卡尔顿和渥太华大学在最新的Maclean排名中几乎掉到了最后

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这是今天的Ottawa Citizen上的评论文章:

Carleton, U of O slide in Maclean's rankings

Jennifer Morrison and Sarah Schmidt
The Ottawa Citizen


Monday, November 10, 2003


It's the day prospective students, parents and university administrators across the country have been waiting for. Maclean's magazine has released its much-anticipated annual university rankings survey -- and the news isn't good for either of Ottawa's universities.

The University of Ottawa and Carleton University have lost significant ground in their respective categories from last year, finding themselves lumped near the bottom of the class.

Carleton, the school that has dubbed itself 'Canada's capital university' is ranked 10th of 11 schools in the comprehensive category, down one place from last year. The only school with a worse ranking is the University of Windsor, which maintained its last-place ranking for a second consecutive year.

Across town, the University of Ottawa fared even worse, dropping three places from last year, ranked 12th of 15 schools in the highly competitive medical-doctoral category in which the University of Toronto finished first once again.

"The drop is considerable. Always to go more than one (spot) is huge," explained Maclean's editor-at-large Ann Dowsett Johnston. "It's kind of holding its own, but others are pulling ahead." The U of O hasn't received a lower ranking since 1999 when it was also positioned 12th, she said, adding that it generally hovers between ninth and 11th place.

This year's ranking comes as a big blow to the school, which for the past six months has been trying to boost its public image and brand itself "Canada's university" in an effort to attract the best students and more donors. As part of the campaign, administrators are hoping to attract more out-of-province students who want to study in French and English, and take advantage of the school's proximity to federal agencies.

"We're not pleased with this," said David Mitchell, vice-president of university relations at the U of O. "We're disappointed that we slipped this year and we're looking forward to going through the data in some detail."

The detailed data released today will allow Mr. Mitchell to understand and dissect where the school has dropped and areas where it has improved. The ranking is based on 24 performance measures, including average entering grade, library resources, class size, reputation, and percentage of first-year students who will return the following year.

"We actually feel we're making great process in the last little while in a number of areas. We think our reputation is starting to move up, but it takes some time for that to filter through," he said.

Ms. Dowsett Johnson confirmed the U of O has lost points in a couple of categories which contribute to the overall ranking, and these coupled together allowed other schools to pull ahead.

"Really in many ways you've got to blame what happened on Laval and Saskatchewan doing better, and McMaster falling, but not as much as they (Ottawa) did," she said, explaining the ranking.

On a positive note, Ms. Dowsett Johnston applauded the U of O's rebranding efforts and says "they're on the right track."

Whereas the U of O is ranked in the medical-doctoral category and competes against leading schools such as the University of Toronto, Queen's University and the University of Western Ontario, which all have medical schools and a broad range of PhD programs, Carleton is ranked in the comprehensive category. This list includes schools with a range of undergraduate and graduate-level programs, professional degrees and significant research activity. Guelph finished first for a second straight year, followed by the University of Waterloo and the University of Victoria.

Ms. Dowsett Johnston did say Carleton improved in some areas, specifically in the leaders of tomorrow reputation survey, where the school jumped five spots from last year, and is now ranked 25th of 47 schools.

But on a whole, other schools did better, while Carleton stayed the same, she said.

Maclean's uses a percentile methodology to rank the institutions in its three categories, now based on 24 measurement indicators about students, class sizes, faculty, finances, libraries, and reputation. Each indicator carries with it a certain weight, with average entering grades and the university's reputation survey carrying the most.

There is an ongoing conversation with the universities about the numbers behind the rankings, usually in private and often fruitful, ever since Ms. Dowsett Johnston took over the ambitious project in 1992.

This year, Maclean's has added an indicator (student retention rates), and shifted weight away from alumni support (the number of donations by its graduates). Ms. Dowsett Johnston says she's been convinced that a strong showing in alumni support is no longer the best way to measure student satisfaction.

"It will make some people very happy, and some people unhappy," she concedes.

After 17 months of negotiations with the Quebec universities, Maclean's has also devised a new conversion system for Quebec's distinct grading system (known as the R-score) in the province's pre-university colleges. Laval University and Concordia University both receive a bump in this year's ranking as a result of the change, largely because Maclean's puts so much weight on average entering grades.

Not surprisingly, this is the real battleground: what to measure, how Maclean's defines each category, and how each university interprets each definition and calculates the results.

Sound straightforward? Hardly.

"Every indicator has a whole history behind it," says Chuck Adler, director of the planning office at McGill University. "I know as a reader, you look at these things and you think it's all black and white, but it's not black and white. It seems to be straightforward, but the final results can be quite misleading."

The Maclean's magazine rankings come almost one month after the release of the Globe and Mail's university report card, which was based on an online survey of more than 20,000 students from 58 universities.

Just like the Maclean's rankings, the Globe report didn't paint a very pretty picture of campus life at either Ottawa school. In quality of education, Carleton was ranked 24th, and the U of O was 30th. And when it came to reputation, the U of O finished 29th, followed by Carleton in 33rd.

- - -

Medical-doctoral universities

Rank Last year

1 Toronto 1

2 McGill 3

3 Queen's 2

4 Western 3

5 UBC 5

6 Alberta 7

7 Montreal 6

8 Sherbrooke 8

9 Saskatchewan 12

10 Laval 13

11 McMaster 10

12 Ottawa 9

13 Dalhousie 11

14 Calgary 14

15 Manitoba 15

- - -

Comprehensive universities ranking

Rank Last year

1 Guelph 1

2 Waterloo 2

3 Victoria 4

4 Simon Fraser 3

5 Memorial 5

6 Regina 6

7 Concordia 10

8 New Brunswick 8

8 York 6

10 Carleton 9

11 Windsor 11
 
Carleton的教授可能最近没有出什么科研成果
 
unbelievable, given the fact that the entrace ratio of some department's master program is
about 1:50. Must be something wrong with this ranking. If you receruiting good students, why
your ranking is lower?
 
中国的牛校也有好生源

最初由 gdntfrank 发布
unbelievable, given the fact that the entrace ratio of some department's master program is about 1:50. Must be something wrong with this ranking. If you receruiting good students, why your ranking is lower?
但是教授很烂,所以在世界上的排名就不高。一个理
 
OU是忙着赚钱了,今年扩招了那么多,明年的排名更玄
OU要成立一个公关部门了
 
最初由 gdntfrank 发布
unbelievable, given the fact that the entrace ratio of some department's master program is
about 1:50. Must be something wrong with this ranking. If you receruiting good students, why
your ranking is lower?

Maclean的大学排名是比较权威的,而且一般来说是可信的。据我所知,大学排名的
主要依据是教授们在一流科学期刊上的论文数,被引用数,科研成果的获奖级别和
数量等。而学生的入学数量并非是主要衡量依据。举个例子,被Maclean排名在前五
名的大学通常都有一至数名教授在重大的专业领域中获奖或被提名。例如,多大的
诺贝尔奖获得者通常保持在五名以上,而获提名者就更多了。相比之下,卡尔顿和
渥太华大学的教授们有吗?我好像没听说。
 
最初由 土鳖虫 发布


Maclean的大学排名是比较权威的,而且一般来说是可信的。据我所知,大学排名的
主要依据是教授们在一流科学期刊上的论文数,被引用数,科研成果的获奖级别和
数量等。而学生的入学数量并非是主要衡量依据。举个例子,被Maclean排名在前五
名的大学通常都有一至数名教授在重大的专业领域中获奖或被提名。例如,多大的
诺贝尔奖获得者通常保持在五名以上,而获提名者就更多了。相比之下,卡尔顿和
渥太华大学的教授们有吗?我好像没听说。

咱们这渥京不是有个OU华人学生的PAPER上科学杂志封面了吗?
 
CU&OU就是三流大学,认了吧!!!
 
加拿大一共有多少大学来着?
 
最初由 土鳖虫 发布


Maclean的大学排名是比较权威的,而且一般来说是可信的。据我所知,大学排名的
主要依据是教授们在一流科学期刊上的论文数,被引用数,科研成果的获奖级别和
数量等。而学生的入学数量并非是主要衡量依据。举个例子,被Maclean排名在前五
名的大学通常都有一至数名教授在重大的专业领域中获奖或被提名。例如,多大的
诺贝尔奖获得者通常保持在五名以上,而获提名者就更多了。相比之下,卡尔顿和
渥太华大学的教授们有吗?我好像没听说。

Accrording to my survey in EE, UT has 3 times of number of papers published as Carleton.
But all other canadian university are in the same level. At least, Carleton performs better
than Waterloo and Macmaster in EE. But anyway, the overall ranking is meaningless for
graduate level.
 
BTW, is Macmster that bad?
Or is Concordia better than Carleton?
 
最初由 gdntfrank 发布


Accrording to my survey in EE, UT has 3 times of number of papers published as Carleton.
But all other canadian university are in the same level. At least, Carleton performs better
than Waterloo and Macmaster in EE. But anyway, the overall ranking is meaningless for
graduate level.

据我所知,McMaster 有两名诺贝尔奖获得者,一名是在物理学,还有一名不知是否EE。但要说Carleton的EE能超过Waterloo,您必需拿出领人信服的评估。
 
最初由 土鳖虫 发布


据我所知,McMaster 有两名诺贝尔奖获得者,一名是在物理学,还有一名不知是否EE。但要说Carleton的EE能超过Waterloo,您必需拿出领人信服的评估。

If you search the papers in IEEE, you can see the result.
BTW, waterloo is famous for its computer science and math program.
But not for EE, definitely. It just second class in EE.
 
Ranking canadian schools are really meaningless.
You won't see any difference from No 5 to No 20.
All the canadian schools (except UT) ranked between 20-50 in US.
 
最初由 terry 发布


咱们这渥京不是有个OU华人学生的PAPER上科学杂志封面了吗?

He is from National Research Council, not OU or CU
 
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