魁北克大学考虑取消所有用英文授课的graduate项目(推迟决议)

[coconut]

你可能是该校的在读学生,,你可能是已经毕业的学生,你可能是正在申请该校的学生,你也可能是对该校感兴趣,我们应该团结起来!
今晚,在校的一些热心同学进行了讨论,大家对受到的不公平待遇特别气愤.作为弱势群体,我们有义务要争取我们的权利!一定要让学校听到我们的声音!

下文是一位教授发给我们的信,现在打出来给大家看.
Jan 19,2004
To students in English versions of UQO graduate programs
As you probably already know, over the past few months the University has been reviewing its services for students enrolled in programs taught in English. A French version of this report has been issued today and is available at the following URL:
http://www.uqo.ca/direction-services/vrer/langues/index.asp

This report contains my recommendations for the university’s decision makers for which a final decision will be made by the Board of Directors (Conseil d’administration) in February. Since this issue has garnered numerous reactions to date, even in the regional press, I expect that this new report will be widely discussed and will eventually give rise to various rumors.

I wish to confirm that, regardless of the decisions that will be made by the Board of Directors, the University will continue to offer the courses in your program in English and provide appropriate guidance so that you can complete the program to which you have been admitted.

Please feel free to react to this report by sending your comments to Sylvie.sequin@uqo.ca

Sincerely,

Le vice-recteur a l’enseignement et a la recherche,
Denis Dube
其实,这篇文章非常tricky,只字未提取消的事情.不知法语版的有没有提

 

[龙无忌]

刚才看了那封法文原信，又对照了英文信，应该说是翻译得很客观。
“I wish to confirm that, regardless of the decisions that will be made by the Board of Directors, the University will continue to offer the courses in your program in English and provide appropriate guidance so that you can complete the program to which you have been admitted.”这一段CONFIRMATION，倒是让我们这些在校生送了口气，但愿他一言九鼎，不要变卦！

 

[Anakin]

最初由 龙无忌 发布
刚才看了那封法文原信，又对照了英文信，应该说是翻译得很客观。

但是人家已经把"刀"准备好了..要是没人有意见人家就真"剁"下去了!:hippie:

 

[coconut]

那就是学校官方真会做事情,官方并未公布此事?

am I right?

 

[coconut]

他可是用的wish,不是hope哎,并且就算可能对在校生没太大影响,我们难道就此沉默,接受?

最初由 龙无忌 发布
刚才看了那封法文原信，又对照了英文信，应该说是翻译得很客观。
“I wish to confirm that, regardless of the decisions that will be made by the Board of Directors, the University will continue to offer the courses in your program in English and provide appropriate guidance so that you can complete the program to which you have been admitted.”这一段CONFIRMATION，倒是让我们这些在校生送了口气，但愿他一言九鼎，不要变卦！

我的建议是他们内部出于什么原因做出这样的决定,我们不得而知,从我们的角度来看我们是受害者,保护自己的权利是一定的.但是大家切记我们的态度是坚定而且不改变的,但绝对不能偏激.

 

[龙无忌]

是啊，老奸巨滑的家伙，跟我们玩文字游戏！！ CONFIRM就是CONFIRM，还非得加个“WISH”！！:flaming:

 

[chineseman]

coconut说的对。就算不是为自己，为大家的利益也是好的。

 

[我思故我在]

不平则鸣，希望大家都来关心这件事。

 

[moose]

fight for our chinese!

 

[coconut]

but,I suggest not only from the point of chinese students

最初由 moose 发布
fight for our chinese!

because that might not work,and too sensitive, the board of director is easier to defend themselve from this issue.
from a broader view, English speaking students

 

[coconut]

roughly roughly draft of the letter, pls free to revise and put suggestions.

修改的语气,请切记: 表明的态度是坚定但不要偏激

To Board of Directors (Conseil d’administration):

We were completely astonished when we heard the news that all the graduate programs taught in English is in a big danger of termination in three weeks, although it has not yet confirmed from your esteemed ? directly and publicly.
We have a feeling that it is compulsory for us to express our great regret in this issue as such a weaken minority in UQO. There are mainly two segments of students who are in graduate programs taught in English, one is residents and/or citizens in Quebec, the other provinces, And also as taxpayers of Quebec.
First, in Gatineau, there are 15% residents speak English; the percentage is higher in this capital region which is where UQO located. As taxpayers and minority, we should have the right to acquire our educations and to be taken more cares. And we like to live and get used to live in Outaoious, since this is the only university-level institution in the west Quebec area, if such programs are being cancelled, what are we heading? We will lose the only chance to acquire higher education.
Second, comparing to other provinces, the French speaking minorities are protected so well that they have schools, colleges and universities which taught in French or bilingual, but here we are in the west Quebec area and the only university is UQO and this only university will not offer English any more!
What a terrible thing happened!
Third, that may be leading to a risk of discrimination to ignore such a weaken minorities as us, after all Canada is a bilingual country and with diversified culture. As other language-speaking residents who live in Quebec, we should not be deprived the right to obtain the opportunity to be educated too.

In fact, we are also trying hard to learn French and melt in Quebec culture too, but currently, most of us have not yet acquired the ability to studying graduate-level programs in French.. And although we might wish to have more English service for our study, but at least we accept the current situation and can handle our study and maintain our quality of study.

As we above mentioned, this university is the only one in west Quebec area and it is located in a typical bilingual environment that is in the capital region, that is another reason why this the programs taught in English is necessary to be kept.
And what’s more, two of the programs which may be terminated are MPM and MBA in Financial Service. As we know, UQ is the only university which professionally offers MPM in Canada. And MBA in Financial Service is only offered in two universities, one is UQO. so the terminations will bring long-term significance in Canada.

Or you may say the problems are also come from the students themselves, the have no the enough capabilities to study in English but the solutions can be variable as to put languages acquirement for the administration of prospective students, or it might be to offer some language courses for those students, but the solution is definitely not the termination of programs taught in English.

And honestly we just heard some rumors of the reasons of this termination, but we have not yet being informed officially and formally. And we should have the right to know what on earth is it going on?

Students of UQO

"There are mainly two segments of students who are in graduate programs taught in English, one is residents and/or citizens in Quebec, the other provinces, And also as taxpayers of Quebec."其中另一个segment来自于外省的说英语学生,绝大多数是来自渥太华的学生,我没想出什么还的理由来defend他们,因为怀疑从可增加收入方面不一定能起作用(虽然他们交的学费高,但是收入似乎不是board of directors关心的问题,他们是不是不care这个问题?)

 

[chineseman]

谢谢coconut。
“in Quebec, there are 15% residents speak English" 应该是在Gatineau这个地区

 

[chineseman]

将astonished改成shock怎麽样

 

[merci]

写的挺好的，有几点建议不知合适否
1，我认为他们真实理由无非是中国人学完就走，能否就此提出一些例子，说明现中国学生正积极参加，协助组织中加论坛，为魁北克做经济文化桥梁的事
2，就首都地区说事，加蒂诺和渥太华合称加拿大capital region ，并有希望成为一个城市，据说准备学习美国华盛顿特区形成渥太华特区，在这种形势下取消英语部分不合时宜。
3，在我们现在的学习中，各国文化，经济管理理念的交流，是促进教学水平和科研技术提高的源泉，university 就应该融合各种文化。
4，能否给出我们的正式要求

 

[挺傻]

我的意见写在主坛了，如下：
其实很明显，校方内部的意见并不统一。提议取消的是副校长，但ADM（包括MBA和PMP）,ACCT 的director都表示不支持这个提议。其他几个部门的意见目前不明。学校官方解释取消英语项目的原因在于学校不能提供配套的英语服务，包括网站，配套服务，一些保障人员也认为提供英语服务给他们带来不便。可能有的潜台词隐藏其中。

我们应该表达自己的意见，提出有针对性的理由来保障自己的权益。
个人认为，我们各自可以给提议取消的副校长发邮件，表达自己的意见（他联系邮件是:sylvie.seguin@uqo.ca）。同时也以联名签署的正规信件交到他的手里。我们各自发的邮件，也应该统一观点，各有侧重。

能想到的几个方面如下：
1，加拿大多元文化 （官方语言，不同文化的交流，open的社会）
2，学校长期发展的策略（提供双语教育，位于和安省交界的位置，英语项目的机会，提高学校知名度，项目的认可度，使学校拓展视野增加其竞争力，不要conservative）
3，学校在community 的 function。（学生在community中，融入当地社区，加拿大文化的需要。项目作为了一个载体）
4，英文项目所取得的成绩方面（项目的广度和宽度：学生**人（好象是300多），创办时间长短，毕业生完成项目后“贡献”加拿大的成绩，ICB的合作伙伴，等等。包括涉及项目给学校带来的利润，学校对于资源的更好利用和分配等。（我们目前没有具体数字，虽然这个论断是正确的，不过需要一些数据来支持。建议别说的太细节化，因为很容易被他们反驳。））
5，英语学生对项目的认可。（项目使自己收益很多，类似对项目的高度认可一类的）
6，在不取消该项目的情况下，学生愿意配合学校做项目的调整，改善等（针对有潜台词说英语项目中的某些学生英语不好--入学标准是学校设定的，学生愿意提高自己的水平，学校也有英语课的提供，双方共同配合努力）
7，表示我们有权利在不违背法律的前提下以各种方式表达我们合理的想法与建议，社会（学校）尊重公民（移民）的权利并在有条件的情况下（项目已经办了几年，证明完全有这个条件继续办下去）提供服务。

那个report在http://www.uqo.ca/direction-service...ngues/indes.asp
不过是法语的，我看不明白。不知道学校真正阐述的原因是什么，可以请会法语的帮助看一下，这样我们的意见会更有力度和针对性。（如果学校没说针对中国学生多的理由，我觉得也不适合我们主动去提，可以通过更广的概念和原则把这方面包括进去。）

不要只是中国人反映意见，联合班上其他的英语同学，大家一起反映才有更好的效果。

就想起来这么多，等再想起来再说。”


回来太晚，所以回复太晚了点。没想到初稿都出来了。看了那个网站，因为具体报告不能拷贝，所以没办法在翻译网站翻译。但是看了他们提供的附件名称和种类，发现学校方面的准备其实是很充分的，方方面面都有据可查。我们相对概括和简单的反对意见，看起来说服力和他们提供的资料强度不匹配。（不过我相信那些同样持反对意见的教授会提供更有说服力和更详细的报告表达自己的意见）
学校那么着急就下定论，现在才让我们当事人知道，没有足够的时间给我们进行充分意见反馈（好象他们连小范围的之间，非直接调查都没进行？），就单方面要决定了？（我们也应该强调学校的决定已经把我们涉及在内了，不能不给我们阐述自己意见的权利，我们第一步先阐述整体概念，然后可以继续提供更多的支持资料）

决定一旦做出要想改变就难了，所以我们必须抓住这几周时间，就算不能让他们改变决定，也尽可能让他们考虑到反对意见强大，推迟决定时间，有考虑其他方案的机会。给我们留出时间，再寻找更多的资料和支持。

据说学校在决定上英语项目的时候，也做了很多调查统计，很长时间才决定的。在该项目日渐扩大之时，说取消就那么快取消了？

那些说配套服务跟不上的理由根本不充分，如果学校的出发点是为了学生，更利于我们申辩；

如果出发点是便于学校管理，那要看即便目前不提供英语项目，这种多元化趋势也是他们必须面对的，既然项目已经发展了几年，学校要努力的是在大趋势下抓住机会，提高自己的管理和资源配置；

如果是经济效益方面，我们完全可以收集数据，很多老师都是双语教学，不需要单独聘用教授，教室齐备，需要多投入的是网站，配套的资料提供，不是有在project design以提供英文网站为题目的吗，把那个报告拿来修改修改作为可行性证明，其他的一些都可以慢慢来，学生有良好的愿望并愿意配合学校的努力，学校也应该有足够的信心和支持。一方面是为了满足学生，另一方面也是学校发展的机会。

不是学校不可以保留自己传统，坚持自己的风格和特色，但是要看SWOT分析吧，发展自己的优势，抓住机会。不能只注重小个体，不看个体和环境的配备。不能只comfort自己，也要critical审视自己。不能注重短期的和谐，不看长远发展和生存。