人民的Costco发电机减价,有一氧化碳检测关机功能。 4450/3550W 479.99 这个周末消费1000以上再减20%

你再查查10%thd 是什么意思。
那个应该是跟你的PSU 整压以后的直流输出有关,而跟交流输入没有任何关系。

输入电压有问题无非两个方面,电压波动或者波形不对,波动特别是高压可以用surge protector保护,波形不对,Honda已经说了,很多廉价inverter波形也有问题
surge protector 无法处理这种持续的波动
你这又说廉价

难道廉价的non inverter就好?
你去看看scope的输出吧,反正我俩inverter,你爱买啥买啥,good luck
 
关键是 Surge Protector可以解决,特别是人家已经买了的普通发动机,你难道非让人再买一个?还有你说的tri fuel没有inverter,怎么办呢?我要买就买能带natural gas的
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连这个都根本没有必要用,
拿到发电机后仔细看一下说明,每一个发电机的输出口都装Surge protector,所以你根本没必要再装一个,所以那些瞎了了的人给你的耸人听闻的特别情况根本就出不了发动机。
 
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连这个都根本没有必要用,
拿到发电机后仔细看一下说明,每一个发电机的输出口都装Surge protector,所以你根本没必要再装一个,所以那些瞎了了的人给你的耸人听闻的特别情况根本就出不了发动机。
正规厂家发电机,如果把人家电器损害了,特别是输出电压太高导致火灾,北美大家都知道,厂家不赔死才怪。
北美那么多人,水平参差不齐,很多人根本不看说明书,他们有电不接手机电脑,我才不信。
刚刚查了一下inverter,好处主要是效率高,输出功率可控,坏处是功率一般较小
 

这个贴貌似说Surge protectors是耗材, 需要定期更换。我不懂为啥

Surge protectors are rated by the amount of joules they can absorb over their lifetimes, and normal daily use slowly reduces their effectiveness. An old surge protector probably offers little to no surge protection at all.

When using a surge protector with a generator, choose a high-quality surge protector (look for one with a guarantee), replace it often, and don’t rely on it as your only means of protecting your devices.
 
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第二个贴也说surge protectors是耗材, 说不准啥时候就失效了you never know when your surge protector can fail.

Apart from proper generator surge protector installation, there are several other things to keep in mind to get more consistent power. The first thing is that surge protectors don’t last a lifetime. The shielding this device offers is counted in joules. The joules rating refers to how much energy they can absorb.

However, after some time, the protector wears out, and the level of protection decreases or is no longer there. Some surge protectors will notify you when this happens, but many will continue operating, and you’ll know they don’t work only after the damage is done. This is all to say how essential it is to replace surge protectors from time to time, primarily after they handled a severe power surge such as a blown-up transformer.

Finally, although this method is completely valid, you never know when your surge protector can fail. That’s why it’s a wise choice to have other guarding layers in place. You can also look into other options on the market that offer a warranty on electronics to have an additional layer of safety.
 
另外, 如果一直拉到底部, 读conclusion, 这俩贴的结论都是:
1、电子产品有必要层层保护
2、最简单的办法是invertor, 还比做层层保护的总价便宜。

我现在想起来, 新的电器比如洗衣机之类也好多自称是智能的, 能连wifi,但我从来没弄过, 就当普通机型使。

In Conclusion

Using an inverter generator is the easiest way to make generator power safe for electronics on a reasonable budget.

With conventional generators, it’s best to add additional surge protection devices to give your electronics the clean power they need and protect them from damage.

While a high-priced home standby generator will have such a feature already equipped to it, your average portable inverter generator may not and will require some slight upgrades to be completely electronic friendly.


Can You Charge Electronics from a Generator?
It depends on the generator type or safeguards you are using. Suppose you have an inverter generator or a whole-house generator connected to your home with a transfer switch. Then you can safely use them for charging electronics. But, if you have a regular generator, you will need to add extra layers of security such as surge protectors and arresters, AVR, UPS, or a power line conditioner.


Which Generators are Safe to Power a Cell Phone, Computer, and Other Sensitive Electronics?
Inverter generators are generally the best option to power delicate electronics because they provide steady, clean power. So, if you’re currently in the market for a new portable generator, and you know that you’ll have sensitive electronics connected to it, you should look into inverter generators.
 
另外, 如果一直拉到底部, 读conclusion, 这俩贴的结论都是:
1、电子产品有必要层层保护
2、最简单的办法是invertor, 还比做层层保护的总价便宜。

我现在想起来新的电器比如洗衣机之类也好多自称是智能的, 能连wifi,但我从来没弄过, 就当普通机型使。






Can You Charge Electronics from a Generator?
It depends on the generator type or safeguards you are using. Suppose you have an inverter generator or a whole-house generator connected to your home with a transfer switch. Then you can safely use them for charging electronics. But, if you have a regular generator, you will need to add extra layers of security such as surge protectors and arresters, AVR, UPS, or a power line conditioner.
Which Generators are Safe to Power a Cell Phone, Computer, and Other Sensitive Electronics?
Inverter generators are generally the best option to power delicate electronics because they provide steady, clean power. So, if you’re currently in the market for a new portable generator, and you know that you’ll have sensitive electronics connected to it, you should look into inverter generators.
我查了几个普通的发电机说明书,没有一个说不能接电脑等等设备,连警告也没有,而且说明书上还写了电脑等设备的用电功率,如果发电机损害这些设备,这些厂家会被起诉的。

比喻这个Costco最便宜的发电机说明书

https://media.tractorsupply.com/is/...mpany/tsc/product/1/49/99/20/1499920_Man1.pdf

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这个贴貌似说Surge protectors是耗材, 需要定期更换。我不懂为啥

Surge protectors are rated by the amount of joules they can absorb over their lifetimes, and normal daily use slowly reduces their effectiveness. An old surge protector probably offers little to no surge protection at all.

When using a surge protector with a generator, choose a high-quality surge protector (look for one with a guarantee), replace it often, and don’t rely on it as your only means of protecting your devices.
surge protector 根本原理应该是当电压输入过高,protector自己击穿避免了用电的电器出问题,一般击穿后,保护功能就失效了。如果经常有非常大的surge,这个就会失效
 
我查了几个普通的发电机说明书,没有一个说不能接电脑等等设备,连警告也没有,而且说明书上还写了电脑等设备的用电功率,如果发电机损害这些设备,这些厂家会被起诉的。

比喻这个Costco最便宜的发电机说明书

https://media.tractorsupply.com/is/...mpany/tsc/product/1/49/99/20/1499920_Man1.pdf

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对,GAS GENERATOR 不能接computer是某人说法,以前没听说过。
 
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关键是 Surge Protector可以解决,特别是人家已经买了的普通发动机,你难道非让人再买一个?还有你说的tri fuel没有inverter,怎么办呢?我要买就买能带natural gas的
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$30搞定

已经买了的普通发动机当然不需要换。毕竟很少能用上。如果有其他需要,比如想买 tri fuel 的, 没有inverter, 那也没有办法。
只要有可能,买新的肯定选 inverter。 价钱比普通发动机贵不了多少,省的油钱上就赚回来了 没啥好说的。
 
已经买了的普通发动机当然不需要换。毕竟很少能用上。如果有其他需要,比如想买 tri fuel 的, 没有inverter, 那也没有办法。
只要有可能,买新的肯定选 inverter。 价钱比普通发动机贵不了多少,省的油钱上就赚回来了 没啥好说的。
inverter好处是输出功率随着使用功率而调节,所以效率更高,而普通发电机可能是恒定输出功率。

很多网上说普通发电机不能用电脑等电器,感觉是厂家想卖贵的给大家,如果普通发电机大规模损害电脑等设备,使用手册上封面会大写警告⚠。

真要那么小心,普通发电机接一个surge protector就可以了。

看了发电机说明书,上面说每周要发动几分钟,或者要清空汽油,太麻烦了,最好还是用propane或者天然气的
 
已经买了的普通发动机当然不需要换。毕竟很少能用上。如果有其他需要,比如想买 tri fuel 的, 没有inverter, 那也没有办法。
只要有可能,买新的肯定选 inverter。 价钱比普通发动机贵不了多少,省的油钱上就赚回来了 没啥好说的。
老实讲我对是否省油是有问题的,能看到的就是说inverter会根据负载变化调整功率,但是我100%的确认generator至少现在卖的generator也都是100%根据负载变化调整功率的,而不是恒定在一个功率,这和是是不是inverter没有关系,事实上所有标注有starter功率的发电机都有这个功能,就是在短时间里可以承受发动机功率两倍的负载,一边发动机可以提速提供更大的功率。就是用一个大starter电容来实现这个功能。除非inverter里面装有电池否则以应该也是用这个方法实现变功率。所以还是要有一定的电力知识而不是在Internet上查文章。我猜可能在很多年以前generator是只能提供固定功率的。我说很多年前是因为至少10年前,我就没有再看到过没有stater功率的发电机了
 
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inverter好处是输出功率随着使用功率而调节,所以效率更高,而普通发电机可能是恒定输出功率。

很多网上说普通发电机不能用电脑等电器,感觉是厂家想卖贵的给大家,如果普通发电机大规模损害电脑等设备,使用手册上封面会大写警告⚠。

真要那么小心,普通发电机接一个surge protector就可以了。

看了发电机说明书,上面说每周要发动几分钟,或者要清空汽油,太麻烦了,最好还是用propane或者天然气的
现在卖的generator都是变功率的,你看一下续航时间都是50%workload来算的
 
inverter好处是输出功率随着使用功率而调节,所以效率更高,而普通发电机可能是恒定输出功率。

很多网上说普通发电机不能用电脑等电器,感觉是厂家想卖贵的给大家,如果普通发电机大规模损害电脑等设备,使用手册上封面会大写警告⚠。

真要那么小心,普通发电机接一个surge protector就可以了。

看了发电机说明书,上面说每周要发动几分钟,或者要清空汽油,太麻烦了,最好还是用propane或者天然气的

发电机最常见的使用场景是工地,施工队每周发动电机几分钟不是问题。

家庭用户保养是麻烦事。如果割草砍树做木工那些都用corded,那就可以定期使用发电机,不需要特意去发动。
 
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现在卖的generator都是变功率的,你看一下续航时间都是50%workload来算的


generator 续航时间都是50%workload来算
inverter 续航时间都是 25%workload来算
 
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