毛泽东留了什么给中国？

[Sunrise]

怕没说清楚，再说一次：我个人评价毛泽东的基点只有一个：“。。。这一历史人物，对延续和发展中华文明，做出了什么贡献？“ 我们不是在这里评选道德夫子好好先生。我们也不是法官和陪审团。我们更不是那些不怀好意，要故意搞臭毛泽东的人。

历史是不容假设的。历史记载了毛泽东49年在天安门宣告：“中国人民站起来了！“；历史也只能记载老蒋49年在台湾朝着大陆干瞪眼。历史又记载了解放军在朝鲜跟美帝打了个平手，历史也只能记载老蒋给日本人逼到了重庆。有时我还真想让历史“假如”一下：假如秦始皇不是送徐福去求仙丹，而是送了一支秦海军舰队去日本，那两千年前，秦国版图可就多了个东瀛郡。再假如1274和1281年元军攻打日本而日本没有北条时宗这位英雄（伟人对一个民族重要性的又一明证）及飓风，日本可就从此开始说蒙语或汉语。。。可惜，历史是不容假设的。

再说说毛泽东留了什么给中国。我认为有以下几个重点：

1）毛泽东在中华文明和民族又一次处于危难的时候，完成了挽救丶延续和重振的历史使命。
2）毛泽东丰富的政治丶军事和思想遗产，留给这个民族救国于几倾的良方丶制强敌而胜的战略战术和一往无前的大无畏精神。
3）毛泽东深谋远虑的治国策略，带给这个民族今天在这个强权世界的话事权。想一想英国不得不交还香港，再想一想英国为马岛而与阿根廷开战。。。没有毛泽东顶着骂名而搞出两弹一星，及其后中国因此而拥有的诸如战略核导弹导弹和可以打击诸强权领土的核弹头。。。中国恐怕还得领教“弱国无外交“的屈辱！

毛泽东为了中华的强盛敢做敢为，有胆量也有能力，是我深深佩服的中华英雄！！！

 

[小许愿树]

很对,不要总是埋怨他,没有他,也就没有了中国

 

[金鱼村]

敢于斗争，善于斗争；集中优势兵力，各个歼灭敌人；伤其十指，不如断其一指，等等,是军事思想最高境界，是人类智慧的精髓。在当前“台独”日渐严峻的形势下，只有拿起毛泽东思想武器，不畏强权，敢于斗争，才能保我中华民族不至分裂。

 

[e7528]

伟人是历史的选择！！我们需要伟人！
！

 

[lifeisfun]

最初由 金鱼村 发布
敢于斗争，善于斗争；集中优势兵力，各个歼灭敌人；伤其十指，不如断其一指，等等,是军事思想最高境界，是人类智慧的精髓。在当前“台独”日渐严峻的形势下，只有拿起毛泽东思想武器，不畏强权，敢于斗争，才能保我中华民族不至分裂。

But if there were no Chairman Mao, maybe there were no such separation of mainland and Taiwan, no to say we have to unite China. Mao left us something in China history. But on the other side, he also caused a lot of damage to China, from culture to economic, especially to the life of ordinary Chinese people. We wasted 50 years of time to become a democratic country and we don't know how much time we have to wait. That's the duration of several generations, from our grandparents, to our parents, to us and maybe our next generations. Yes, we did develop nuclear bombs such that we can stand to say no to western countries. But if China didn't become a communist country more than 50 years, maybe we didn't have to develop such weapons at the first place and could use those money to make the life of people better. Our people should be better off long time ago, not just until recent years. And now the party and government he founded is full of corruption and in some aspects is even wrose than the national party 54 years ago. One thing I am sure however is that Chairman Mao is a guy with backbone and not to bow to any strong force, but for others, I am not so sure and the history would tell.

 

[wenxi1]

lifeisfun 你有没有蒋介石统一中国会是一种什么的情况？军阀割据，对美国卑恭屈膝，军事独裁政府。人民只会过得更加惨！蒋介石从来都没有重视过民主，即使是到台湾以后，都没有什么改变，好象美国都很支持。民主跟自由都是一种政治手段，游戏。没有实力保障的民主和自由都是空洞的。在利益的驱使下，民主将被狠狠的践踏！印度人非常想像中国那样实行阶级改革，实行暴力革命，推翻种姓制度。那现在他们的生活就会完全不同。当然老毛是犯了不小错误，但瑕不掩瑜，功大于过。

 

[泛蓝]

最初由 wenxi1 发布
lifeisfun 你有没有蒋介石统一中国会是一种什么的情况？军阀割据，对美国卑恭屈膝，军事独裁政府。人民只会过得更加惨！蒋介石从来都没有重视过民主，即使是到台湾以后，都没有什么改变，好象美国都很支持。民主跟自由都是一种政治手段，游戏。没有实力保障的民主和自由都是空洞的。在利益的驱使下，民主将被狠狠的践踏！印度人非常想像中国那样实行阶级改革，实行暴力革命，推翻种姓制度。那现在他们的生活就会完全不同。当然老毛是犯了不小错误，但瑕不掩瑜，功大于过。

相对于毛泽东，蒋介石好像更独裁一点，可惜他的个人魅力远不及希特勒
心胸极端狭窄，成不了大气。

 

[Sunrise]

Shut up. you. You have no right to talk about this. IRAQ has no nuclear weapons, so what happen to them? North Kerea just declared they had the nuclear weapon, so how Yankees treat them?

One thing is sure that:

IF THERE IS NO NUCLEAR WEAPON, THERE IS NO CHINA.

Got it.:flaming: :flaming: :flaming:

最初由 lifeisfun 发布


But if there were no Chairman Mao, maybe there were no such separation of mainland and Taiwan, no to say we have to unite China. Mao left us something in China history. But on the other side, he also caused a lot of damage to China, from culture to economic, especially to the life of ordinary Chinese people. We wasted 50 years of time to become a democratic country and we don't know how much time we have to wait. That's the duration of several generations, from our grandparents, to our parents, to us and maybe our next generations. Yes, we did develop nuclear bombs such that we can stand to say no to western countries. But if China didn't become a communist country more than 50 years, maybe we didn't have to develop such weapons at the first place and could use those money to make the life of people better. Our people should be better off long time ago, not just until recent years. And now the party and government he founded is full of corruption and in some aspects is even wrose than the national party 54 years ago. One thing I am sure however is that Chairman Mao is a guy with backbone and not to bow to any strong force, but for others, I am not so sure and the history would tell.

 

[泛蓝]

最初由 Sunrise 发布

IF THERE IS NO NUCLEAR WEAPON, THERE IS NO CHINA.

支持！！

 

[lifeisfun]

最初由 wenxi1 发布
lifeisfun 你有没有蒋介石统一中国会是一种什么的情况？军阀割据，对美国卑恭屈膝，军事独裁政府。人民只会过得更加惨！蒋介石从来都没有重视过民主，即使是到台湾以后，都没有什么改变，好象美国都很支持。民主跟自由都是一种政治手段，游戏。没有实力保障的民主和自由都是空洞的。在利益的驱使下，民主将被狠狠的践踏！印度人非常想像中国那样实行阶级改革，实行暴力革命，推翻种姓制度。那现在他们的生活就会完全不同。当然老毛是犯了不小错误，但瑕不掩瑜，功大于过。

If you have learned the history, you should have known that the communist army is the only one not being defeated by the Lao Jiang. If there was no such army, Lao Jiang could have united the country. And don't you think this communist government is not a dictator government. Do you think we live in a better system than in Taiwan? Then why people in Taiwan live a better life than us. Not bowing to others doesn't mean you are doing the right thing. The history prove that the communism is not the right thing to do and therefore what our dear Chairman Mao did is wrong. He is just another emperor in China history, no more. Don't always contribute all the achievements in China to some leader, and only count on them to save us. Chinese people are great people, not those so-called leader.

 

[lifeisfun]

最初由 Sunrise 发布
Shut up. you. You have no right to talk about this. IRAQ has no nuclear weapons, so what happen to them? North Kerea just declared they had the nuclear weapon, so how Yankees treat them?

One thing is sure that:

IF THERE IS NO NUCLEAR WEAPON, THERE IS NO CHINA.

Got it.:flaming: :flaming: :flaming:

Don't use such words like shut up. You sound like our chairman Mao who let everyone shut up except hiself. Remember you are in Canada and I have the right to talk like you do. So if you are right, then Canada should also have nuclear weapon and every country in this world should have this kind of weapon. If that is the truth, then humanbeing must have been destoried many times.

 

[hulala]

基本同意你的观点。

1953年朝鲜战争结束之前，老毛对中国的主权独立，国家的领土（包括西藏和新疆的解放）的完整和民族的解放做出了巨大贡献。老毛及他的将领们给世界军事上也留下了大量的范例，这是谁也抹杀不了的。当然，一将功成万古枯，死的人太多了。内战的牺牲要大于抗日战争的牺牲（不一定对，没时间找资料去计算，希望补充）。我觉得如果朝鲜战争的对手是二战时期的日本鬼子该有多好。如果关公能战秦琼，让真正代表国家军事力量的 解放军而不是八路军和1937年的日本鬼子打一仗，小日本就会老实多了。从那以后，封建制和农奴制在中国大地上不复存在。这对于以后的中国发展甩下了巨大的包袱。

1953年以后的新中国建设时期，老毛有功有过，功劳是大大地，过失也是不小地。

功劳：

给新中国一个相对完整的工业体系；二弹一星；军工体系，能开始自主研制现代化的武器；给新中国培育了大量的技术工人和各门类的科技人才；给新中国一个有效地社会保障体系（我记得“为了六十一个阶级兄弟”）；

过失：

反右我认为不全算过失，只是有些过于整人了。反右是必要地（看看现在的贪官污吏们，在过去是不是都算右派），但不应整人关牛棚，可以量才使用，但不能让他们掌权。

大跃进绝对是个失误，导致三年的“人为灾害”（好象没听说过一个几百万平方公里的土地上能连续三年有自然灾害）。

强行的农业合作化对农村的生产力的摧毁也是不可估量的。从建国到现在的户籍制度虽然在一定程度上使社会安定，但它也使农民们禁锢在本乡的土地上，使中国的农业人口到目前还占大部分，严重地阻碍了中国的城市化和工业化进程，使农民在教育，务工和福利等方面受到不公正的对待。结果使农村人口过剩，教育不足产生了许多没有技术的较为初级的过剩劳动力。对中国的发展和人民生活水平的提高产生了深远的影响。

文化大革命更是很大的失误，不仅中国各方面倒退，也给后世带来了很大的麻烦。文革结束后，76年到80年，中国好象只在肃清文革流毒，没干别的。小时侯我多病，不上幼儿园，经常跟爸妈上单位开会搞“斗资批修”，有次被批斗的人是带我拿气枪打鸟的叔叔。上了小学要组织揭批“四人帮”俺还代表一年级学生上台发了言，表示坚决拥护华主席，和四人帮斗争到底。爸妈的单位有次批斗“三种人”，看到被批的人低个头，和我们家住在一个院里。文革以后，将过去儒家的道德观一扫而光。每个人都象好斗的公鸡，对别人不信任，社会开始产生信任危机。

我以前还天真以为毛泽东发动文革的本意是好的，被“四人帮”利用了。后来发现“四人帮”只是他的左膀右臂，主使人就是他本人。动机是稳定他的统治地位，成为中国的无冕之王，王位可以世袭。“路线斗争”只不过是幌子。除了手段隐蔽，他和朱元璋没有区别，就是要利用他的威信干掉和他打江山的人，给后世的接班人留下没有刺的权杖。他自己要玩，还要带上8亿人民跟他一起玩。

毛是个有魄力，有雄才大略的伟人。毛绝对算个风流人物，但是英雄难过“权位关”。这一点和华盛顿总统比，可是大逊风骚。


对于不对，就是这个了。拍砖俺接着，但不回拍。

最初由 Sunrise 发布
怕没说清楚，再说一次：我个人评价毛泽东的基点只有一个：“。。。这一历史人物，对延续和发展中华文明，做出了什么贡献？“ 我们不是在这里评选道德夫子好好先生。我们也不是法官和陪审团。我们更不是那些不怀好意，要故意搞臭毛泽东的人。

历史是不容假设的。历史记载了毛泽东49年在天安门宣告：“中国人民站起来了！“；历史也只能记载老蒋49年在台湾朝着大陆干瞪眼。历史又记载了解放军在朝鲜跟美帝打了个平手，历史也只能记载老蒋给日本人逼到了重庆。有时我还真想让历史“假如”一下：假如秦始皇不是送徐福去求仙丹，而是送了一支秦海军舰队去日本，那两千年前，秦国版图可就多了个东瀛郡。再假如1274和1281年元军攻打日本而日本没有北条时宗这位英雄（伟人对一个民族重要性的又一明证）及飓风，日本可就从此开始说蒙语或汉语。。。可惜，历史是不容假设的。

再说说毛泽东留了什么给中国。我认为有以下几个重点：

1）毛泽东在中华文明和民族又一次处于危难的时候，完成了挽救丶延续和重振的历史使命。
2）毛泽东丰富的政治丶军事和思想遗产，留给这个民族救国于几倾的良方丶制强敌而胜的战略战术和一往无前的大无畏精神。
3）毛泽东深谋远虑的治国策略，带给这个民族今天在这个强权世界的话事权。想一想英国不得不交还香港，再想一想英国为马岛而与阿根廷开战。。。没有毛泽东顶着骂名而搞出两弹一星，及其后中国因此而拥有的诸如战略核导弹导弹和可以打击诸强权领土的核弹头。。。中国恐怕还得领教“弱国无外交“的屈辱！

毛泽东为了中华的强盛敢做敢为，有胆量也有能力，是我深深佩服的中华英雄！！！

 

[moose]

nonsense!!! The author dose not have the painful experience of ¨culture revolution¨!!!

 

[lifeisfun]

最初由 南岭 发布
我不知道你是哪个年代的人，比我大还是小，但50，60，70年代的那种日子我都过来过。我常给我的孩子讲，但被认为是说天书。我拣过食堂扔的鱼头吃（当然不会有多少肉），冬天在野地里拣过圆白菜根回来削心吃（现在想想一个根能有多大的心呢）。为了提水到几百米外，冬天有时会从水龙头的冰坡上摔下来（当然会满身是冰）。60年能含到一块豆饼（就是农村榨油的渣）感觉是那么的香。。。。
正因为如此，我很为国内现在的进步而欢欣鼓舞。
我84年去美国进修是在硌山矶住在一家马来华侨开的旅店里，正赶上十一国庆阅兵，看完电视，老板几乎激动的不能控制，拿出酒请我们喝，所有中国人的住宿费全免。他说有一个强大的祖国，他们才站的直。以前这些话都是在电影里听到的。
我认为有些网友不要用一些过去的错误来抹杀全部成绩。哪个政党就是一贯正确的呢。有多少人对美国现在的做法满意呢。

So you think those painful experience you had before is not caused by this government, but by someone else. Now China is making progress doesn't mean this government had no fault in the past. It's correcting its fault by its previous leader. To understand its past problem is for going forward.

We all like China to be strong, but it doesn't mean that we shouldn't think about the past. On the other side, a strong country doesn't mean it should only have nuclear power, it means it respect its people, it means ordinary people has the equal right. That could make it has a sustainable progress, not just for a short period. I feel many of us are pretty narrow minded in this aspect. So you would think IRAQ and North Korea will be strong countries if they have nuclear weapon, yes for sure American won't dare to invaed them, but how about their people, are they better off just because they have nuclear weapon. Remember when you have those miserable expereince, China already has nuclear weapon.

I am not trying to say China shouldn't be strong. I am trying to say that building a good society is far more important than having some nuclear weapons. A strong China today is only strong at having some nuclear weapons, or having a better economic, it has a long way to go before it become a real strong country in all aspects. That is someday when you won't see any miserable life in the countryside, when you see people respect each other, when you see all kids are well educated.

 

[猫王]

他老人家留下了最著名和最响亮的一句话就走了。