加拿大两个麦克获释，已经在回家的路上

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听一个法裔老头怀念，老土豆和歪嘴那年代的加拿大总理都比较硬核。 大概意思就是“一代不如一代” 。

这个事解决得好，可能中国私下给了美国利益，加拿大解了一个死结，又没有得罪美国。
现在澳洲美国英国一起跟中国死磕，以后农产品加拿大可以跟中国大规模交易，农产品澳洲美国都是加拿大的竞争对手。
加拿大历史上就有独立自主的政策，不是什么都听美国的，远的如土豆爸爸卖给中国农产品而拒绝台湾参加蒙特利尔奥运会，近的如拒绝出兵伊拉克。
咱们有自己的利益，跟中国搞好关系，可以拉拢中国不要偏向俄罗斯在北极的利益。

 

[悠游姜江]

解决问题的方式有多种，有些超越底线的方法是不可取的。譬如说，妇女自己脱光后与警察动手，屡试不爽。

可见，反抗霸权，很难。

 

[地坛北里]

不妨反过来问一下，如果中国不这么强硬，美加就会允许华为发展业务了？

No, 沒得选只能应战，打一场或許有生的希望

 

[凤舞九天]

孟大妈临走还感谢了加拿大政府和人民，两迈克有没有感谢中国共产党和人民？

 

[woodwolf]

美国让加拿大抓了个中国人，中国马上抓了两个加拿大人。中加互相要求对方放人，双方又都通过美国要求对方放入。拖了一段时间，看着三个被抓的人受的苦难差不多了。美国就和双方说你们同时放入吧，然后让双方各派飞机接人并规定起飞时间。等双方忙活了几天安排好了各自的包机，美国就说起飞吧。美国人打开电视，看着被抓的人各自回到本国机场于亲人和朋友团聚，激动的热泪盈眶。中国和加拿大都宣称这是双赢、同声称赞自己的政府。民族热情高涨，感觉又赢了一次。美国人静静地看着笑了笑，然后关掉电视，洗了洗就睡了，像和自己一点关系都没有一样。

 

[布鲁斯南]

与美国有引渡协议的只有加拿大么？之前那碗粥满世界四处溜达，其他国家干嘛不扣她?
缺少政治敏感度就要承认自己不够成熟。做过蠢事就要认识到自己蠢过。前事不忘后事之师。土豆至少已经学乖了。两只大象掐架，小动物们最好溜边走，掺和进去只能自己被踩。
拜登去求情换回两个迈克回来，是因为地缘政治和美国自身的老大身份。美国要从一开始就欣赏的认为加拿大正直干净的像个小白兔，就不该将加拿大拖进这滩泥水。这事儿里最恶心的就是美国。

你想说那些与美国有引渡协议的国家不协助扣押孟公主是聪明之举吗？置原则于一边，毫无底线地为自己谋利是土共教给你的生存之道吧？

加拿大不管是左派还是右派政府，国际事务上从来是严守规则的模范国家。当初加拿大还帮助中国引渡了赖昌星呢，更别提无数的被土共红通的贪官了。如果加拿大也耍小聪明，不是可以把那些土共贪官的巨额赃款留在加拿大吗？但加拿大人不是那种无耻小人。

 

[布鲁斯南]

感觉你就有点像anti vexxer，什么背后的暗黑势力，有点像天方夜谭

有点儿像天方夜谭？以有些人的认知能力，应该就认为这是天方夜谭。

 

[bahaiwen]

Kovrig, Spavor return home to Canada after China release

Michael Kovrig and Michael Spavor were picked up in December 2018 on charges of espionage but critics described it as ‘hostage diplomacy’.

[data:image/svg+xml;charset=utf-8,%3Csvg xmlns='http://www][https://www-aljazeera-com]Michael Spavor (left) and Michael Kovrig (right) were picked up in December 2018 on charges of espionage, shortly after Canadian authorities arrested Huawei executive Meng Wanzhou on a US warrant [File: Wang Zhao, Julie David De Lossy/ AFP]

25 Sep 2021

Updated:

9 hours ago

The two Canadians who were imprisoned by Beijing for nearly three years have returned home, local media has reported, where Prime Minister Justin Trudeau received them.

Footage from TV channel CTV showed Trudeau welcoming businessman Michael Spavor and former diplomat Michael Kovrig when they arrived in the western Canadian city of Calgary on Saturday.

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The Prime Minister’s Office did not offer an immediate comment.

“Welcome home, Michaels,” Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS) wrote on Twitter.

“CSIS joins all Canadians in welcoming you back to Canada.”

Kovrig and Spavor were picked up in December 2018 on charges of espionage, shortly after Canadian authorities arrested telecoms giant Huawei’s chief financial officer, Meng Wanzhou on a US warrant.

The daughter of Huawei founder Ren Zhengfei, Meng was accused of bank fraud in the US in connection with violating sanctions against Iran.

After more than 1,000 days under house arrest in Canada, she was allowed to go home after a deal was reached with US prosecutors to end the fraud case against her.

Meng’s plane landed on Saturday in China’s southern Shenzhen airport, according to state media.

The two Canadians were released on Friday a few hours after Meng, Trudeau has said.

“These two men have been through an unbelievably difficult situation, but it is inspiring and it is good news for all of us that they are on their way home to their families,” Trudeau told reporters in brief remarks on Friday.

Trudeau said that Kovrig and Spavor were accompanied home by Canada’s ambassador to China, Dominic Barton.

“I know that there’s going to be time for reflections and analyses in the coming days and weeks. But the fact of the matter is, I know that Canadians will be incredibly happy to know right now, this Friday night that Michael Kovrig and Michael Spavor are on the plane and they are coming home.”

‘Hostage diplomacy’

In a statement, US Secretary of State Antony Blinken welcomed the release, “after more than two-and-a-half years of arbitrary detention”.

“We are pleased that they are returning home to Canada.”

Both Kovrig and Spavor were put on trial in March of this year.

In August, Spavor was sentenced to 11 years in prison, while there had been no decision in Kovrig’s case.

Their families at the beginning of September led hundreds of supporters marching 7,000 steps through the Canadian capital – the same number Kovrig said in letters to his family he walked in his small cell every day – to bring attention to their detention.

Representatives of 26 countries had also gathered outside the building in Beijing where his closed-door trial was held in March.

Supporters of Michael Kovrig and Michael Spavor march to mark 1,000 days since the Canadians were arrested in China, during a protest in Ottawa earlier this month [File: Blair Gable/Reuters]Canadian and other diplomats were also barred from attending Spavor’s trial in the northern Chinese city of Dandong.

The two Canadians had almost no contact with the outside world since their detention, and virtual consular visits only resumed in October 2020 after a nine-month hiatus that authorities said was due to the coronavirus pandemic.

Al Jazeera’s Jody Vance, reporting from Vancouver, said Canadians were “joyful” about hearing the news.

“This has been a very long road, a worrisome road of over a thousand days,” she said.

But she also said that the episode has strained relations between Ottawa and Beijing, adding that the issue “is not going away anytime soon”.

“Where do we go from here in terms of the relationship between Canada and China?”

Although Beijing has insisted that the two cases were not linked, Trudeau’s Liberal government accused China of engaging in “hostage diplomacy”. Trudeau was not asked whether the two countries had struck a bilateral deal.

“I want to thank our allies and partners around the world in the international community who have stood steadfast in solidarity with Canada and with these two Canadians,” Trudeau said.

SOURCE: AL JAZEERA, REUTERS

 

[baima123]

你想说那些与美国有引渡协议的国家不协助扣押孟公主是聪明之举吗？置原则于一边，毫无底线地为自己谋利是土共教给你的生存之道吧？

加拿大不管是左派还是右派政府，国际事务上从来是严守规则的模范国家。当初加拿大还帮助中国引渡了赖昌星呢，更别提无数的被土共红通的贪官了。如果加拿大也耍小聪明，不是可以把那些土共贪官的巨额赃款留在加拿大吗？但加拿大人不是那种无耻小人。

你好有趣。


要真是有原则，美国为什么不坚持把那碗粥投入到大牢里去？ 加拿大为何能与中国美国做了交易？和‘绑匪中共’做交易，互放人质，这也叫有原则？

此外，如真的有原则的扣押，司法独立，就该将某粥早早送到美国去。拖了这么久，拖到美国一撤诉，立刻放人。若是按照司法独立的原则，事先没勾兑，一切是都是依法办事，按流程释放，鬼都没这么快的。

加拿大确实比中美都强，但是也不过是将将及格和根本不及格的区别。

能把一某个前不久还爆实锤 屠杀原住民 的国家机器形容的洁白无暇。 怎么说呢， 呵呵呵。。。呵呵呵呵。。。

 

[这都不是事儿]

你好有趣。


要真是有原则，美国为什么不坚持把那碗粥投入到大牢里去？ 加拿大为何能与中国美国做了交易？和‘绑匪中共’做交易，互放人质，这也叫有原则？

此外，如真的有原则的扣押，司法独立，就该将某粥早早送到美国去。拖了这么久，拖到美国一撤诉，立刻放人。若是按照司法独立的原则，事先没勾兑，一切是都是依法办事，按流程释放，鬼都没这么快的。

加拿大确实比中美都强，但是也不过是将将及格和根本不及格的区别。

能把一某个前不久还爆实锤 屠杀原住民 的国家机器形容的洁白无暇。 怎么说呢， 呵呵呵。。。呵呵呵呵。。。

双方的飞机同时起飞，说明早就通气，算好了时间做交易。司法独立的丁字裤中间那根细绳其实已经断了。

 

[春夏秋鼕]

三国合拍一台戏，阵容强大，土豆最近够忙的。。。

 

[布鲁斯南]

你好有趣。


要真是有原则，美国为什么不坚持把那碗粥投入到大牢里去？ 加拿大为何能与中国美国做了交易？和‘绑匪中共’做交易，互放人质，这也叫有原则？

此外，如真的有原则的扣押，司法独立，就该将某粥早早送到美国去。拖了这么久，拖到美国一撤诉，立刻放人。若是按照司法独立的原则，事先没勾兑，一切是都是依法办事，按流程释放，鬼都没这么快的。

加拿大确实比中美都强，但是也不过是将将及格和根本不及格的区别。

能把一某个前不久还爆实锤 屠杀原住民 的国家机器形容的洁白无暇。 怎么说呢， 呵呵呵。。。呵呵呵呵。。。

你需要补的课太多，可能有些东西不易理解。简单点儿说吧，先把美国土共国撇开，加拿大扣押孟晚舟的唯一法律依据就是美加引渡协议。在美国的引渡请求下实施逮捕后，加拿大并不能马上把孟引渡过去。根据引渡协议，加拿大先要完成两个最基本的调查任务。一是要确认孟晚舟实实在在做了美国指控她的那些事儿，二是要确保孟晚舟被引渡到美国后不会受到虐待和死刑。这是需要时间的，特别是被告百般抵赖的情况下。这应该回答了你为啥加拿大没把粥早早送往美国的问题了吧？同样是根据引渡协议，如果美国撤销了引渡请求，加拿大就立刻无权再扣押孟晚舟了，当然一切进行中的法律程序会立即终止，马上放人。这应该回答了你为啥放人时像鬼那么快的问题。

 

[johnny_cash]

中国是一个什么样的国家，大家心里没有逼数吗？

简单说，法是人立的，法是靠人来执行的。对于没有权力的人来说，法大。反之，人大。这里的人，也可以看成国家。
就从孟晚舟事件说，根本问题是美国要制裁伊朗。这是政治事件。但美国通过法律来进行。但本质还是政治。为什么美国能通过立法来执行，而伊朗不能？这就是实力带来的权力。

前面一位提到了杀人。一般来说，刑事上的杀人在哪个国家都不是政治事件。但引发第一次世界大战的刺杀就是政治事件。

因为美国从来不用伊朗货币交易。

 

[IMeMyself]

看来这一招还是有用的。

抓人质?

 

[茶马盐铁]

一是要确认孟晚舟实实在在做了美国指控她的那些事儿

不需要确认孟晚舟是否真的做了那些事。 这是美国需要做的工作。

加拿大需要确认的是，美国对她的指控， 在加拿大是否也是犯罪。

比如美国指控她违反了对伊朗的禁运。 这在美国是犯罪， 但是在加拿大不是，因为加拿大并没有对伊朗禁运。
而美国指控她欺骗银行， 这在美国和加拿大都是犯罪。 那么引渡也只能根据这个指控，而不是前一个。

孟晚舟的辩护则是， 她没有欺骗银行， 或者银行早就知道了她是华为的人。 双方争执在这一点。 而起因则是汇丰自己说，他被孟所欺骗了。

所以， 中国找加拿大的麻烦完全是无厘头。 放着汇丰这个源头不去找， 却找加拿大， 完全是缘木求鱼。

事实上， 汇丰依然在中国大做生意， 中国政府可喜欢汇丰银行了。