这世界乱套了，ICE 又在明尼苏达州开枪杀人了，被打死的是一个37岁抗议的白人男子

看着确实很难受，本来只是抗议，却升级成致命冲突。
不太清楚当时是否存在明确的生命威胁，这种情况下执法边界到底该怎么界定？
 

以后马伽拥枪怎么办呢？

While noting that “many critical facts remain unknown,” the Minnesota Gun Owners Caucus said in a statement that “there has been no evidence produced indicating an intent to harm the officers” and called for an investigation by both state and federal authorities.

“Every peaceable Minnesotan has the right to keep and bear arms — including while attending protests, acting as observers, or exercising their First Amendment rights,” the group said. “These rights do not disappear when someone is lawfully armed.”
 
billwanhua 说:

以后马伽拥枪怎么办呢？

While noting that “many critical facts remain unknown,” the Minnesota Gun Owners Caucus said in a statement that “there has been no evidence produced indicating an intent to harm the officers” and called for an investigation by both state and federal authorities.

“Every peaceable Minnesotan has the right to keep and bear arms — including while attending protests, acting as observers, or exercising their First Amendment rights,” the group said. “These rights do not disappear when someone is lawfully armed.”
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一视同仁，格杀勿论！
 
metropolis 说:
一视同仁，格杀勿论！
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www.nytimes.com

Gun Activists Bridle at Suggestion That Pistol Justified Killing

The National Rifle Association and others have argued citizens need guns to fend off government. The killing of Alex Jeffrey Pretti, who carried a pistol, set off debate.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com

mega自己把自己绕进去了

The Gun Owners of America argues that the Second Amendment protects the right to carry firearms while protesting, asserting this right must not be infringed by federal agents

“the Second Amendment protects Americans’ right to bear arms while protesting — a right the federal government must not infringe upon.”
 
billwanhua 说:

以后马伽拥枪怎么办呢？

While noting that “many critical facts remain unknown,” the Minnesota Gun Owners Caucus said in a statement that “there has been no evidence produced indicating an intent to harm the officers” and called for an investigation by both state and federal authorities.

“Every peaceable Minnesotan has the right to keep and bear arms — including while attending protests, acting as observers, or exercising their First Amendment rights,” the group said. “These rights do not disappear when someone is lawfully armed.”
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哈哈哈，左逼媒体开始说拥枪权了，开始讨论宪法修正案的必要性了，太魔幻了。
 
ICE 的解释是，此人带枪接近警官，警官企图让他缴枪，此过程中，警官觉得受到威胁，开枪射击。。。

以后，任何人合法带枪上街，只要警察觉得受到威胁，都会让你缴枪不杀，如果不缴，直接射杀。

这个事件绝对给持枪者敲了警钟，至少不会牛逼哄哄地满处炫耀了。。。
 
ottawa_tj 说:
ICE 的解释是，此人带枪接近警官，警官企图让他缴枪，此过程中，警官觉得受到威胁，开枪射击。。。

以后，任何人合法带枪上街，只要警察觉得受到威胁，都会让你缴枪不杀，如果不缴，直接射杀。

这个事件绝对给持枪者敲了警钟，至少不会牛逼哄哄地满处炫耀了。。。
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这是基本常识啊，你抱着一个天使心和武装力量挥舞手枪，没打成筛子已经是人家手下留情了。
 
ottawa_tj 说:
ICE 的解释是，此人带枪接近警官，警官企图让他缴枪，此过程中，警官觉得受到威胁，开枪射击。。。

以后，任何人合法带枪上街，只要警察觉得受到威胁，都会让你缴枪不杀，如果不缴，直接射杀。

这个事件绝对给持枪者敲了警钟，至少不会牛逼哄哄地满处炫耀了。。。
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mega以后怎么维持社会安全呢？几年前示威游行，不是有个mega拿一个冲锋枪打死一个“暴民”, 然后还被判无罪
 
billwanhua 说:
mega以后怎么维持社会安全呢？几年前示威游行，不是有个mega拿一个冲锋枪打死一个“暴民”, 然后还被判无罪
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那次恰恰是警察被defund，无法保护社区，妈嘎自己拿出枪站在家门口，悲剧才发生。
 
billwanhua 说:
www.nytimes.com

Gun Activists Bridle at Suggestion That Pistol Justified Killing

The National Rifle Association and others have argued citizens need guns to fend off government. The killing of Alex Jeffrey Pretti, who carried a pistol, set off debate.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com

mega自己把自己绕进去了

The Gun Owners of America argues that the Second Amendment protects the right to carry firearms while protesting, asserting this right must not be infringed by federal agents

“the Second Amendment protects Americans’ right to bear arms while protesting — a right the federal government must not infringe upon.”
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不会，他们自我定位是镰刀，无论嘴上怎么说。
 
ztbll 说:
这是基本常识啊，你抱着一个天使心和武装力量挥舞手枪，没打成筛子已经是人家手下留情了。
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那个人在抗议时没有挥舞手枪，枪在枪套中，在冬装里面，5,6个CE制服他时才发现他有手枪，然后ICE把枪从他枪套中取出后就开枪了。

从法律上，如果美国的法律还和以前一样健全的化，ICE绝对是谋杀。被害者有合法持枪上街证。在现场被害者并没有任何用枪威胁的动作和企图。

明尼苏达是可以持枪上街的，几年前一个共和党支持者在街头抗议中被左派的ANTIFA围殴，就拔枪击毙一个ANTIFA 左派的人，当时的法庭已经判了，开枪者无罪。

ICE用此人有枪上街当借口是站不住脚的。
 
最后编辑:
拥枪开车都是合法的，面对ICE就另说了，只要使他们感到威胁，那便该杀。

逻辑上也是通的。

法律是灵活，可变通的，现在私人领土已经不是公知们吹嘘的城堡了，是四处漏风的，无需搜查证可任意践踏的地方。
 
我刚才在咖啡店与一白女随意聊起这个事，她从另一角度说起，中期选举接近，明尼苏达州的事件实际是川普的一个策略，眼看中期选举国会共和党恐失去多数席位，那么ICE的暴力执法及民众的强力反弹，希望是局面失控，这样州长向联邦政府请求国民自卫队帮助，这样川普宣布国家紧急状态，从而取消中期选举。
 
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