EOS 5D真的来了！
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Xterra: just for your info., from metering perspective, D2x is not the best in Nikon's offering. D70 has 1% spot meter. As to why 1% is so important in landscape, I will leave this to other expert such as startrack.
3fps is probably more than sufficient for amatures like us but definitely not for professinal sports shooter -- you do agree that the camera targetted at pros ?
As to your argument about soft corner in landscape is ok, I strongly disagree. Landscape photo is not about one "main object", it about the whole picture. Sure you may need a focal point but you also need surrounding subjects.
And better WA does not necessarily mean bigger and heavier just look at some of the CZ/Leica offering. And comparing to my 100-400L, I don't care it get a bit heavier.
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I believe the next one is the high speed, full frame one replacing 1D series.
At the lower end, I don't think full frame will be possible soon. Cause the cost
of full frame is just impossible under 1000USD.
See the area of 10D/20D/350D is less than half of full frame. I believe the material
cost of full frame sensor is more than doubled than 1.6X sensors.
Anyway, leave it to Canon.
Under 3000USD to 2500USD, 5D will be on most of us' shopping list, I believe. I'll wait
to see more of the reviews and customer reviews.
At the lower end, I don't think full frame will be possible soon. Cause the cost
of full frame is just impossible under 1000USD.
See the area of 10D/20D/350D is less than half of full frame. I believe the material
cost of full frame sensor is more than doubled than 1.6X sensors.
Anyway, leave it to Canon.
Under 3000USD to 2500USD, 5D will be on most of us' shopping list, I believe. I'll wait
to see more of the reviews and customer reviews.
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Xterra: just for your info., from metering perspective, D2x is not the best in Nikon's offering. D70 has 1% spot meter. As to why 1% is so important in landscape, I will leave this to other expert such as startrack.
3fps is probably more than sufficient for amatures like us but definitely not for professinal sports shooter -- you do agree that the camera targetted at pros ?
As to your argument about soft corner in landscape is ok, I strongly disagree. Landscape photo is not about one "main object", it about the whole picture. Sure you may need a focal point but you also need surrounding subjects.
And better WA does not necessarily mean bigger and heavier just look at some of the CZ/Leica offering. And comparing to my 100-400L, I don't care it get a bit heavier.
To be perfect honest, I have been very patient on this discussion. All I can suggest here is to take a look at those amazing photos at dpchallenge.com and other sites, which are taken with 300, 350, 10, 20Ds, even those who uses point and shot cameras! And compare those to your own.
As for Leica/CZ, it has become a mystery. And I found only some Chinese amatures were keen to it. Believing and telling others Leica/CZ are perfect is rather a misleading. Bad to everyone. not only yourself, but also other novices. May you stop, please?! If you want to buy them, go right ahead. not one will pull your legs. and please stop misleading others.
Let me make my point clear: live with your gear, make the most out of it. enjoy the creativity part of photography, not complaining!
you are right. I read an article somewhere on the net. It says at current Canon production rate. Canon still struggles to meet the demand of 1Ds MKII. It also mentioned that with the material for making each qualified FF sensor, Canon makes 4 qualified 1.6x sensors, believe or not!
But I can see the FF camera is coming to prosumer level very soon. If you realize that 5D contains less pixels than 1Ds, although they're all FF. And I believe Canon has worked (or is working) out the production rates for the new 12MP FF CMOS, Which will allow them in a couple of years, push down the FF sensors to prosumer level. But then again, this is only technically possible. If Nikon does not come up with an acceptable FF camera soon. Canon may be more than happy to keep the way it is. Since they have been very well ahead of all others. (All Nikon lineups are still suffering the high noise volume at high ISO levels at present)
This is my last reply to this thread as I need to make a few points clear:
1. I never said you can't take wonderful photos with 1.6x or even point and shoot camera. I know very well the photo is not about equipment and I also know what level I'm at. As I mentioned earlier, I have no intention to upgrade at this stage as I think I haven't fully utulized the potential of 10D. This is however not what we are discussing. Don't put words into my mouth.
2. I don't want to mislead others about the Leica lens. You choose to believe whatever you want and I could not care less. And no, I don't have intention to buy any of these as I can't afford it. I just want people realize that don't expect wonders when they upgrade to 5D or whatever FF.
3. "As for Leica/CZ, it has become a mystery. And I found only some Chinese amatures were keen to it." Don't know what you are talking about. I read all these on here:
http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/board/2
And no they are neither Chinese nor for amature only.
BTW, strongly suggest that you visit some other web site besides dpchallenge.com ...
Enough said.
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Henrys has already started the pre-order. So Fast!!!!!!
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No, I am switching to film~~~~
DSLR is just for PLMM ~~~~
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I don't think full-frame will be at prosumer level in 10 years as long as Canon has an effective noise reduction algorithm. They can pack three or more megapixels into a die of same size without losing noise performance (using die shinking, SOI, etc.). That's why they develop EF-S lens for 1.6x DSLR. The production rate for 1.6x CMOS sensors is around 60%, so it's a sure money-making business.
However, for full-frame CMOS sensors it's another story. The production rate of full-frame CMOS sensors is around 20%. By definition, prosumer level cameras should be right below USD$1000. This production rate does not even match the profit margin they require.
So full-frame for prosumer? It's still too far.
However, for full-frame CMOS sensors it's another story. The production rate of full-frame CMOS sensors is around 20%. By definition, prosumer level cameras should be right below USD$1000. This production rate does not even match the profit margin they require.
So full-frame for prosumer? It's still too far.
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Xterra:
let me tell you something:
To be perfectly honest, I have been very patient on this discussion, especially those agressive words from you. Do not try to tell any one to do anything or not do anything, Here just a forum, let's keep it in good way, If you want to keep screwwing around here, personaly, I donot like you.and afterwards, lots people will be leaving from this forum, honestly, I am about to, just because here I still have some good friends...; let's take a look what you contirbuted to these forum, nothing, just fighting.
Can you stop doing this, dude?
let me tell you something:
To be perfectly honest, I have been very patient on this discussion, especially those agressive words from you. Do not try to tell any one to do anything or not do anything, Here just a forum, let's keep it in good way, If you want to keep screwwing around here, personaly, I donot like you.and afterwards, lots people will be leaving from this forum, honestly, I am about to, just because here I still have some good friends...; let's take a look what you contirbuted to these forum, nothing, just fighting.
Can you stop doing this, dude?
