[闲聊]中国人与外国人在思想境界上的区别

[yoshida]

其实

不怕贫穷落后，怕的是宝马外加杨滥无真。

:blowzy:

 

[itflyer]

最初由 Sawol 发布

爱国爱国，就怕回了国后无处去爱。

其实是非常精辟的大实话！

 

[dolphinn]

最初由 狐狸哟 发布
其实这种问题,无论如何有provocative,

最好还是别讨论.

中国人心平气和讨论实际问题的没几个!大多都是一上来就是骂人.就算是认真要讨论问题的人,也可能会带几个,什么SB呀,操一类的话.

目前为止这个话题的别的帖子没看见有这词儿，你还真是第一个

 

[爱喝牛奶的wawdj]

最初由 狐狸哟 发布
其实这种问题,无论如何有provocative,

最好还是别讨论.

中国人心平气和讨论实际问题的没几个!大多都是一上来就是骂人.就算是认真要讨论问题的人,也可能会带几个,什么SB呀,操一类的话.

市井意识~

= =

 

[爱喝牛奶的wawdj]

最初由 dolphinn 发布


目前为止这个话题的别的帖子没看见有这词儿，你还真是第一个

不过大多数地方到处都是漫骂~
叹气都没用了~
奇怪人们心里怎么扭曲到这种程度~

= =

 

[dolphinn]

Re: Re: Re: [闲聊]中国人与外国人在思想境界上的区别

最初由 rchland 发布


Oh, Really ? Can you elaberate ? I went back to Qingdao this winter, to my surprise, they still can't solve 2 most important quality of life issues in Winter:

Personally I don't think Qingdao is a big city, just as Ottawa.

And the feelings that Ottawa and Qingdao give me are pretty much
the same. I wasn't in Qingdao in winter though.

Anyway, I lived in North China for more than 20 years, and didn't
feel that those winters were tougher than in Ottawa.
I think people have their ways of live everywhere.

 

[爱喝牛奶的wawdj]

spirit~
和文化~

两者中国都不是很充裕~
说是5000年的文明都只是历史了~
现在人又是忙碌着找生活~买房买车的后现代唯物主义~

= =

 

[爱喝牛奶的wawdj]

对于环境~社会~责任~道德感的意识~
相较之下~
周围这样的意识很薄弱~
人和人之间也猜疑~

不是说某个人~
而是一种social trends...

= =

 

[爱喝牛奶的wawdj]

慢慢会好起来的~
只是如果所有人都没有意识到~
那么会过分的缓慢~

秩序化的社会~
相较之下是好事情~

没人喜欢生活在不安定的社会里~
工作,安全,医疗保障,公共环境.
和对生活的热爱~

是最需要的~~~

 

[dolphinn]

Re: Re: [闲聊]中国人与外国人在思想境界上的区别

最初由 ohisit 发布
"俄罗斯这样贫穷落后的国家"...居然还加了个即使...你真行,看了第一句就把你的话定性了,不过后来的话我还是忍着看完了.

我现在在读直博,至于留不留下来我还没想好,不过我会先申请移民,那样学费会便宜很多.首先应该把那个"千方百计"去掉,想留在加拿大还用的着千方百计么?随便是个人想留就留吧.其次说实话我不知道你接触的硕士博士都是什么人,这里跟美国不同,美国的在读硕士博士大部分是20出头的年轻人,而这里目前为止读master或者PHD的中国人大部分都是年龄很大了,30好几甚至40多的.对于年龄比较大的人,留下往往是更好的选择.现在国内找工作,如果没有背景年龄有大了的话是没有什么出路的,就算找到工作想出头机会也不多,国内现在找工作很多工作明确写35岁以上不要.虽然这个不绝对但是总的来说年龄大了回国冒的风险太大.而留在这里即使找个很一般的工作也能维持不错的生活条件,甚至没工作也能生活无忧. 但是,对于年纪比较轻的留学生就完全不是这样.我的同学有些今年master毕业已经回国了,很多也表示以后会回去.我自己也是希望跟这毕业后尽量找个工作做两年积累点经验然后回去,现在国内光一个洋文凭用处已不大,有海外工作经验的人会更吃的开些.如果我不能毕业立刻找到工作我就马上回国,对我或者我的同学们来说,回国的损失并不大,至于风险...其实我们并没失去什么,要说回国失去了些东西,但同时也得到很多.

说实话,虽然我来的时间不长,但是这里的生活条件跟北京比除了人的素质要明显好(这是不争的事实,面对缺点才能进步吧)外就是空气质量了,但是那边也有很多这边无法比拟的东西.总的来说,在物质生活已经几乎没有差距的今天(在我看来日常的物质生活Ottawa是比不上国内很多大城市的),回国对于我们来说已经不象10年甚至5年前那样难以抉择了.

最后,我希望如果你认识来自非洲贫穷国家的学生(要是真的贫穷,不要在找俄罗斯这种档次的"穷国",至少要跟中国差不多吧)问问他们毕业后是否留下来.至少我现在位置碰到的几个人的回答都是要留下来.

跟我的情况差不多，想法也差不多

 

[repsihw]

谈不上境界.个人好恶..只是我很讨厌在归于不归的问题上对中国的片面评价.问题任何国家都有,特别是政治,在哪个国家都是龌龊的.任何当权的在野党会想要真正民主吗? 不太可能,权力本身就是民主的对立面.不要被国王的新衣蒙蔽,中国也总是往好的方向发展的.

 

[bytes]

Re: 其实

最初由 yoshida 发布
不怕贫穷落后，怕的是宝马外加杨滥无真。

:blowzy:

 

[rchland]

Re: Re: Re: Re: [闲聊]中国人与外国人在思想境界上的区别

最初由 dolphinn 发布


Personally I don't think Qingdao is a big city, just as Ottawa.

And the feelings that Ottawa and Qingdao give me are pretty much
the same. I wasn't in Qingdao in winter though.

Anyway, I lived in North China for more than 20 years, and didn't
feel that those winters were tougher than in Ottawa.
I think people have their ways of live everywhere.

You have the Chinese mentality of equaling bigger place to better place, this is not true in North America.

That said, 95% of Chinese lived in cities/villages less developed than Qingdao, and my parents are in the top 2% in Qingdao.

Honestly tell me:

1. How often and how easy can you have shower in your "Northern China" winter ? Once week ?

2. How is your home heating ? Especially the month before November 15 and the month after March 1, when there is none ?

 

[dolphinn]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: [闲聊]中国人与外国人在思想境界上的区别

最初由 rchland 发布


You have the Chinese mentality of equaling bigger place to better place, this is not true in North America.

That said, 95% of Chinese lived in cities/villages less developed than Qingdao, and my parents are in the top 2% in Qingdao.

Honestly tell me:

1. How often and how easy can you have shower in your "Northern China" winter ? Once week ?

2. How is your home heating ? Especially the month before November 15 and the month after March 1, when there is none ?

Hey man, don't get me wrong. I didn't say that bigger place equals to
better place. I said Qingdao is not a big city. It doesn't hurt that
I still like it.

Ok, per your request, I honestly tell you, I had shower every day
when I was in China, winter and summer, cause I had it installed at
home. I even had more than once each day, cause I was an athlete for
several years. By the way I can also tell you we had indoor swimming
pool and warm water in winter twenty years ago.
And as far as I know, most people around me have shower at home too. Please note that I didn't say each people or most people all over
the country. If you can only have shower once a week when you were
in China, I have to say sorry for you.

Second, my home heating was not bad. May not be better than apartment
here in Ottawa, but definitely better than some houses here.
I admit that right before heating coming and after heating gone, it
was not that good. It is the same in Ottawa though. I also felt cold
in my apartment here before the heating came, especially this year.

Actually there is no point to argue about this details. I don't
want to argue with you. I wouldn't say that China has nothing that
should be improved. Actually I am glad to see she is improving.

You can tell your truth. I have mine. As I said, everybody has
their way of living. Just please don't explain my words in your way
and please don't get me wrong.

 

[dolphinn]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: [闲聊]中国人与外国人在思想境界上的区别

最初由 rchland 发布


You have the Chinese mentality of equaling bigger place to better place, this is not true in North America.

That said, 95% of Chinese lived in cities/villages less developed than Qingdao, and my parents are in the top 2% in Qingdao.

Honestly tell me:

1. How often and how easy can you have shower in your "Northern China" winter ? Once week ?

2. How is your home heating ? Especially the month before November 15 and the month after March 1, when there is none ?

奥，没看见你还问我how easy.很简单啊，我们家的热水器大概不到200人民币
吧，有点年头了，不记得了。不过挺好用的。两根管子，一个接自来水，一个
接煤气，拧开水龙头，点火，热水就出来了。延迟嘛还是有的，一两分钟，得先让冷水放放嘛。要说简陋，那我的承认，现在热水器品牌那么多，我们家
的也就是个很老的型号。
您别再问我哪儿买的就行了。