛和变相征税。没有道理。

华裔家庭一般家庭财政政策比较节俭，在总体社会FREE MONEY减少的情况下，在同等家庭收入的前提下，华裔或东亚裔家庭的适应能力平均应该高过其他人群。换句话说，假设同等家庭收入5万或X万的情况下，别族可能供不起，而华裔通过勤俭持家，节约和家庭重教育的传统，华裔的家庭就能够供得起。所以总体上说华裔或东亚裔家庭是大赢家。

• John Phillips

Culture of entitlement.
These are not public schools, they are private institutions. I should not have to pay for optional education choices outside the public system.
I went to university and paid my own way from summer and part time jobs. No parental or government handouts. And because I had to work to pay for it, I valued it, and never goofed off.
My words to the protesting students is, grow up and take responsibility.

• Anne Bérubé

For some families who say they canot help their children with tuition fees, instead of 4 TVs in the house, get one, watch it together, ditch all those cellphones, cook at home instead or ordering in every weekend, tell little Joe and Mary to find a part-time job, and stop, please stop relying on government for free money. I am sick and tired of hearing complaining about money. On a different issue but still relating about government money, the RCMP just revealed that taxpayers forked $6.6 Millions to process the migrants across the borders (likely more $$ but this is what the libs want us to believe). Sure there is money, but IT IS NOT COMING FOR YOU.

从你说F的政策能让大学生人均年省2000，我觉得你的评估能信一半就不错了

 

[阿土仔]

从你说F的政策能让大学生人均年省2000，我觉得你的评估能信一半就不错了

安省自由党的策略是很明显的借债买选票，只是这把玩儿砸了！

其实安省就好比一口大锅，只有细心维护、量入为出，大家从锅里捞吃的才能长久，如果连锅都砸了，大家就只能喝西北风了。

 

[ert0000]

从你说F的政策能让大学生人均年省2000，我觉得你的评估能信一半就不错了

每年平均每人（省+少交+得到）$2000有三个版本
1）福总版本
2） 教育部长版本
3） 我掐算出的版本

都大同小异。看问题要看实质。实质是大众摊派的钱少了，税少交了，FREE MONEY从原来的40%到现在NO FREE MONEY(80% GRANT GOES TO FAMILY INCOME LESS THAN $50k)。 社会，家庭，学生要量入为出，自己要对自己的经济教育费用负责，别整天琢磨怎么用别人凑的钱或交税的钱。