大学招生开始发榜了

[ert0000]

看来医科大热，掐指界要进军医科前途的掐指领域。先自学行业常规开始。

转贴下面一段关于现在加拿大医学院开始承认移民前学历，导致本土学生难以拿到住院医等实习机会。有这么回事么？

"医生与牙医要过进学院这道坎。成为医生或牙医最难的不是课程学习与通过考试，而是进学院门。现在由于自由党为选票的交易，海外医学院毕业的要占不小比例，一些并不优秀的人绕道中国三本医学院，牙买加，印度等的医学院去学习，使得拿住院医生这条路变数更多了。***的不幸自杀就暴露了这个问题。以前一些理工科资质好的孩子们还走学医之路，现在我知道的都放弃了。这也是近几年我前面所提的那些专业分数涨的因素之一。学医需要两步，最好年华付出四年后第二步进不去太可惜。"

 

[小地主]

不要说住院医了，记得前几年Mcgill牙医学院，有几个牙医４年纪学生,在自己的facebook群开女性玩笑，被公开了，引起极大愤慨，很多人要求公布学生名字并开除，学校就是没答应。

不是mcgill，是dalhousie。。那是他们没换到他们学校另外人的手里在医生的鄙视链里，牙科他们说都不能算Dr

 

[hesaid]

看来医科大热，掐指界要进军医科前途的掐指领域。先自学行业常规开始。

转贴下面一段关于现在加拿大医学院开始承认移民前学历，导致本土学生难以拿到住院医等实习机会。有这么回事么？

"医生与牙医要过进学院这道坎。成为医生或牙医最难的不是课程学习与通过考试，而是进学院门。现在由于自由党为选票的交易，海外医学院毕业的要占不小比例，一些并不优秀的人绕道中国三本医学院，牙买加，印度等的医学院去学习，使得拿住院医生这条路变数更多了。Chu的不幸自杀就暴露了这个问题。以前一些理工科资质好的孩子们还走学医之路，现在我知道的都放弃了。这也是近几年我前面所提的那些专业分数涨的因素之一。学医需要两步，最好年华付出四年后第二步进不去太可惜。"

医生不太了解，但牙医没有住院医的过程. 参见楼上贴"在医生的鄙视链里，牙科他们说都不能算Dr "

 

[hesaid]

Tragic case of Robert Chu shows plight of Canadian medical school grads
By ALLAN WOODSQuebec Bureau
Sat., June 17, 2017

• No easy cure for left-out medical-school grads
  
  Copies of the letter were sent to several other politicians, including Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, Ontario Premier Kathleen Wynne, five Ontario universities and 10 news organizations, including a reporter for the Star.
  
  Chu and a growing number of others denied access to residency have found themselves caught in a regulated system where provincial governments, based on an assessment of the needs of the population, dictate both the available student spaces in Canada’s 17 medical schools as well as the number of residency spots for medical school graduates.
  
  Ontario, for example, cut 25 residency posts for the 2016/17 training year. But in a written response to questions, the provincial Health Ministry said the number of doctors in Ontario is projected to grow faster than the population, resulting in a average net increase of 650 physicians each year until 2025 even with reductions to number of residency spots.
  
  
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  In 2015, the first year he was rejected, Chu was among just 39 students out of almost 3,000 applicants who went unmatched. The next year, he was rejected again, and that number grew to 46.
  
  This year, the number of unmatched students hit a record high of 68. Thirty-five of them were from Ontario, according to the Canadian Resident Matching Service, which runs the application process and the algorithm used to assign graduates to programs.
  
  The head of the Association of Faculties of Medicine of Canada, Dr. Geneviève Moineau, said the unmatched students are “victims of a system that no longer meets their needs.”
  
  “These smart, high-achieving individuals perceive that they are incompetent and not worthy compared to their peers. Several have gone on to develop significant health issues,” she wrote on the association’s website earlier this month.
  
  She also referred to Chu’s case and the tragic outcome, which has rocked Canada’s medical education establishment.
  
  “One of our young colleagues lost his life,” Moineau wrote, “largely because of what he had suffered from his ordeal with the match.”
  
  Chu, who was born in Toronto and grew up in Burlington and, later, Amherst, N.Y., completed an undergraduate degree at the University of Toronto in three years instead of four. He was accepted to McMaster University medical school in 2012.
  
  “That was what he wanted to do. He had invested so much time and effort into that. Even in high school he had set up a flow chart of goals that he wanted to meet. He had really high standards that he set for himself and goals that he wanted to achieve,” said his mother, Clara Chu.
  
  When he began the intensive, yearlong residency application process in his final year at McMaster, he imagined himself becoming a radiologist. He tailored his training toward that discipline and even had several articles published in medical journals.
  
  But he was among the 1.4 per cent of students in 2015 for whom the application and interview process — meant to match applicants’ preferred programs to the preferred candidates of universities — did not work out.
  
  “There was nothing wrong academically; he connected with the patients. He just couldn’t understand what was wrong,” Clara Chu said. “The only thing they ever came up with is that he was too broad in his elective (courses), that he should have been more focused.”
  
  Disappointed but determined, he began an MBA program and tried to keep up his clinical experience in hospitals. For his second try, he targeted residency programs in psychiatry and family medicine, believing them to be less competitive than radiology and with more available places.
  
  “When he applied the second year … they said, ‘Well, wait a minute, you applied to radiology last year and wrote these (journal) articles and we’re kind of thinking that you’re not so committed to psychiatry,’” his mother said.
  
  
  
  
  Medical school graduate Robert Chu who took his own life last fall after being passed over twice for medical residency programs.
  Chu went unmatched again, but this time he began fighting against a ruthless system that, he wrote in his letter, provides no feedback, no advice and demands no accountability from decision makers.
  
  He was also angered about the number of spots reserved in Canadian residency programs for international medical school graduates, who he said are often those who could not gain admission to Canadian schools and chose instead to study in the Caribbean, Ireland and Australia.
  
  “I am frustrated by the injustice of this system — for myself, my peers and my potential patients. The enrolment of medical students has been steadily increasing over the last 10 years, by about 100 each year. The number of residency positions has not kept pace, and now it is decreasing,” he wrote.
  
  “This makes no sense. What good is a doctor who cannot practise as one?”
  
  Chu used provincial freedom of information laws to try to get details, feedback and insight about how his application had been handled and what might have gone wrong. He met with a lawyer to see if he had grounds for a case.
  
  But never did Chu’s family worry about his mental health or see signs of depression or despair.
  
  “That was Robert. He was very tenacious. He would always fight for what he believed in, on anything,” Clara Chu said, recalling how he had once challenged a high school principal who tried to prevent him from writing an article as editor of the school paper.
  
  Chu wrote in his letter that he was sick of the applications and the interviews, sick of trying to sell himself to the guardians of the residency programs.
  
  “I am finishing my MBA this year and, barring the presumably slight chance that I actually get into residency, I will pursue an alternative career in business,” he wrote.
  
  But his second attempt to gain acceptance to the medical training program would ultimately be his last.
  
  There was no withdrawal, no cry for help, Clara Chu said. The family took a trip. They returned home. It was September and the application process for a residency program was opening for a third time.
  
  That is when Chu took his life on Sept. 5, 2016.
  
  “I think it was that he was getting ready to write the letters to the universities again,” his mother said.
  
  Correction - June 22, 2017: This article was edited from a previous version that mistakenly said Ontario cut 50 residency positions in 2014. In fact the reduction in the number of residency spots in Ontario since 2015/16 has been 25. As well, according to the province, number of doctors in Ontario is projected to grow faster than the population, resulting in a average net increase of 650 physicians each year until 2025 even with reductions to number of residency spots.

这个个案，不论对学生本人，对家庭还是对社会都是个悲剧。
因素很多。愿逝者安息，还是不要讨论了。

 

[bonjour]

我怎么听说去了SHAD,对申请大学也没什么闪光点.而且约来越贵了,$5700.

的确很贵。不差钱还是值得去的。我宁愿小孩暑假去打工，一边赚钱一边体验生活。

 

[dx2004]

报喜！朋友小孩被 Central Party School 录取。

恭喜！ 比那些藤校，理工医专业更有前途！

 

[金陵]

保护的是挺厉害。。做病理的误诊了把人家判个乳腺癌切了被告上法庭的都有，最后也被保护了。。医生的行业保险估计都陪这类事了。。所以跟医生说话要他们答个yes/no忒费劲

住院医有没有医生执照受不受行业保护就不知道了，对内部这也算是清理门户吧。。我就是饭桌上听故事。。九哥不在传谣的任务归我管

住院医生必须有医生执照，只不过得有attending的supervision，特别是第一和第二年的Junior住院医生，出了事情由attending负责。
至于住院医生会不会因此受到处理，说不定可以打听一下。

 

[ate-star]

起什么哄啊最近下了大力气研究了加拿大顶尖四大学商科院，各有千秋，从职业方向、学校氛围、就业率等指标看，我们最中意Ivey，其他的只敢说自己是one of the best.ivey的强就业方向是像麦肯锡、波士顿咨询公司这样的咨询顾问，投行啥的，最牛的是他的强大的校友文化。女皇大学的商科适合独立创业和家里已有产业的孩子，多大的罗特曼本科学的太杂，硕士的mba 强。二流下的约克大学里的舒立克商学院可以堪称第三，但由于总校的名声太差，没有多大的母校光环，北美外就业就不吃香了（没人知道）。

不进商科院，也能就业好的投行。看个人了，没有那么绝对的事。

 

[lili25777]

不进商科院，也能就业好的投行。看个人了，没有那么绝对的事。

热老师有个帖子的理论是对的，没有等号关系，但有概率关系。

 

[lili25777]

的确很贵。不差钱还是值得去的。我宁愿小孩暑假去打工，一边赚钱一边体验生活。

条条道路通罗马，找到适合自己的方式方法，在被选择的时候有独特的一面就成。

 

[lili25777]

对于你说的要又红又专啥的，我没意见。 但IB选学生却很难对这进行衡量。这方面能有参考的就是
- 申请ESSAY （知道这里面有多少TRICK么？ 我如果有娃申请，我是不会找人代笔，结构润色，加工的，顶多就一些明显文法错误纠正一下而已）
- 学校老师推荐信。（这很多都是很粗略的）

我之前对CCAT评论主要集中在数学方面，没有拉开申请学生的差距。
- 使得很多数学极好，但英文稍弱的被不合理的剔除
- 使得很多数学BELOW AVERAGE的，但英文写作很好的混进。

这年月，酒香也怕巷子深啊，光能干不成，还得能正确展示自己现在的娃都是哪吒转世，没有最牛只有更牛啊

 

[bonjour]

条条道路通罗马，找到适合自己的方式方法，在被选择的时候有独特的一面就成。

找到自己感兴趣的事做最重要。我也有听说有的小孩觉得这个PROGRAM不值得，相对于费用来说。期待你的总结。

 

[ert0000]

找到自己感兴趣的事做最重要。我也有听说有的小孩觉得这个PROGRAM不值得，相对于费用来说。期待你的总结。

这个PROGRAM还是有用的，有个LEADERSHIP的训练。 对于申请藤校有大用。对于加拿大大学来说。对于理工类有点加分因素，我估算在都是90+的情况下，有2到3分的加分因素。但如果两个候选人有5分差距90（有这个PROGRAM)， 95（没有), 二选一的话，95上。

 

[bonjour]

给大家传递一个信息：
If you are a current FIRST Robotics competitor, you are eligible to apply for the SHAD-FIRST Scholarship. This is a full scholarship to attend SHAD (valued at $5,700).

 

[lili25777]

找到自己感兴趣的事做最重要。我也有听说有的小孩觉得这个PROGRAM不值得，相对于费用来说。期待你的总结。

前些日子接到录取信后在网上到处看评论和学过的孩子们的反馈，好像记得有对低收入孩子的学费减免。其实这5700根本cover 不住所有费用，剩下的是赞助的企业给补的。我们已经寄出了支票，刚收到回信，说今年录取了over 1000名，(以前是13所大学600个位置)，他们要挨个核对信息后通知我们。如果您得孩子得了省以上的数学竞赛奖，或者机器人、编程什么的奖项，也是非常有亮点的。是否去这个夏令营有多大好处就不知道了。