精华 请教渐渐和各位: 地下室墙上的裂缝

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I didn't realize that was a tough question. :)

OK, here comes my next question: what does it mean to me, a regular homeowner? Explain it to me as I'm a 6 years old. For instance, I have a small crack that goes from the basement floor all the way to the window side of the wall, about 1m from the floor, in what you described "longitudinal direction". OK, so if it's indeed caused by thermal load (??) or contraction, what does it mean to me? Is it a serious crack or can I simply forget about it?
 
最初由 渐渐 发布
I didn't realize that was a tough question. :)

OK, here comes my next question: what does it mean to me, a regular homeowner? Explain it to me as I'm a 6 years old. For instance, I have a small crack that goes from the basement floor all the way to the window side of the wall, about 1m from the floor, in what you described "longitudinal direction". OK, so if it's indeed caused by thermal load (??) or contraction, what does it mean to me? Is it a serious crack or can I simply forget about it?

Okay let me try. First I'd like to know more details: how old is the house? when did you find the crack? in year 1? Is it stable now? I mean, stop growing? How wide is it? just a hair crack, or several millimeters?

I assume your house are 6 yrs, too:). it's the same age as my house. Mine has some cracks in the basement as well but they're all from the first year, when the concrete was hardening and the subsoil was settling. It could be caused by both the settlement and the contract of the concrete because the crack starts from the slab and extended to the wall ... sorry, teh words after "because" are always boring:).

Contraction of contract is normal. Most of it happens in the first month of pouring so. The hardening of concract contributes the most part of the so called "themal load" so it will be over in the first month as well. It means cracks caused by contraction will become stable in the first few months following the construction.

about the uneven settlement, don't worry if it is small and stablized soon. Normally it will become stable in a year (depends on soil condition, I assume you're in Kanata -- not Hunt Club South), after that period there'd be no more significant settlement. Any cracks occured in that period would become stable.

If you didn't find any leaking in another year, I suggest you fill the crack with cement and do whatever you want (stain the slab, put on driwall, etc.) to your basement. In my case, the cracks were filled with some kind of filling from HD, and they've never opened again in last 5 years.

Again, small, stable cracks in old houses are not a big issue. You may want to 1) maintain a positive grading, 2) downspout discharging should be at least 2m away from the house, and 3) watch any modification in landscaping (filling or excavation, because it may change the lateral earth pressure). 1) and 2) is to prevent water damage, and 3) is to avoid structural damage.

Are there any more tough questions waiting in the stack? I'm scared...:)
 
最初由 基础墙 发布


...(depends on soil condition, I assume you're in Kanata -- not Hunt Club South)...


So for Hunt Club South, you know what I mean...do you think the builder's current solution would fix the sinking problem?
 
最初由 小傻 发布


So for Hunt Club South, you know what I mean...do you think the builder's current solution would fix the sinking problem?

真不好意思,我没有跟踪后来的消息,只是几年前听住在那里的朋友说地基有问题。能告诉我builder's corrent solution是什么吗?很想知道。先谢过了!
 
I will qqh you what's builder's solution...Richcraft, maybe Claridge as well, get sued..but Tarion is on builder' side this time....

Ask you a technical question, I am always eager to know this...

What's the difference between 'floating foundation' and 'piled foundation'...

Apart Kanata, most Ottawa's houses built on clay and clay is sensitive to underground water level...anyway, looks to me, for clay, piled foundation is better than floating foundation...but why builder still use floating foundation in this area? the only answer I can guess is the cost..floating foundation is much cheaper than piled foundation?
 
最初由 基础墙 发布


真不好意思,我没有跟踪后来的消息,只是几年前听住在那里的朋友说地基有问题。能告诉我builder's corrent solution是什么吗?很想知道。先谢过了!


What I heard is one of the cause is the Garage side of the house is much more heavier than the rear side os the house especially when the clay suck lots of water, so the front of the house sinks and some foundation crack in the middle, so their solution is pumping some materials into the underneath of the garage ground to increase the upward pressure of the garage side to "prevent" the foundation from "broken".

But Not confirmed!
 
最初由 小傻 发布
I will qqh you what's builder's solution...Richcraft, maybe Claridge as well, get sued..but Tarion is on builder' side this time....

Ask you a technical question, I am always eager to know this...

What's the difference between 'floating foundation' and 'piled foundation'...

Apart Kanata, most Ottawa's houses built on clay and clay is sensitive to underground water level...anyway, looks to me, for clay, piled foundation is better than floating foundation...but why builder still use floating foundation in this area? the only answer I can guess is the cost..floating foundation is much cheaper than piled foundation?

桩的造价自然是高。按渥太华的土质,一栋三千尺的房子若用桩基础,怕是得埋四、五万块钱在地下。这些钱要是花在装修上,能做不少东西呢。另外,桩有桩的毛病。特别是大面积打桩,对地下管道、挡土结构等等都有影响。八十年代初日本人在宝钢到处打桩,结果麻烦不断。上学的时候,老师专门带我们去宝钢转了一天,拿它当反面教材。据他说很难得有一个工地能见到那么多失败的实例。

若土的承载力足够,地下水位又不是太高,浅基础是最省钱的。因为渥太华的房子有个基础埋深大于一米五的要求,基础墙正好做地下室的外墙,没什么浪费。它的问题是沉降。均匀沉降无所谓,我在云南曾见过一栋五层的居民楼,沉了半米,房子还是好好的,只是原来一层门口的台阶由四步变成了两步。不均匀沉降对房子会有损害。咱们住的都是木结构房子,对不均匀沉降不敏感。所以,用浅基础该算是一个最优的选择。

浅基础有些规矩,第一是土的承载力要够,土质要均匀(要是碰到回填土,比如古井古墓什么的,得单独处理);第二是基础要坐在未被扰动的老土上,基坑不能被水泡过(浸水也是一种扰动),第三是基础底面要在冻深以下。其他细节还有一些,但只要能做足上面三点,应该不会出大毛病。要是你的房子刚开始盖,可以常去看看,看基坑是不是做得规矩。
 
cracks

I have cracks on my basement wall as well. But It never has any leakage so far. My inspector told me not to worry if it does not leak When I bought my house. He also told me some methods which it is very effective to provent the leakage if there cracks.
 
最初由 ottawa248 发布
水泥地面的裂缝是小问题. 墙上的裂缝如果不漏水也不要紧. 即使漏水, 修理费也不高. 按裂缝的大小和位置, 大致有三种修理方法

1. 用 MORTAR CAULKING
2. 用水泥
3. 压注树脂

前两种对付地面的裂缝足够, 如果是 墙上的裂缝而且漏水, 就要用第三种方法 . 以前看专业的公司的人做过, 先从内侧打数个斜孔, 然后通过斜孔往裂缝打一种树脂类的东西. 一条3M的缝大约2 小时修好. 树脂有黏性和伸缩性, 效果非常好. 价钱大约是几百块, 记不的了.

如果是买房, 应该听听INSPECTOR的意见. 自己也找专业公司询问一下修理费. 通常裂缝不是放弃购买的理由. 但可以要求房主把裂缝修好, 或要个DISCOUNT.

Not only these three methods. The so called very experienced inspector whom my realtor introduced to me told me a method that sounds easy and cheap. But I asked several professional contractors about the crack on my house basement wall. None of them says that is a possible solution. The fix will cost me $1000.
 
最初由 基础墙 发布


...
浅基础有些规矩,第一是土的承载力要够,土质要均匀(要是碰到回填土,比如古井古墓什么的,得单独处理);第二是基础要坐在未被扰动的老土上,基坑不能被水泡过(浸水也是一种扰动)...。

The problem is, how to measure 土的承载力... I think that will be hard...
 
最初由 cedar 发布


Not only these three methods. The so called very experienced inspector whom my realtor introduced to me told me a method that sounds easy and cheap. But I asked several professional contractors about the crack on my house basement wall. None of them says that is a possible solution. The fix will cost me $1000.

说起地下室漏水,手头正好有几句老生常谈,两个月前给朋友发的。改改贴在这儿,算块砖头吧。

地下室的外墙渗水,那水准是从外面来的:)。要是想解决问题,最好从外面入手。

咱们的房子都是建在地下水位以上的,设计的时候就没考虑让它泡在水里。为了保证房子的基础不被水泡,基础墙的外面包了一层透水材料把水引到下面,透水层里面是防潮层,把水汽挡在地下室外面,基础外侧还有一圈排水管。房子周围的地面是向外倾斜的,以避免积水。通常,从地表渗下去的水会很快地流进下水道,不会积在墙外。

若漏水,一个可能是基础墙开裂,外面的防潮层也被撕裂了,外面透水层流过的水从裂缝钻进来。这时候应该从外面挖开,把裂的地方补好。若只从里面补,虽便宜些,可外面的防潮层还是没有补上,潮气会侵入混凝土墙。另,压注环氧补漏是个挺有讲究的活儿,要是补得不好,过一阵还会漏。

还有一个可能是水积在外面不能及时排走。如前面所说,基础墙不是按防水来设计的,不管有没有可见的裂缝,只要泡的时间长稍点儿,水准能渗进来。去年下暴雨的时候,不少房子都漏水或泛潮,就是因为水来不及排走。

为了避免积水,应该注意三件事:一是GRADING,房周围两米的地面应该是向外倾斜的,坡度应该大于1/12,就是说从墙根向外量六?,每?最少要低下去一?。二是DOWNSPOUT DISCHARGE别离墙太近。可以再接上一根管子,把它引开。三是别把树种得里房子太近,因为树根会影响基础外侧的排水管。那根排水管是塑料做的,须根钻进去会堵住管子,粗些的根还会把管子挤坏。
 
最初由 小傻 发布


The problem is, how to measure 土的承载力... I think that will be hard...

在规范里面,确定承载力有一套规矩,通常可以查表,必要的时候得做试验。

那个官司,我觉得要是控方的律师厉害,说不定真能赢--那么多出了事的房子在那儿摆着,挺好的证据:)

想起在国内,刚毕业一多年的时候,一个弟兄被拉去做事故鉴定。真惨,白天开会跟人吵架,晚上回到宿舍还念叨他的案子,哥儿几个七嘴八舌地给他出主意。可到了最后,决定输赢的还不是技术责任的确定,而是怎么样让各方都过得去。

在这儿,最后怕也是得这么解决吧?
 
最初由 基础墙 发布


...

那个官司,我觉得要是控方的律师厉害,说不定真能赢--那么多出了事的房子在那儿摆着,挺好的证据:)

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We need Erin Brockovich :)
 
Did you mean 1 inch slope for every 6 ft?


最初由 基础墙 发布
为了避免积水,应该注意三件事:一是GRADING,房周围两米的地面应该是向外倾斜的,坡度应该大于1/12,就是说从墙根向外量六?,每?最少要低下去一?。
 

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