从哈市停水公共危机讲中国文化的良知观

最初由 mamaomao 发布


我们CFC论坛上的多位人士多次引用这个图片,很说明问题。
这个图片是哈尔滨政府的第25号公告,公告中提到因管道检修而全市停水。
可是,在这个25号公告发布几个小时后,哈市政府马上又发布了第26号公告,明确说明松花江上游污染因而停水。

为什么连续有这两个公告呢?
这就是“责任”两个字在起作用,迫使哈市政府马上自己的问题。

高级官员对于灾难性事件公然对人民说谎,隐瞒灾难事件事情, 危害人民健康, 虽然由于种种原因说了事情, 但还是应该负责任的.

张省长是公仆吧, 公仆对主人说谎. 举一个刚才转的文章的例子, 厨房着火, 仆人隐瞒事情, 不告诉主人, 等到5个小时后, 才说出来. 这样的仆人, 哪个主人还敢留在家里?

不过呢, 现在谁进门当仆人, 主人说了不算, 有一个仆人委员会以主人的名义统一安排, 所以这样的仆人越来越多, 也当得心安理得, 只要委员会满意, 主人算老几?
 
最初由 mamaomao 发布


我以前也善意地提出过,请不要在“阅读方面发生困难”。

你不明白我写的“什么叫政府,你可以说现在的政府说谎的,但是不要忘记他主要还是担负责任的”
没关系,但是请你记住中间的两个字也就够了,哪两个字:
责任。

公仆们这次在众人眼皮底下把屎拉在裤子里面了,
只有你还在叫"拉在里面是负责的"!
 
最初由 -我本善良- 发布


公仆们这次在众人眼皮底下把屎拉在裤子里面了,
只有你还在叫"拉在里面是负责的"!
应该这样讲"公仆先把屎拉出来一点,看看大家闻出来了吗,如果没人闻出来,就接着拉,如果别人闻出来了,马上就宣布不好意事,屎拉出来了,不过好的地方是只拉在裤子里了而且没全拉出来"
 
最初由 -我本善良- 发布


公仆们这次在众人眼皮底下把屎拉在裤子里面了,
只有你还在叫"拉在里面是负责的"!

上次张前卫生部长在"负责任得说: 北京没有SARS"时,不知道maomaomao在干什么?
 
最初由 洲际 发布


上次张前卫生部长在"负责任得说: 北京没有SARS"时,不知道maomaomao在干什么?
再合唱+回声"没有没有,北京北京,没有没有SARS SARS AH AH AH"
 
最初由 做好人干好事 发布

再合唱+回声"没有没有,北京北京,没有没有SARS SARS AH AH AH"

顶.
 
to: maomaomao
责任??承担得了吗?在它们肯承担并公布事实之前,毒水早已流了上百公里,沿途的小村庄如果取水早中毒了!这时候你来个善意的谎言吧,承担降2级工资责任,老百姓已经死翘翘!
 
最初由 雪连天 发布
to: maomaomao
责任??承担得了吗?在它们肯承担并公布事实之前,毒水早已流了上百公里,沿途的小村庄如果取水早中毒了!这时候你来个善意的谎言吧,承担降2级工资责任,老百姓已经死翘翘!

总理又视察了, 人民又感谢党和政府了.

"杜继亮的大女儿说,“我们的生活井井有条,社会秩序也很好。谢谢党和政府,把群众放在心里。”"
 
"从哈市停水公共危机讲中国文化的良知观
我的这篇文章在网上发布之后,好象“捅了马蜂窝”。很多批评意见集中在“有人造谣,但政府是在说谎”方面,质问道你为什么要为这样的政府说好话作辩护?
"

Based on the title and the content of the article it's obvious that this article is intended to respond to my previous comment. I think the author knew very well that my comment and the differences between us are not about the content of WHAT he wrote, but about HOW he wrote. What I don't quite understand is why he is trying to purposely mislead people/readers into thinking that my comment and the difference between us are only about the content of WHAT he wrote as he put it "很多批评意见集中在“有人造谣,但政府是在说谎”方面"? Let me repeat here once for all. The reason for me to write the comment had nothing to do with the contents of your articles, but had everything to do with how you wrote it. Let me tell you the truth: I did not even read any of your long articles. It's not because that your articles are of poor quality, it's simply because it's too long, way exceeds the short span of my yokel brain concentration. Over the years I have seen hundreds if not thousands of people online defending Chinese government, attacking whoever dare to critisize it. Many of them are much more passionate than you, others are milder. I did not bother to post a single word. Let me put it another way, if you write 10 research theses to defend Adof Hitler, You will not see me posting a single word to respond. What makes you unique when comparing you with the rest? When I scrolled down the page where your long articles and others' posts are, there were three things that caught my eyes which are:

1. the tremendous effort that you have put into your articles
2. the archiving of other's words and your amazing trade mark "立此存照"
3. the tone in a few of your lines

As you can see again none of them is about the contents of what you wrote. I'll try to explain.

To save reader's time, I'll skip the first one because it was already covered in my previous comment. About the second point which is archiving words of those who do not share your views, we all know that some departments of Chinese government have been monitoring and archieving sites like this including chatrooms, people's daily emails, land line phone and cell phone conversations all over the world. You really don't need to archieve yourself. Even if you decide to do so, you could have done so quietly or unnoticeably. But you chose not only to do it openly, but also to accounce it publicly on the Internet to the world. I (and probably many others in this forum) have been still waiting for you to give an explanation on why you chose to do that? About the third point, I noticed a few lines in your articles are... How to describe... Please forgive my poor English... some of them are 杀机四伏, some are 杀气腾腾... (any English major experts please help here, how to translate these to English, "intimidate" is just too general, won't depict the 杀机,杀气...:)) That's why I wanted to say a few words. It shows again my previous comment had nothing to with the content of what you wrote, but had everything to do with how you wrote.

"我这人爱认死理爱找证据相互进行对比,多看一看并加以对比后,有些现象看不下去了,于是就有感而发了。"

你有感而发想咋发咋发,跳着发,躺着发,打着滚的发都没事儿。你就是无感而发也没事儿。可你老是“立此存照"干哈吗?你看你,这东拉西扯的又是一大锅,咋就是一字不提你那“立此存照"?俺撇下地里活专门来瞅瞅你这大锅就是担心你那“立此存照"。俺们庄户人胆儿小,好歹给俺们解释解释干哈老是要“立此存照"。闹得俺晚上睡觉听见耗子拉屎都吓得出冷汗。

"与此同时,也有另一种”理性的批评“,即为什么能冒出来”我这么一种人“在”为中共说话“呢?原因何在,这位网友写道:
”Sometimes seeing guys like mamaomao make me sad, and also make me wonder what exectly in modern Chinese culture made them who they are? I'm not blaming them here. On the contrary I think in most part it's not their fault“
"

Another intereting thing shows up here. I noticed that one of the names 234567 was quietly erased from my paragraph that he quoted above. I wonder why he's doing that? What purpose does that serve? I know you have been archiving or saving people's words. Do you also erase, cut or change their words when archiving them? Maybe it's okay in your profession to erase, cut, change or twist other's words when you quote, archive them. But in the west it is considered very inethical. Let's see why he's doing it? Are you mamaomao and 234567 the same person? so you don't want poeple to know that? Is 234567 your close frinds? or your collegue? or your contact that you don't what people to see you two are being together in public?...:) Or he's someone you admire and you are too ashamed of yourself so don't want to embarrase him? Or you think you are so smart that you can erase, cut, change or twist peoples words without being noticed, and manipulate people's mind, and intimidate people, doing all these things at the same time, so you don't want such a smart mamaomao being associated with 234567 who curses a lot? Please try not do it again, people in the west consider behavior like that is a charactor issue.

"比如我这个人,青年以前都是在中华人民共和国长大的,受的是标准的16年的”党的教育“。试想,在这种文化背景下,"我这种人"为中共说话甚至唱赞歌也就不奇怪了。"

Hey, slow down here, don't be so fast... I think I have recieved longer "党的教育" than you,and my upbring is probably more orthodox than yours. I believe there are people more so than me. With that in mind, let's see the behavior differences. There are things you don't seem to have problem saying, doing and thinking about, but others will have difficulty even seeing themselves saying, doing and thinking about like you. Do you really think people here will believe that it was the "党的教育" that has caused you did what you did? 党啥时候教育你别人一有不同意见,就立马儿掏个小本记下,再举个大牌儿“立此存照"直嚷嚷?...:)

"其中一位网友对此文的批评,是从文化角度展开的,即从中国文化这个大染缸的角度来审视海外华人所言所行。因此,才有我上面的对中国文化的一点理解感受。"

There are several interesting points I have noticed in his latest article. One is that my original phrase is "modem Chinese culture", not a general term "Chinese culture". There IS a big difference between the two, and that's why I specifically chose the phrase "modern Chinese culture" After the smarty pants' "faithful translation" it became "中国文化这个大染缸", and the title of his new article became "从哈市停水公共危机讲中国文化的良知观". Nice, right?...:) What's happening here is a 50-year long problem is now quietly switched to or replaced with a 5000-year long "problem". If it's a 5000-year "problem", nobody is clean, and everybody is at fault, therefore nobody is at fault. What a sneaky guy...:)

"不过,也希望这位网友和类似批评者,思考一下自身:大家同来自中国文化这个大染缸,我们中间的很多人,怀着真诚希望能摆脱它的影响,大家可以自问一下能漂洗掉几分?"

This guy is now trying to blame Chinese culture for his unique behavior.

First of all I don't think "中国文化" is a "大染缸". The traditional Chinese culture is way better than the modern Chinese culture which is at best only a currupted and a very limited version of the traditional Chinese culture. Secondly, I think there are so many treasures in the traditional Chinese culture. Thirdly, I don't know HOW MANY people there are, as you said, "真诚希望能摆脱它的影响"? And HOW MUCH they "真诚希望能摆脱它的影响"? And to what extent? I know I don't. Quite opposite to "真诚希望能摆脱它的影响" I wish I had wasted much less time when I was a kid, so I would have had more time to learn more about Chinese culture.

如果中国文化真是象你所说的那样,又如何解释自古以来中国文化产生了那么多国学大师?他们往往是人品正直,心胸博大,同时又是谦谦君子。Look at now, how many people are like that?

If you really think your unique behavior is caused by the traditional Chinese culture, then tell us which one of your acts listed above can be traced back to a particular part of the traditional Chinese culture? And why so many other Chinese who have been influenced by Chinese culture much more than you do did not and will not do what you did?

Another interesting thing I noticed in this article compared to his previous long articles is this one has a bit less 杀气,a bit less 杀机, a bit less 凶气,a bit less 横气,but more 机关...lol

不由自主地想起了村里老辈人常说的话,"做人啊,还是老实点好..."
 
最初由 mamaomao 发布


我只是想问,在CFC论坛,如“做好人做好事”和“我本善良”“ 洲际”也前前后后发布了不少真真假假的消息,我希望有一天,“洲际”或“我本善良”主动说,我早先的发布的某个消息是错误的。或者干脆找个替罪羊,说我们没什么错,都是“做好人做好事”干的“好事”。
哈哈,顶~
 
最初由 mamaomao 发布
写得不错。不过提个建议,请不要中英夹白。不仅我,我想大部分CFC的网友看得都累。

我受了中共16年教育,你说比我受得时间还长,那么说明中文水平也不话下了,所以在中文网上用中文的好。我每周工作时间内被迫看不少专业英文,头都大了,工作之余我是死活不看英语文章的。再说我接受的中共教育中没怎么教育我要好好学习英文,所以至今我还为我那英语水平发愁。
因此,麻烦重新用中文写一下的好。这样,也便于其它网友响应你的观点,支持你的观点。

我也喜欢有人能这么认真地与我辩论。你比哪几个只会一唱一和,会说几句俏皮话的水平强多了。欢迎用中文讨论。
"那么说明中文水平也不话下了"

"也不在话下了"?俺可没你那么自信。也没你那么高水平。俺啥文也不行。奥,对了,养俩儿猪还过得去。

"再说我接受的中共教育中没怎么教育我要好好学习英文"

瞧这小嘴多巧... 有些个事党也没教你,你咋心有灵犀,不教自会干得欢?不过这话也得说回来,没准党背地里偷偷给爱徒单传,俺们外人就不知道了。

"我也喜欢有人能这么认真地与我辩论"

认真谈不上。俺连你那些旁引博征,论中道西的论文都没拜读,实在愧称认真。不过有点好奇,好些年了没见象你这样爱耍小聪明的...:)

辩论不敢当,俺也没那本事。俺只是提俩儿问题请教请教。

It's not that I don't want to use Chinese to communicate. It's the following reasons that I need to use English:

1. I don't use Chinese operating system for various reasons such as stability, compatibility etc. I use English operating system with Chinese Star. Even so the combination still causes my system stability and compatibility problems. The reason that this time I added some Chinese is of course due to my poor English. At the time when I used Chinses Star writing some Chinese charactors I had to shut down all other applications and prayed it would not crash on me. So it's really not very convenient for me to write in Chinese.

2. Another embarrassing reason is that I'm lousy typing Chinese charactors, extremely slow. There you have it...:)

Sorry for those who wish to see more Chinese.

Wish I could do better...
 
Re: Re: 从哈市停水公共危机讲中国文化的良知观

最初由 yokel 发布

"那么说明中文水平也不话下了"

"也不在话下了"?俺可没你那么自信。也没你那么高水平。俺啥文也不行。奥,对了,养俩儿猪还过得去。

"再说我接受的中共教育中没怎么教育我要好好学习英文"

瞧这小嘴多巧... 有些个事党也没教你,你咋心有灵犀,不教自会干得欢?不过这话也得说回来,没准党背地里偷偷给爱徒单传,俺们外人就不知道了。

"我也喜欢有人能这么认真地与我辩论"

认真谈不上。俺连你那些旁引博征,论中道西的论文都没拜读,实在愧称认真。不过有点好奇,好些年了没见象你这样爱耍小聪明的...:)

辩论不敢当,俺也没那本事。俺只是提俩儿问题请教请教。

It's not that I don't want to use Chinese to communicate. It's the following reasons that I need to use English:

1. I don't use Chinese operating system for various reasons such as stability, compatibility etc. I use English operating system with Chinese Star. Even so the combination still causes my system stability and compatibility problems. The reason that this time I added some Chinese is of course due to my poor English. At the time when I used Chinses Star writing some Chinese charactors I had to shut down all other applications and prayed it would not crash on me. So it's really not very convenient for me to write in Chinese.

2. Another embarrassing reason is that I'm lousy typing Chinese charactors, extremely slow. There you have it...:)

Sorry for those who wish to see more Chinese.

Wish I could do better...


我不得不再说一次,写得好。我在这里为你的上文总结一下:

1.mamaomao的小嘴多巧,不是心有灵犀,就是党另有“单传”
2.好些年了没见象mamaomao这样爱耍小聪明的人了

提到点子上了,我需要回去反省一下,怎么让别人把自己看得这么透彻?心虚发汗。


但有一事不太明白,你说你“只是提俩儿问题”向mamaomao“请教请教”,可惜直到现在,害得我这个英文不好的人费了半天劲,在读了你的长篇英语后,只留下一个印象,即你没提什么公开问题,却是一在质问: 拿了多少钱在为中共写文章,为什么中国当代文化产生mamaomao这种人?

为什么在当今中国产生了mamaomao这种人,这还有点文化上的讨论意义,我已经在《从哈尔滨停水公共危机讲中国文化的良知观》中简单地表达了我的观点,有兴趣的网友可以去看一下。

至于“拿了多少钱在为中共写文章”,这可绝对是私人问题。在北美问别人的收入等问题可很不礼貌,有侵犯隐私之嫌。
 
当表面被苯污染物弄成光怪陆离的油黑色,并夹带着一条条翻着白肚的死鱼的松花江水在11月23日开始流经哈尔滨市时,哈尔浜市沸腾了!市民扶老携幼从大街小巷里涌出家门前往观光,脸上都现出难以抑制的兴奋和幸福的表情。左邻右舍间甚至忘却了昨天在超级市场为了抢购瓶装水几乎反目、挥拳相向的尴尬场面,相互打招呼、握手、拥抱……,因为他们都知道只有出现了这场百年不遇的生态灾难后,随之而来的就是党的关怀和温暖!

果然,在停止供应自来水后的第4天,“在哈尔滨市民庞玉成家中,黑龙江省省长张左己从容地举起了溢满清水的水杯,将哈尔滨恢复供水后的第一杯水一饮而尽,以“兑现”4天前“第一口水我先喝”的承诺。”

“我希望你们记者都看着啊!”,在大批闻讯赶来的记者手中举起的镜头包围下,张省长先呷了一小口这杯竟然比污染前更清亮甘甜的水,笑着对大家说:“水还有点烫,味道很甘甜。但我不是说水的指标,这个指标得专家认定,专家说可以喝大家再喝。”

在场围观的市民早被省长为百姓的安危而置生死于度外的喝水壮举感动得热泪盈眶,人群中爆发出雷鸣般的口号声:“共产党万岁!”、“三个代表万岁”、“三个为民万岁”、“构建和谐社会万岁”、“善意的谎言万岁”……,巨大的声浪几乎把这间建筑简陋的居民房的屋顶掀掉。欢呼声中,余下的几杯指标尚未被专家认定的水也被热情的市民抢喝一空,充分表现了党和人民的鱼水情,因为水要是完蛋了,鱼也活不成,有福同享,有难同当嘛!

难得亲睹省长真面目的户主庞玉成的老伴马志新泣不成声:“省长,你说话算数!”

“不是我说话算数,是共产党说话算数,人民政府说话算数,” 张左己认真地回答。心里却不由得“问候”了中央领导人的娘亲无数次。“是他们逼我先喝以哄骗市民,平息民怨的!不然就会查办我,拿我当替罪羊,这一点共产党说话是算数的,人民政府说话是算数的。谁让我摊上这么件倒霉事,再贪多点钱财也补偿不了少活几年命呀”!省长眼眶也不由得红了,淌下几滴伤心的泪珠。群众见此,情绪更热烈了……

本身是哈尔滨市道里区商委的退休干部,刚狠狠地灌了一肚子水的75岁的庞玉成老人更是诗兴大发:“我今天很激动,刚编了一首小诗,给大家朗诵一下:斟上一杯放心水,心中感到格外美;党送温暖家家乐,百姓心里放光辉。”

“挤满人的小屋里立即响起了一片欢笑声,4天来松花江水污染的阴霾在阵阵欢笑声中一散而尽”。

虽说松花江是黑龙江最大的支流。全长1900公里,流域面积54.56万平方公里,超过珠江流域面积,占东北三省总面积69.32?。迳流总量759亿立方米,超过了黄河的迳流总量。

虽说松花江流域土地肥沃,盛产大豆、玉米、高粱、小麦。此外,亚麻、棉花、菸草、苹果和甜菜亦品质优良。松花江也是中国东北地区的一个大淡水鱼场,每年供应的鲤、卿、鳇、哲罗鱼等,达四千万公斤以上。因此,松花江虽然是黑龙江的支流,但对东北地区的工农业生产、内河航运、人民生活等方面的经济和社会意义都超过了黑龙江和东北其他河流。

尽管环保总局副局长张力军24日在国务院新闻办举行的新闻发布会上回答记者有关提问时说,环保部门和地方政府正在进行水污染的防控工作,还没有来得及就污染事故对生态环境造成的影响进行全面评估。

但是,因为毒水巳往下游去了,巳离开了哈尔滨,饮水要中毒的也只能是其它城市的居民、是当年蛮横地霸占我国领土而今成为俄罗斯的城市居民,如果俄罗斯人不堪毒水污染,逃离那些地方,我党更可兵不血刃便可收回大片神圣的领土,因祸得福!

所以,哈尔滨市民才会在“第一口水我先喝”的省长面前情不自禁地发出阵阵欢笑声,令松花江水污染的阴霾在阵阵欢笑声中一散而尽,反正将来省长、市长们还会在镜头前吃第一口鱼、吞下第一口大豆、玉米、高粱、小麦、啃第一口苹果、抽第一口烟……

正是:松江污染家家乐,毒水过后尽开颜!


附新华社新闻原稿:

“新华网哈尔滨11月27日电 27日18时,在哈尔滨市民庞玉成家中,黑龙江省省长张左己从容地举起了溢满清水的水杯,将哈尔滨恢复供水后的第一杯水一饮而尽,以“兑现”4天前“第一口水我先喝”的承诺。

中石油吉化公司双苯厂发生爆炸,污染松花江水质,给下游城市哈尔滨带来严重的水危机。23日,哈尔滨开始全市大停水,并承诺4天后恢复供水。

为了消除市民的疑虑,对百姓的健康负责,张左己早在停水之前就向公众承诺:“4天之后,第一口水我先喝。”

27日傍晚,张左己来到了住在道里区新阳路289号的市民庞玉成家。进屋后,张左己跟着庞玉成的二女儿来到厨房,打开水龙头。“我希望你们记者都看着啊!”面对闻讯赶来的记者,张左己风趣地说。

75岁的庞玉成老人是哈尔滨市道里区商委的退休干部,老伴马志新是新阳路小学的退休教师。张左己对庞玉成老人说:“今天,我就是想在这种家庭气氛中,和大家共同分享我们盼望了几天的清水。”

不一会儿,一杯滚烫的水递到了省长手里。张左己双手高高举起水杯,先是呷了一小口,笑着对大家说:“水还有点烫,味道很甘甜。但我不是说水的指标,这个指标得专家认定,专家说可以喝大家再喝。”

马志新接过话茬:“省长,你说话算数!”

“不是我说话算数,是共产党说话算数,人民政府说话算数,” 张左己认真地回答。

水晾了一会儿,张左己端起水杯,与大家一饮而尽。庞玉成老人放下水杯,说:“我今天很激动,刚编了一首小诗,给大家朗诵一下:斟上一杯放心水,心中感到格外美;党送温暖家家乐,百姓心里放光辉。”

挤满人的小屋里立即响起了一片欢笑声,4天来松花江水污染的阴霾在阵阵欢笑声中一散而尽。”
 
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