请支持"夫母移民加快速度"请愿, 签名递交众议院, 如果你爱你父母的话(ZT)

[oread]

Actually you misunderstood my arguments, perhaps you didn't take the time to read what I wrote, but I did read everything you wrote, and frankly I'd like to see more arguments rather than emotions.

For one, I'm not opposing the petition, in fact I'm in support of expediate the parental sponsorship processing, therefore there is no conflict of interest between you and I on this, remember that. However I do have a problem with one attitude: me me me me me.

In addition, you are (or at least the original poster) trying to get more people to sign that petition, correct? Then in fact you are trying to sell an idea in exchange of an action. The question is how: how would you sell that idea to a person who on the other hand has no take on any of these sponsorship issues? In fact, some may even consider that allowing your parent to come to Canada would actually hurt their interests. So how would you get them to support you?

Well my approach to such conflict would be:

1. Think in their shoes for a moment, find out what makes them uneasy, find out what their attention and interests are, in short, know my audience.

2. Think win-win, and if win-win is not possible, then consider the approach that is the least-damaging to them, therefore making it easier for them to accept my proposal. This process could take multiple iterations: with one interation focusing on one small part of the big issue.

3. Compromise, to as much as I could afford in order to achieve a balance. In this particular case, in order for my in-laws to come here more quickly, I'd be willing to sign a garantee to fully sponsor all their expenses for an x number of years after their arrival in Canada. Why? Because I understand the concerns of some Canadians that an aging parent could add further pressure on the already fragile social programs.

Frankly I think screaming bloody murder is not going to solve this problem. Temporarily perhaps, since this is a minority government and government does cave in due to overwhelming public pressure, but it's not an encouraging long-term solution.

Hey, I'll take your invitation to dine at your place, it's a deal then!

最初由 cupid 发布



我是家里唯一的小孩。所以父母能不能来加，和来加后能不能享受福利，
是我移民的先决条件。在出国之前，我和父母就这个问题谈过多次。
所以你上面的问题对我就不成立。如果没有free universal health care，
那我就不会来，更谈不上会不会sponsor我父母来。

渐渐，我的情况和你不同。我考虑自身利益的出发点和你也不同。
所以，你反驳我的论点时所用的论据本身我都认为不成立。
呵呵，哪天咱们有机会坐在一起吃饭，聊天的时候再细细商榷吧。

 

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最初由 GoldMonkey 发布
说实话, 真想让父母快一点来加拿大团聚, 可以办父母来探亲(visitor visa). 探亲签证很快, 如果不要体检, 一般头天递交, 第二天即可取得签证. 从开始办材料到见到父母, 快的话, 一两个月即可. 我的朋友们和父母团聚都很快.

办移民, 我想主要还是为了让父母能享用加拿大的免费医疗服务. 真要快点团聚, 可以办探亲.

Can someone comment on this? :blink:

 

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最初由 Xiaomimi 发布


Have you thought about another option: going back to China ?

That way you can still taking care of your parents and not worry about the immigration issues.

这个，我想很多国内有老人的，老人一时半会来不了得都有心理准备。

 

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最初由 渐渐 发布
The rule for parental sponsorship has been changed since June 24, 2003. I just can't find anything on the official CIC website to substantiate this, but I'll keep looking.

The matter of the fact is: the government of Canada is constantly in search to revise its immigration policy in order to suit the changing need of our society. What was working then could very well be a problem today. This has become increasingly clear as our population ages (note that this is NOT a Chinese problem).

All I'm asking is to "think win-win". While this sounds pretty much like a cliche, it's actually a more proactive and, in my humble opinion, a much more responsible way to actually improve the current situation of long delays. Don't just scream "bloody murder", an aging population is going to be a problem that all of us would have to face in the short future. Would you like to see a completely depleted system by the time you turn 60? What about your children? If not, then we'll probably need to start doing something today.

嗯，多新鲜啊，加拿大现在缺脱衣舞女，她们多来几个，多留几个，加拿大的老龄化就解决了

 

[toastman]

看了这个话题这样热闹,也来说两句.
或许再有一个OPTION让政府考虑: 公民的父母优先于移民的父母.好象美国就是这样.
欢迎拍砖!

 

[oread]

Web poll from The Globe, and this is from the supposedly "immigrant-friendly" Liberal newspaper. Imagine what the "anti-immigrant" Conservatives think. :blink:

It's an uphill battle.

 

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最初由 渐渐 发布
Web poll from The Globe, and this is from the supposedly "immigrant-friendly" Liberal newspaper. Imagine what the "anti-immigrant" Conservatives think. :blink:

It's an uphill battle.

这是针对整个要不要移民来的吧，这会儿提出加拿大的人口老龄化问题很合适 他们老了得有人养哈。

 

[oread]

Obviously the majority of people in this poll don't believe so: the costs of immigration outweigh its benefits.

You've looked at this the wrong way: there is no "me" and "them", there is only "us". You are going to get old, and your children are going to get old someday, who's going to support you and your children then? Where would the funding come from then?

Hey, let's face the unevitable: an aging population. I'm willing to make some compromises, what about you? Are you prepared to actually DO something to improve the current situation? Screaming bloody murder because you are entitled to? :smokin:

最初由 丫丫 发布
这是针对整个要不要移民来的吧，这会儿提出加拿大的人口老龄化问题很合适 他们老了得有人养哈。

 

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最初由 渐渐 发布
Obviously the majority of people in this poll don't believe so: the costs of immigration outweigh its benefits.

You've looked at this the wrong way: there is no "me" and "them", there is only "us". You are going to get old, and your children are going to get old someday, who's going to support you and your children then? Where would the funding come from then?

Hey, let's face the unevitable: an aging population. I'm willing to make some compromises, what about you? Are you prepared to actually DO something to improve the current situation? Screaming bloody murder because you are entitled to? :smokin:

怎么又绕回去了？
唉，都来加拿大哈，移民既然来了就把你老子都忘了哈，随咱加拿大的文化，不跟老人一起生活，那什么多元文化是逗！你玩(注意，此处是‘弯儿’音)…
怎么样，这下咱们纳税人们可以不分你我他，都‘咱们’了？ :blink:

 

[oread]

Do you understand what the issue is at hand? :blink: Suggest you to read the whole topic first, then provide your comments. I'm trying my best to stay on topic and be reasonable here, and I urge you to do likewise.

This has NOTHING to do with whether we should or should not support our parents, it's really not a choice, period. This is a cheap blow below the belt, you know.

最初由 丫丫 发布

怎么又绕回去了？
唉，都来加拿大哈，移民既然来了就把你老子都忘了哈，随咱加拿大的文化，不跟老人一起生活，那什么多元文化是逗！你玩(注意，此处是‘弯儿’音)…
怎么样，这下咱们纳税人们可以不分你我他，都‘咱们’了？ :blink: