方舟子说：实际使用效果证明美国疫苗有效而中国疫苗无效

[向问天]

为人民还要等一个月才批准呢？

中国给WHO的钱少。

 

[woodwolf]

1. 我觉得中国没有必要自己再公布三期试验结果。一是中国自己没有第一手数据，二是国外作过的数据不管是正面的，负面的都已经公布了。
2. 如果是我，或者是更外行一点儿的人说这话，有情可原。它不管怎么说是相关领域的博士，实在是贻笑大方。听听他对“疫苗反作用”的解释，哈哈灭活疫苗不但没有有效的抗体，反而有可能有些其它没有用的抗体。它当灭活疫苗是老太太腌酸菜啊。作为博士，应该知道引用数据或者例证要有可靠的出处，某记者说，某医院？12个打了疫苗的都感染，并且7个进ICU这么严重的事情，在这么多国家，这么大的试验范围内都没发现？要么这个是谣言，要么所有第三方国家都在帮助中国作假。
3. 再听听他后面关于中国开始在国内推广疫苗的厥词，是他妈的人话吗？

公布结果和公布数据是不同的概念，这一点要搞明白。

 

[向问天]

公布结果和公布数据是不同的概念，这一点要搞明白。

这个是数据还是结果？

Sinovac Announces Phase III Results of Its COVID-19 Vaccine

Sinovac Biotech Ltd. (NASDAQ: SVA) (“Sinovac” or the “Company”), a leading provider of biopharmaceutical products in China, today announced phase III results...

www.businesswire.com

 

[woodwolf]

中国给WHO的钱少。

中国那么有钱，为什么还不如美国大方呢？早批准，卖的更多吧。

 

[woodwolf]

这个是数据还是结果？

Sinovac Announces Phase III Results of Its COVID-19 Vaccine

Sinovac Biotech Ltd. (NASDAQ: SVA) (“Sinovac” or the “Company”), a leading provider of biopharmaceutical products in China, today announced phase III results...

www.businesswire.com

标题说的很清楚，结果。

 

[billwanhua]

都不要吵了，不能听方舟子瞎扯，我看视频里面关键证据就是秘鲁医院12个感染7个ICU，如果谁能找到这个新闻我就信肘子，找不到谁发消息问肘子要

 

[向问天]

标题说的很清楚，结果。

是带数据的结果。


这是数据：

As of December 16, 2020, there were 12,396 health workers over 18 years old enrolled. A total of 253 positive cases were collected during the observation period. After 14 days following vaccination with 2 doses of vaccine following a 0, 14 day schedule, the efficacy rate against diseases caused by COVID-19 was 50.65% for all cases, 83.70% for cases requiring medical treatment, and 100.00% for hospitalized, severe, and fatal cases.

There are two stages of the phase III clinical trial in Turkey. Participants comprised health care workers in the first stage (K-1) and the general population in the second stage (K-2), with all participants ranging from 18 to 59 years old. As of December 23, 2020, there were 918 participants enrolled in K-1 and 6,453 participants in K-2, for a total of 7,371 participants. Among them, 1,322 participants completed the two-dose vaccination and entered the 14-day observation period after receiving the second dose of the vaccination. Based on an analysis of 29 cases, the efficacy rate for COVID-19 prevention was 91.25% after 14 days following the two-dose vaccination, in adherence with the 0, 14 day schedule.

 

[向问天]

中国那么有钱，为什么还不如美国大方呢？早批准，卖的更多吧。

美国更富。
现在已经供不应求，不能卖得更多了。

 

[春夏秋鼕]

外行看结果，结果还要等一段时间

 

[woodwolf]

美国更富。
现在已经供不应求，不能卖得更多了。

现在都在抢疫苗哇，欧盟成员国之间都在抢。

 

[向问天]

现在都在抢疫苗哇，欧盟成员国之间都在抢。

中国疫苗在国际市场上价格最高。

 

[woodwolf]

是带数据的结果。


这是数据：

As of December 16, 2020, there were 12,396 health workers over 18 years old enrolled. A total of 253 positive cases were collected during the observation period. After 14 days following vaccination with 2 doses of vaccine following a 0, 14 day schedule, the efficacy rate against diseases caused by COVID-19 was 50.65% for all cases, 83.70% for cases requiring medical treatment, and 100.00% for hospitalized, severe, and fatal cases.

There are two stages of the phase III clinical trial in Turkey. Participants comprised health care workers in the first stage (K-1) and the general population in the second stage (K-2), with all participants ranging from 18 to 59 years old. As of December 23, 2020, there were 918 participants enrolled in K-1 and 6,453 participants in K-2, for a total of 7,371 participants. Among them, 1,322 participants completed the two-dose vaccination and entered the 14-day observation period after receiving the second dose of the vaccination. Based on an analysis of 29 cases, the efficacy rate for COVID-19 prevention was 91.25% after 14 days following the two-dose vaccination, in adherence with the 0, 14 day schedule.

这要是数据，who 五分钟就审查完了……

 

[向问天]

这要是数据，who 五分钟就审查完了……

我说了是钱的事

 

[woodwolf]

我说了是钱的事

小学生都能审查这样的“数据”。

 

[凤舞九天]

有点脑子的人都会想想政治局常委为嘛不打