从哈市停水公共危机讲中国文化的良知观

Re: Re: Re: 从哈市停水公共危机讲中国文化的良知观

最初由 mamaomao 发布

我不得不再说一次,写得好。我在这里为你的上文总结一下:

1.mamaomao的小嘴多巧,不是心有灵犀,就是党另有“单传”
2.好些年了没见象mamaomao这样爱耍小聪明的人了

提到点子上了,我需要回去反省一下,怎么让别人把自己看得这么透彻?心虚发汗。

但有一事不太明白,你说你“只是提俩儿问题”向mamaomao“请教请教”,可惜直到现在,害得我这个英文不好的人费了半天劲,在读了你的长篇英语后,只留下一个印象,即你没提什么公开问题,却是一在质问: 拿了多少钱在为中共写文章,为什么中国当代文化产生mamaomao这种人?

为什么在当今中国产生了mamaomao这种人,这还有点文化上的讨论意义,我已经在《从哈尔滨停水公共危机讲中国文化的良知观》中简单地表达了我的观点,有兴趣的网友可以去看一下。

至于“拿了多少钱在为中共写文章”,这可绝对是私人问题。在北美问别人的收入等问题可很不礼貌,有侵犯隐私之嫌。
这回俺是开眼了,长见识了。这人咋大白天白纸黑字啥都敢窜改。

俺在这边写的是"modern Chines culture",到你那边就成了"中国文化这个大染缸"。

俺在这边写的是"Sometimes seeing guys like mamaomao and 234567 make me sad", 到你那一眨眼234567就不见啦。

俺在这边写的是"I wonder if there's any overtime pay for this guy and who's paying it?", 到你那就成了俺老是"一在质问:拿了多少钱在为中共写文章?"。

俺啥时候老是打听你挣多少银子啦?还"一在质问"??你这不是成心糟践俺们乡下人吗?!俺们乡下人是比你土一点儿,脸儿也没你白。可你也不能仗着你脸儿白就欺人太甚。你以为俺们乡下人象你那样为了银子可以啥都不要?俺们乡下人人穷志不穷,不稀罕你那银子,嫌脏。

还有,俺在俩儿comments里提了几个问题(有中文的,也有英文的),可你楞是挣眼说瞎话说是没看见。听说你还是个工程师,还在外国,还天天捧着大本儿大本儿的洋文读着,还是个大老爷们,咋说撒泼耍赖就撒泼耍赖?连俺们村的小媳妇老娘们都不如?她们吵架还得几个回合后再开始撒泼耍赖。你咋一个回合都不到就往大街上躺?是你跟党学的?还是党让你这么干的?还是你一急就这德行儿?

俺说他大兄弟,你看这样咋样?你先起来,别那么急就撒呀耍的,这大街上人多,看着多不好。听说这儿还连着因特网啥的,让洋人瞅着多丢人。再说万一让你媳妇瞅着,她以后人前人后的,那可不是闹着玩的。俺们这样,你说你英文不好,欺负俺洋文不行也拿你没辙儿。俺就把俺那中文问题连同你的原文,拿这再重复一遍。没准是你眼神儿不好,这回又是中文又是单独问题,也许能看清楚点儿了。

原文:"我这人爱认死理爱找证据相互进行对比,多看一看并加以对比后,有些现象看不下去了,于是就有感而发了。"

问题:"你有感而发想咋发咋发,跳着发,躺着发,打着滚的发都没事儿。你就是无感而发也没事儿。可你老是“立此存照"干哈吗?你看你,这东拉西扯的又是一大锅,咋就是一字不提你那“立此存照"?俺撇下地里活专门来瞅瞅你这大锅就是担心你那“立此存照"。俺们庄户人胆儿小,好歹给俺们解释解释干哈老是要“立此存照"?闹得俺晚上睡觉听见耗子拉屎都吓得出冷汗。"

大兄弟,你如果是忙着研究你那大本儿大本儿的洋文,没时间,那就不必回答了。谁都有忙的时候,这跟没看见就不是一回事了。你看咋样?俺这人还不算不通情达理吧?:)
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: 从哈市停水公共

最初由 yokel 发布

这回俺是开眼了,长见识了。这人咋大白天白纸黑字啥都敢窜改。

俺在这边写的是"modern Chines culture",到你那边就成了"中国文化这个大染缸"。

俺在这边写的是"Sometimes seeing guys like mamaomao and 234567 make me sad", 到你那一眨眼234567就不见啦。

俺在这边写的是"I wonder if there's any overtime pay for this guy and who's paying it?", 到你那就成了俺老是"一在质问:拿了多少钱在为中共写文章?"。

俺啥时候老是打听你挣多少银子啦?还"一在质问"?你这不是成心糟践俺们乡下人吗?!俺们乡下人是比你土一点儿,脸儿也没你白。可你也不能仗着你脸儿白就欺人太甚。俺们乡下人人穷志不穷,不稀罕你那银子,嫌脏。

还有,俺在俩儿comments里提了几个问题(有中文的,也有英文的),可你楞是挣眼说瞎话说是没看见。听说你还是个工程师,还在外国,还天天捧着大本儿大本儿的洋文读着,还是个大老爷们,咋说撒泼耍赖就撒泼耍赖?连俺们村的小媳妇老娘们都不如?她们吵架还得几个回合后再开始撒泼耍赖。你咋一个回合都不到就往大街上躺?是你跟党学的?还是党让你这么干的吗?还是你一急就这德行儿?

俺说他大兄弟,你看这样咋样?你先起来,别那么急就撒呀耍的,这大街上人多,看着多不好。听说这儿还连着因特网啥的,让洋人瞅着多丢人。再说万一让你媳妇瞅着,她以后人前人后的,那可不是闹着玩的。俺们这样,你说你英文不好,欺负俺洋文不行也拿你没辙儿。俺就把俺那中文问题连同你的原文,拿这再重复一遍。没准是你眼神儿不好,这回又是中文又是单独问题,也许能看清楚点儿了。

原文:"我这人爱认死理爱找证据相互进行对比,多看一看并加以对比后,有些现象看不下去了,于是就有感而发了。"

问题:"你有感而发想咋发咋发,跳着发,躺着发,打着滚的发都没事儿。你就是无感而发也没事儿。可你老是“立此存照"干哈吗?你看你,这东拉西扯的又是一大锅,咋就是一字不提你那“立此存照"?俺撇下地里活专门来瞅瞅你这大锅就是担心你那“立此存照"。俺们庄户人胆儿小,好歹给俺们解释解释干哈老是要“立此存照"?闹得俺晚上睡觉听见耗子拉屎都吓得出冷汗。"

大兄弟,你如果是忙着研究你那大本儿大本儿的洋文,那就不必回答了。谁都有忙的时候,这跟没看见就不是一回事了。你看咋样?俺这人还不算不通情达理吧?:)

看来yokel是个老实人和认真的人。
对你的回复,我没有更多的可重复的。
我对哈尔滨停水事件的观点,都在以下三篇文章中:
从哈市停水公共危机看“谣言的产生和肆虐”
http://www.comefromchina.com/newbbs/showthread.php?s=&forumid=95&threadid=428876
从哈市停水公共危机讲中国文化的良知观
http://www.comefromchina.com/newbbs/showthread.php?s=&forumid=95&threadid=429201
哈尔滨停水公共危机的一些细节及分析评论
http://www.comefromchina.com/newbbs/showthread.php?s=&forumid=95&threadid=429254

欢迎写中文的,写英文的,想来开心的骂人的,想来作认真讨论的等等网友们阅读和批评。
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: 从哈市停水公共危机讲中国文化的良知观

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最初由 yokel 发布

这回俺是开眼了,长见识了。这人咋大白天白纸黑字啥都敢窜改。

俺在这边写的是"modern Chines culture",到你那边就成了"中国文化这个大染缸"。

俺在这边写的是"Sometimes seeing guys like mamaomao and 234567 make me sad", 到你那一眨眼234567就不见啦。

俺在这边写的是"I wonder if there's any overtime pay for this guy and who's paying it?", 到你那就成了俺老是"一在质问:拿了多少钱在为中共写文章?"。

俺啥时候老是打听你挣多少银子啦?还"一在质问"??你这不是成心糟践俺们乡下人吗?!俺们乡下人是比你土一点儿,脸儿也没你白。可你也不能仗着你脸儿白就欺人太甚。你以为俺们乡下人象你那样为了银子可以啥都不要?俺们乡下人人穷志不穷,不稀罕你那银子,嫌脏。

还有,俺在俩儿comments里提了几个问题(有中文的,也有英文的),可你楞是挣眼说瞎话说是没看见。听说你还是个工程师,还在外国,还天天捧着大本儿大本儿的洋文读着,还是个大老爷们,咋说撒泼耍赖就撒泼耍赖?连俺们村的小媳妇老娘们都不如?她们吵架还得几个回合后再开始撒泼耍赖。你咋一个回合都不到就往大街上躺?是你跟党学的?还是党让你这么干的?还是你一急就这德行儿?

俺说他大兄弟,你看这样咋样?你先起来,别那么急就撒呀耍的,这大街上人多,看着多不好。听说这儿还连着因特网啥的,让洋人瞅着多丢人。再说万一让你媳妇瞅着,她以后人前人后的,那可不是闹着玩的。俺们这样,你说你英文不好,欺负俺洋文不行也拿你没辙儿。俺就把俺那中文问题连同你的原文,拿这再重复一遍。没准是你眼神儿不好,这回又是中文又是单独问题,也许能看清楚点儿了。

原文:"我这人爱认死理爱找证据相互进行对比,多看一看并加以对比后,有些现象看不下去了,于是就有感而发了。"

问题:"你有感而发想咋发咋发,跳着发,躺着发,打着滚的发都没事儿。你就是无感而发也没事儿。可你老是“立此存照"干哈吗?你看你,这东拉西扯的又是一大锅,咋就是一字不提你那“立此存照"?俺撇下地里活专门来瞅瞅你这大锅就是担心你那“立此存照"。俺们庄户人胆儿小,好歹给俺们解释解释干哈老是要“立此存照"?闹得俺晚上睡觉听见耗子拉屎都吓得出冷汗。"

大兄弟,你如果是忙着研究你那大本儿大本儿的洋文,没时间,那就不必回答了。谁都有忙的时候,这跟没看见就不是一回事了。你看咋样?俺这人还不算不通情达理吧?:)

没两个回合就露出和那几个垃圾一样的秉性,先还以为碰到个稍好的"民运斗士或轮子呢。知道你们为啥是过街鼠了吧!不是没有原因的。MAMAOMAO你也不要指望和他们有啥理性的讨论了,一群成不了大气而又身无一技之长的海外政治混混而已。

你也看到没几个人会和你们在这争辩。因为。。。原因你自己也清楚,看看你上面这段话吧,逻辑就不说了,简直就是泼皮耍赖,懒得说了,自己去检查一下。

take a break! u also write too much on this BBS, does anyone pay for u?(sorry! just follow ur way of thinking)
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 从哈市停水公共危机讲中国文化的良知观

最初由 234567 发布
没两个回合就露出和那几个垃圾一样的秉性,先还以为碰到个稍好的"民运斗士或轮子呢。知道你们为啥是过街鼠了吧!不是没有原因的。MAMAOMAO你也不要指望和他们有啥理性的讨论了,一群成不了大气而又身无一技之长的海外政治混混而已。

你也看到没几个人会和你们在这争辩。因为。。。原因你自己也清楚,看看你上面这段话吧,逻辑就不说了,简直就是泼皮耍赖,懒得说了,自己去检查一下。

take a break! u also write too much on this BBS, does anyone pay for u?(sorry! just follow ur way of thinking)
I have been very busy lately taking care of my pigs, so wasn't able to respond promptly. But I promise I'll respond soon. In the meanwhile, I think you deserve a second chance to let people see both pieces of your vulgarity, which will give people a better idea about what kind of person you are. So I'll repost my previous comment that was responding to your first cursing piece. Also, by doing that it may help fresh your memory that there are still some questions waiting for you to answer in my comment if you're as brave as you have shown people here when you are cursing...:)

最初由 234567 发布

who wants to archive ur bullshit here!even u spend lots of time on it,it is still bullshit!
China has lots of problems, but it is growing, it is promising,that's all! who pay u speak here? If any one voices diferently with u guys, he or she is paid for that? that is what u called democatical way of thinking?give us a break!

I do not want to argue with u guys here, cos I know some of u are too shity to argue with. u have to admite it and shutup if u hang out here often, if u know more about what most of Chinese here are thinking of, if u know what most of us will do when they face what u guys are doing overseas,....in one word, if u dare to face the facts that u guys are not wellcome here. otherwise if u pretend to ignore those facts, just go ahead and post more bullshit here!

Wow... "bullshit", "shutup", "shity", "垃圾一样的秉性", "过街鼠"... Is this how your parants having spent 20 or 30 years raised you and taught you how to talk to people? If this is the way how your parants talk to people and each other, and therefore this's how you have been learning from them, I'll rest my case and let you have the last word.

By the way, what's "shity"? Do you mean shitty? I thought it were English...:)

"even u spend lots of time on it" That's interesting... Do you want to compare the length of my little comment and the length of mamaomao's several masterpiece articles like PhD theses? Don't forget to also compare how many citations he quoted and how many citations my little comment quoted if there's any. Where did you get the idea that I spent lots of time? If you are so sure about that, why not tell people here how much time I had spent on my little comment? so you and I can let people be the judge if that amount of time constitutes "lots of time".

"China has lots of problems, but it is growing" Growing? You mean after more than 50 years that the party in power air polution is growing? water polution is growing? the frequency of environmental disasters is growing? Chinese people's premature death rate and health problem because of worsening environmental conditions growing? Let alone many other problems growing... Sometimes when you write you need to be a bit more specific...

"it is promising" Promising? Do you mean the wallets of those corrupted officials promising? Do you mean the broadness and the extensiveness of corruptions among the party officials promising? If questions like these are too complicated for you to answer, I'll go easy on you. Just tell us this: after more than 50 years the party in power the corruption is getting less and less? or more and more? How does this question sound?

"If any one voices diferently with u guys, he or she is paid for that?" No, not at all... Actually this is my first time saying that to anyone. It was just very surprising to see the overwhelming amount of work, effort, time and energy that mamaomao has been putting into several of his impressively long theses. Also because not only his theses are much elaborate and longer than anyone else but also he tried a bit too hard, a bit too desparate, as well as he is the only one openly announced to archive some other people's words, which is not decent and not something a gentleman would do at all. There are others who share mamaomao's view but I never had that thought on any of them, not even bothered to say anything.

"if u know what most of us will do when they face what u guys are doing overseas" I do not know what most of you will do. Why not tell people in this forum so we can have a better idea about what kind of person you are, and what kind of group of people or orgnization you represent. You seem to use the phrase "u guys" a lot. Who are the "u guys"? How many of them you know personally? How much you know about them? How much you know about me? And what's the relevancy between the "u guys" and me?

"if u know more about what most of Chinese here are thinking of" Searching for and discussing about truth is not a popularity contest. I believe most Chinese here are a silient majority and they can see more and more problems in China. Even if, which I doubt, most of Chinese are not able to see through the propaganda or lies like in the SAR event and this time in Harbin, they will find out the truth pretty soon. Let me quote someone you probably worship very much. One of the famous sayings by Chairman Mao goes like this: "Sometimes the truth is in the hands of minorities."

I never pretend to represent anyone else but myself. But you sound like representing a lot of Chinese. Who are you representing anyway? How many are there that you seem to claim to be representing? Please let people here know and that'll be interesting to see... Hope it's not a Chinese Boys or Girls Scout...:)

"if u dare to face the facts that u guys are not wellcome here" It then shows again how narrow-minded you are. Let's see if I dare to face the facts:
Fact 1. this forum whoever started it is a public forum
Fact 2. I did not see my little comment vialates any of the Forum Regulations. If you see any vialation please let me know, oh better yet, please openly post the vialation here.

Do you want to tell people here what I have done or what's YOUR particular reason or reasons that YOU think I am, as a single person, not welcome here? Now it's time to see if you dare...:)

On the other hand even though I can see there're some differences between your view and my view, but I personally welcome you here to continue participating in the forum, but at least TRYING to cut down the cursing, vulgarity and profanity, I know sometimes habits can be hard to change.

Further more, if you are the founder of the forum and you have problem or can't stand seeing me occasionally having discussion with other participants even if there's no any vialation on my part. There won't be any problem, and I'll not participate in the discussion. All you need to do is just post a little note in the forum saying I am the founder and I don't want yokel to participate in any discussion in this forum, then I'll stop participating. That's all it takes. Is that good enough? Geez, this is the twenty first century and someone's so afraid of a dumb yokel...lol

I think I'm done with you...:)

I wish a founder or administrator of a news forum especially like this serving both Chinese and non-Chinese abroard and in China should be more inclusive, more open-minded, and of course more civilized than most of people, not like some of the people I saw here.

Sometimes seeing guys like mamaomao and 234567 makes me sad, and also makes me wonder what exectly in modern Chinese culture made them who they are? I'm not blaming them here. On the contrary I think in most part it's not their fault... Any input? That could be an interesting and meaningful subject for discussion.
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: 从哈市停水公共危机讲中国文化的良知观

最初由 yokel 发布

你这不是成心糟践俺们乡下人吗?!俺们乡下人是比你土一点儿,脸儿也没你白。可你也不能仗着你脸儿白就欺人太甚。你以为俺们乡下人象你那样为了银子可以啥都不要?俺们乡下人人穷志不穷,不稀罕你那银子,嫌脏。

还有,俺在俩儿comments里提了几个问题(有中文的,也有英文的),可你楞是挣眼说瞎话说是没看见。听说你还是个工程师,还在外国,还天天捧着大本儿大本儿的洋文读着,还是个大老爷们,咋说撒泼耍赖就撒泼耍赖?连俺们村的小媳妇老娘们都不如?她们吵架还得几个回合后再开始撒泼耍赖。你咋一个回合都不到就往大街上躺?是你跟党学的?还是党让你这么干的?还是你一急就这德行儿?

俺说他大兄弟,你看这样咋样?你先起来,别那么急就撒呀耍的,这大街上人多,看着多不好。听说这儿还连着因特网啥的,让洋人瞅着多丢人。再说万一让你媳妇瞅着,她以后人前人后的,那可不是闹着玩的。俺们这样,你说你英文不好,欺负俺洋文不行也拿你没辙儿。俺就把俺那中文问题连同你的原文,拿这再重复一遍。没准是你眼神儿不好,这回又是中文又是单独问题,也许能看清楚点儿了。

原文:"我这人爱认死理爱找证据相互进行对比,多看一看并加以对比后,有些现象看不下去了,于是就有感而发了。"

问题:"你有感而发想咋发咋发,跳着发,躺着发,打着滚的发都没事儿。你就是无感而发也没事儿。可你老是“立此存照"干哈吗?你看你,这东拉西扯的又是一大锅,咋就是一字不提你那“立此存照"?俺撇下地里活专门来瞅瞅你这大锅就是担心你那“立此存照"。俺们庄户人胆儿小,好歹给俺们解释解释干哈老是要“立此存照"?闹得俺晚上睡觉听见耗子拉屎都吓得出冷汗。"


不想说啥,看看你写的东西吧,是不是vulgarity?你父母从小是教你这么说话的吗?at least TRYING to cut down the cursing, vulgarity and profanity, I know sometimes habits can be hard to change.Please,Please!

Bullshit =胡扯,不是骂人,是说人说的话是胡扯,懂吗???

垃圾,过街鼠: 有些人是垃圾,人渣,你不承认世界上有这样的人吗?当大家说希特勒和汪经卫是人渣时,你说这是骂人也可以。我说有些人是人渣,说有些海外的势力是过街鼠,那是对事实的描述,你自己不认为他们是,或者认为那不是事实,相反认为他们受海外华人欢迎,是正义的化身,那是你自己的想法,你要对号入座那我也没办法。

说这个坛子里几个公认的IDshitty;对不起,我收回,改用他们人格卑劣,你觉得咋样呢?如果你又认为这不文明,那你总不能非要我说一个人格卑劣的人人格不卑劣或高尚吧。如果你认为cheftain之流高尚,那你叫我咋办呢,我只有闭嘴拉,你给我用个文明的词来表达我对人格卑劣者的称呼可以吗?先谢了。

至于后面的长篇大论,我没时间看,对不起了。至于中国现在如何,我认为promising,你认为快垮了,你保留你的意见吧,但你也不要说服我也认为中国不行了,或者为了证明你是对的,而让大伙一起和你祈祷中国快垮。即使她百病缠身,我不得不祝福她going better,这点我希望你该理解吧。

实在没时间了,就这么多了,同时谢谢你在照料狗狗的百忙之中写下如此长篇大论。你也不要promise快点回复我了,我当但不起。有时间写下,没时间就算了。
 
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最初由 yokel 发布

Sometimes seeing guys like mamaomao and 234567 makes me sad, and also makes me wonder what exectly in modern Chinese culture made them who they are? I'm not blaming them here. On the contrary I think in most part it's not their fault... Any input? That could be an interesting and meaningful subject for discussion.

有些人写文章赚补贴, 屁股决定脑袋. 不用为他们觉得SAD. 倒是那些自觉只相信人民日报的年轻人, 有点让人觉得可怜.
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 从哈市停水公共危机讲中国文化的良知观

最初由 234567 发布
斗是=

没两个回合就露出和那几个垃圾一样的秉性,先还以为碰到个稍好的"民运斗士或轮子呢。知道你们为啥是过街鼠了吧!不是没有原因的。MAMAOMAO你也不要指望和他们有啥理性的讨论了,一群成不了大气而又身无一技之长的海外政治混混而已。

你也看到没几个人会和你们在这争辩。因为。。。原因你自己也清楚,看看你上面这段话吧,逻辑就不说了,简直就是泼皮耍赖,懒得说了,自己去检查一下。

take a break! u also write too much on this BBS, does anyone pay for u?(sorry! just follow ur way of thinking)
There you go again...:)

The little angry kid who curses a lot came out from hiding and jumped on the stage again. Why are you so angry all the time? Why do you hate me so much?...lol There must be somehting else... Do you want to tell us what are the reasons that have made you such an angry person?

What took you so long to jump out after I replied your little vulgar piece of article a while ago? Why are you so afraid to answer even a single one of many questions I raised in my previous comment? You know, I, and probably many others have still been waiting for your answers. How much longer do we have to wait? Look at me, I answered and will answer all your questions. On top of that I will answer the questions that you wanted to ask but did not have the guts to ask because you are afraid that they will come back to hunt you...:)

Let's see if you have grown up a little bit since my last comment intended for you? Last time you cursed me ""bullshit", "shutup", "shity", this time you cursed me "垃圾一样的秉性", "过街鼠". Looks like you still have the uncontrollable urge to curse people. It makes me wonder besides cursing, is there anything else you are capable of doing? or capable of saying?

"does anyone pay for u?(sorry! just follow ur way of thinking)" Let's take a close look at this question. I'm really having problem understanding this question. Does anyone pay WHAT for me? Why do you ask if anyone pays something for me? What do you really mean?? The question does look like English, but what kind of English is that? Does anybody understand what he's talking about? Is that what you proudly called one of your two "一技之长" besides cursing? You are using that kind of and level of English "just follow ur way of thinking"? Please, please do not insult your intelligence any more. People here have already had pretty good idea of your intelligence which has been shown very clearly in your two articles. Actually your two articles have shown more than just how much intelligence you have, they also showed us a lot about your mentality, personality and charactor. Does anybody know how old this kid is? Is he still enrolled in one of those pre-college/pre-university English programs? I know a couple of Chinese teenage language students even they can speak better English than this guy.

Okay, let me guess what he meant. Do you mean like "does anyone pay a show to see you for me?" or "does anyone pay for toying with you?" or "does anyone pay me for toying with you?" If that's your question, the answer is no, it's just you're too inviting...:) I hate to teach you English here. In spite of being constantly cursed by you, I'm still willing to help you here. Your question means that you were asking a person if there's someone else who will pay for something that person is supposed to pay. No problem, any time...:)

If your intention was to ask "do I receive any money from anyone for posting comments in this forum?" Let me rephrase the question to make it better for you.

Do I recevie any money from anyone in any shape or form for any of my activities invloved with this forum? My answer is no. Can you say that?...:)

I also noticed something new about you. You seem to have a habit of continuously and groundlessly accusing me of being one of the "u guys" and "民运斗士或轮子" without being willing and able to back ANY of the accusations up, maybe I should make it clear once for all.

1. I do not practise Falun Gong, and never did.
2. I am not a member of any overseas or domestic democracy orgnizations or movements, never was.
3. I do not have any contact with any of the above orgnizations or movements, and never did.
4. I do not receive any money from anyone in any shape or form for any types of activities involved with this forum, and never did.
5. I am just an ordinary Chinese who speaks his mind, nothing more and nothing less.
6. The comment in responding to mamaomao's article that started this discussion was my first comment involving politics ever posted on the Internet.

Now let's see what will be the "new" vulgarity you want to use for cursing me? and what will be the "new" groundless accusations you want to throw at me?

How about you now tell us something about you? How about starting by telling us what the relationship between you and the forum?...:)

"看看你上面这段话吧,逻辑就不说了" Looks like you not only have problems in English, but also problems in reading and understanding Chinese. You do not seem to have any sense of humor, but do have a big mouth. It shows how mature you are.

"简直就是泼皮耍赖" I think after reading what you wrote and what I wrote, people here will not have any problem to judge on that.

"身无一技之长的海外政治混混" 你有啥根据说人家"身无一技之长"?How many of them do you know personally? How much do you know about them? How much do you know about me? 退一万步说,即使人家无一技之长,人家就无权选择政治信仰吗?这都是啥年月了,这人咋还老拿自己那点儿破技做资本跟这个比,跟那个比,说这个是"身无一技之长", 说那个是"混混", 瞧不起这个,看不起那个。So you think if people have less technical skills or no technicall skills than a "genius" like you, they are less human being?! and you are superior to them?!
好象是去年吧,俺在网上瞅着有个姓王的民运人士回国搞民运,让共产党给抓了。人家有俩儿 PhD, 一个是数学,一个是经济,还是哈佛的。让大伙瞅瞅你有俩儿啥?你脸左右俩皮儿好象挺厚。奥,对了,你还有二技之长,一是骂街,二是英文。人家能在国外生活得很好,可人家为了他人(中国老百姓)的利益冒着危险回国。你呢?谁要是批评共产党就象掘了你祖坟,急得话都说不清楚还要骂街。你咋不为了中国老百姓(为党也行)回国呢?你回国不但没有危险,还能得到重用,而且二技之长还能更好发挥,干哈非赖在国外?你还好意思跟人家比?你是打算比英文?比骂街?比学位?还是比人格?俺给你提个建议,骂街累了休息时瞅瞅你周围,或者你住的周围,有多少人有跟你一样的“一技之长”,是不是大把大把的遍地都是?再瞅瞅有多少人跟你一个德行儿?成天瞧不起这个,看不起那个?

"u guys are not wellcome here" What's strange and also interesting about this statement is this. There are many people here who have critisized the Party or the government, and have done so for long time, but I did not see you saying anything like "u guys are not wellcome here". Why as soon as you saw my little comment which is my first one expressing such view ever posted on the Internet, you said that to me? How about tell people here why you treated me with such contrast? Too afraid of something? or simply a coward?...:)

Now after seeing your cursing style of writing, and your "mature" way of thinking, I am starting to understand why people wanted to delete your name when they see your name is next to their names. Has it ever occured to you that why people were doing that? and what does that say about you? It makes me wonder whether or not you are capable of ever having a meaningful discussion with substance of your own, besides cursing and groundless accusations?

Before I go just one final little thing to add. I won't be surprised to hear that the Chinese government secretly funds or subsidizes some of the Chinese forums overseas especially those smaller ones. I don't know about this site, only those who invloved can tell. One thing is obvious that if a forum receives subsidy from the Chinese government and keeps cursing or intimidating people who visit the site, poeple will leave and go to other sites where have better environment, or simply set up a new site themselves. These days it's not very expensive to setup a site. Then if nobody comes to the site that receives the subsidy, I doubt that the government will keep funding the empty site. If I were the Chinese government I would definitely not hire someone who knows nothing about cultures, only about cursing people with vulgar language (I saw someone who does not even know how to curse right...:)). Webmasters or system administrators like that only force people to leave and make situations from bad to worse for the Chinese government and really make the government look bad...:) To better illustrate my point, just let us imagine this. One day our 234567 is hired as a chairman to host an international conference in China (or abroard) on subjects such as Global Democracy, or Freedom Of Press And Censorship. It won't take long before one can picture that our 234567 will be standing on top of the speech box (not behind it) on podium, arms up in the air, jumping up and down, yelling, shouting, cursing at the delegates from countries with democratic systems, and of course with his upper body naked, sweat will be all over his fase and body. At the same time you can see he is from time to time winking at the delegates of the Chinese Communist Party and the one from North Korea. Does that kind of behavior or image of our 234567 really help the cause and the image of the Party?...:)

俺希望来这溜鞑的网友,不管是支持还是批评共产党的,能少点这号素质的。希望能看到心平气和地,老老实实地,实实在在地交流看法,讨论问题,尽管俺是不太会再参加了。

Best wishes to all (including 234567)...:)
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 从哈市停水公共危机讲中国文化的良知观

最初由 234567 发布


不想说啥,看看你写的东西吧,是不是vulgarity?你父母从小是教你这么说话的吗?at least TRYING to cut down the cursing, vulgarity and profanity, I know sometimes habits can be hard to change.Please,Please!

Bullshit =胡扯,不是骂人,是说人说的话是胡扯,懂吗???

垃圾,过街鼠: 有些人是垃圾,人渣,你不承认世界上有这样的人吗?当大家说希特勒和汪经卫是人渣时,你说这是骂人也可以。我说有些人是人渣,说有些海外的势力是过街鼠,那是对事实的描述,你自己不认为他们是,或者认为那不是事实,相反认为他们受海外华人欢迎,是正义的化身,那是你自己的想法,你要对号入座那我也没办法。

说这个坛子里几个公认的IDshitty;对不起,我收回,改用他们人格卑劣,你觉得咋样呢?如果你又认为这不文明,那你总不能非要我说一个人格卑劣的人人格不卑劣或高尚吧。如果你认为cheftain之流高尚,那你叫我咋办呢,我只有闭嘴拉,你给我用个文明的词来表达我对人格卑劣者的称呼可以吗?先谢了。

至于后面的长篇大论,我没时间看,对不起了。至于中国现在如何,我认为promising,你认为快垮了,你保留你的意见吧,但你也不要说服我也认为中国不行了,或者为了证明你是对的,而让大伙一起和你祈祷中国快垮。即使她百病缠身,我不得不祝福她going better,这点我希望你该理解吧。

实在没时间了,就这么多了,同时谢谢你在照料狗狗的百忙之中写下如此长篇大论。你也不要promise快点回复我了,我当但不起。有时间写下,没时间就算了。
"你父母从小是教你这么说话的吗?" I am glad you asked me this question. Yes, they do, also my grand parents talk the same way as I do. Not only that, people up here young and old talk the same way as I do. Do your parents talk the same way as you do as shown in your first and second articles?

To be honest with you, I actually like the little Chinese piece very much, not only that, I am also very proud of it. It looks like I still have my heritage somewhere in me. By the way, thanks for keeping quoting it, which makes more people aware of it. Please feel free to quote it as much as you want. Next time when you quote it, try to include the 3 facts because that was what the whole comment based upon, unless you deliberately want to mislead people. Please keep up the good work...:)


"简直就是泼皮耍赖"
"to cut down the cursing, vulgarity and profanity"

I thought this kid was just no sense of humor. It turned out that he has no idea what are the meaning of the above words or expression. Hey, kid, do you understand the meaning of "泼皮耍赖"? If you do not understand it, or never saw it, or never heard of it, I would recommend you go get a Chinese dictionary or Chinese 词海 to check the meaning for "泼皮耍赖". While you at it also check an English-English dictionary for the meaning of "vulgarity" and "profanity". Read and repeat the definitions ten times. While the definitions are still fresh, do not do anything else, just rush back to your computer and tell us the definitions. Then sit tight, take a deep breath, clear your mind, now start to read my little Chinese comment. Then compare what you read to the definitions and see if you can see the ridiculousness and ludicrousness in your evaluation and your understanding of my little comment. If you still can not see that, your problem is even worse. Okay, this is what you can do next. Print all the articles written by mamaomao, you and me, and staple them together chronologically like a book. Send it to your parents. If your parents can not read English, they can at least read the Chinese part (hope your parents' Chinese are not as terrible as yours). Then ask your parents if they can see the ridiculousness and ludicrousness in your evaluation and your understanding of my little comment. If your parents can not see that either (which will not be very surprising to people here as it's just like the old English saying goes, "like father, like son"), you can send it to your university English professor. I assume you went through a university, but based on your English, Chinese and your character, it's a bit difficult to assume. People would assume having gone through 4 year education one can at least pick up something positive on how to be a decent human being. In this kid's case, I guess many people are disappointed. Anyway, back to the English professor, they usually have a good Chinese background. I am pretty sure they will be able to see the ridiculousness and ludicrousness in your evaluation and your understanding of my little comment. Also please do not forget to let me know the nice words the professor will say about my little Chinese comment...:)

It's also funny to see that this kid is the one who curses the most, while at the same he is accusing others of being vulgar?...lol


"不想说啥,看看你写的东西吧,是不是vulgarity" No, not at all. I don't think any part of my writing in both English and Chinese is anywhere near vulgarity. Go check a dictionary before throwing the word around like you throwing those groundless and factless accusations.


"Bullshit =胡扯,不是骂人,是说人说的话是胡扯,懂吗???"
Well, if you prefer to think that way, it's fine with me. You just keep using it like that...lol

You probably have seen many debates on the major TV networks such as the two in Canada, and the five in US. Some of the debates are pretty heated, and guests disagree with each other completely, very often voices are raised, and sometimes guests are angry at each other. But have you ever seen or heard any guests using the word "bullshit"?...:) 既然不是骂人,咋大伙都不用它啊? Kid, you rely too much on dictionaies. English dictionaries especially those English-Chinese ones never meant to teach you about the culture...:) There are other English words with the same Chinese translation but more socially acceptable with varying degree than the word "Bullshit" that you seem very fond of and quite confident on how to appropriately use it. For example, "nonsence", "rubbish" and "baloney" to name a few... "懂吗?". Sorry for borrowing your word, but one question mark is good enough...:)


"希特勒和汪经卫是人渣" So you think some of your fellow Chinese in this forum whom I believe all (including both sides) wish China to be strong and prosperous are comparable to "希特勒和汪经卫"? Is that what you called your "LOGIC"? For God sake, I not only wonder where this enormous hatred comes from? but also concerned about your mental health. When was the last time you saw a shrink? I don't know why the word "stupidity" keeps coming up in my mind...


"说这个坛子里几个公认的IDshitty" There you go again. What do you mean by "公认"? Who are they when you use the term "公认"? How many are they? What's the number of people that you think adequate to be called "公认"? 5? 10? 20? or everyone here unanimously agrees with you? Have you conducted a poll? You have been keeping using this type of expressions all the time, but never tell us whom you are representing? and how many you are representing? I have asked this question several times and why you never answer? Please keep in mind, you just manage a site, you do not represent or own the world yet...:)


"至于中国现在如何,我认为promising," Why keep repeating yourself? and at the same time avoiding my extremely simple question? I don't think anyone here has doubt about your belief since you made the same statement last time. But my question raised to you last time was never about whether or not you would think China is promising. Let me repeat my question. "After the party in power for more than 50 year, do you think the corruption is getting less and less? or more and more?" Do you want or do you refuse to answer my question? I hope you still have the same bravery when you were cursing me and many others.


By the way, just last point, next time try to use your "genius" brain to create your own sentenses, your own selection of vocabularies, your own expressions, your own ideas and your own thoughts instead of shamelessly stealing, copying mine in both English and Chinese. Maybe it's perfect okay and normal in your value system for you to steal, copy and plagiarize from others, but in many cultures including the traditional Chinese culture it is considered ugly. It shows what kind of moral standard you have if there is any.


"u guys are not wellcome here" In my last comment after telling you that I am not one of the "u guys", and not one of the "民运斗士或轮子", I forgot to ask you whether or not I will now be welcomed here by you? The reason that I ask you is because it was you who said that to me...:)


After seeing what you have wrote so far, I think I have more than enough information to see what kind of person you are. You do not seem to have much sense of shame,much sense of class and much sense and ability to appreciate the beauty of your own native language which I guess it's Chinese. But you do seem to have an absurd sense of confidence in your English...:) 有时真搞不懂,咋党的周围尽是这号主。这不成心给党丢脸吗? Seeing his level of maturity reminds me of the level of maturity demonstrated among many young people in the west which still surprises me from time to time. The big contrast in maturity between many Chinese (some are not young at all) and many young people in the west is another reason that makes me feeling sad about those Chinese.
 
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