A couple of words on banning IDs

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最初由 jetdog 发布
抗议封ID就算了。这个毕竟事私人办的公众服务型的论坛。主人不爽,当然就封了的说。在私人地盘,民主还是算了吧。 没看见过谁跑到私人家里,大吵大闹,主人还要端水送饭的。
"没看见过谁跑到私人家里,大吵大闹,主人还要端水送饭的"

- First of all I agree that the owner has the right to ban or block any ID he wants, but with my reservations on some aspects of incident.

- Secondly, I don't think the analogy comparing a private home with this website is accurate or appropriate. Because if you look at the top and the bottom of every page in this website, you will see many ads which indicate that this website is a business or commercial entity. Business entity/premises and private home are completely different concepts by nature and by laws, such as tax law, business law, civil law and criminal law. For example, there are certain things you can do in your private home, but it will not be okay on business premises.

- Thirdly, the statement makes it sound like as if the owner is a philanthropist and doing a philanthropic deed to set up this "公众服务型的论坛" without any intention for monetary gains and without actually making any profit from doing it. The truth is a person who operates commercial operations and making profit from doing it is commonly considered and called a businessman. Further from truth is the statement also makes it sound like as if the visitors of this site were handout receivers. The truth is each and every one of the visitors who visits this website is contributing to the owner's wealth. Because more people (or more an individual) visit this site, higher the hit rates are. Higher the hit rates, more advertisers will be attracted to the site, and higher the owner can charge advertisers for their ads. So the relationship between the owner and the visitors is not like the one between a philanthropist and a bunch of homeless poeple in a long lineup in front of his big house waiting to receive the daily free bowl of porridge or soup. But rather it is the one between a business owner and his customers who deserve to be treated fairly and decently. I am not saying there's something wrong with the owner's business practice. But intentionally or unintentionally hiding the business nature of this website, and the customer nature of its visitors, as well as the differences either between a businessman and a philanthropist, or between a commercial operation and a philanthropic deed is misleading.

- Fourth, I think many people have expressed concerns and anger over banning the ID is not because they don't think the owner has the right to do so, but rather an expectation issue. Let me explain. If this site is located in China and was setup and managed by the Chinese National Security Department, I don't think many people will bother to express their concerns, or even bother to visit. But when this site is located in a democratic country like Canada or the US, and many visitors are overseas Chinese, they will naturally see this site in the context of democratic environment, and they will naturally compare this site with other sites also located in the western countries. That's why their expectation is different from that if the site were in China. What I am a bit confused about is why the owner bothered to ban the ID at the first place? It seems banning the ID only causes more people aware of the owner's political preference or political agenda, not much else seems to have been achieved.

- Last, "在私人地盘,民主还是算了吧"... This is an interesting comment. It sounds like this gentleman shares, consciously or subconsciously, the idea that banning the ID is not something very democratic. Also interesting to note, why when it comes to this particular private company poeple should not or can not talk about democracy (talking was all the people did so far)? There are millions of private companies in the western countries and many around us. How often we hear poeple in the west comment about private companies in such a tone "在私人地盘,民主还是算了吧"? Let alone people who talked about the incident are customers of the company, not company's employees.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, and thanks...:)
 
Completely nonsense!

Give you a simple sample: In any restaurant, the boss can say to you “I don’t want to serve you, get out!”. If you don’t leave, he will call police.
 
最初由 waterloo 发布
Completely nonsense!

Give you a simple sample: In any restaurant, the boss can say to you “I don’t want to serve you, get out!”. If you don’t leave, he will call police.

If the boss has no reason to say that, he might get into trouble later.

I am pretty sure you never worked at any restaurants. :D
 
最初由 mangliu 发布


If the boss has no reason to say that, he might get into trouble later.

I am pretty sure you never worked at any restaurants. :D

Oh, you must be a 'boss of a restaurant' and 'sent someone out without reason' and 'got trouble'.

Or you must be a lawyer and 'involved in a such case'.

Or you are ....
 
最初由 waterloo 发布


Oh, you must be a 'boss of a restaurant' and 'sent someone out without reason' and 'got trouble'.

Or you must be a lawyer and 'involved in a such case'.

Or you are ....

Oh, man, I just happened to work at several restaurants here during high school and university, and know what a restaurant owner can do and cannot do.

But you didn’t for sure. All your words are from your imagination.
 
套句CHICAGO黑老大的名言:放狠话不如带上一支枪。

那饭店老板再敢说屁话,一枪把它崩了。

Why so care about id be banned? Register another one or never come to here again.
 
能否请楼主或中文打字快的给翻译一下。这一大长篇英文看了费劲。
谢谢。
 
最初由 yokel 发布

"没看见过谁跑到私人家里,大吵大闹,主人还要端水送饭的"

- First of all I agree that the owner has the right to ban or block any ID he wants, but with my reservations on some aspects of incident.

- Secondly, I don't think the analogy comparing a private home with this website is accurate or appropriate. Because if you look at the top and the bottom of every page in this website, you will see many ads which indicate that this website is a business or commercial entity. Business entity/premises and private home are completely different concepts by nature and by laws, such as tax law, business law, civil law and criminal law. For example, there are certain things you can do in your private home, but it will not be okay on business premises.

- Thirdly, the statement makes it sound like as if the owner is a philanthropist and doing a philanthropic deed to set up this "公众服务型的论坛" without any intention for monetary gains and without actually making any profit from doing it. The truth is a person who operates commercial operations and making profit from doing it is commonly considered and called a businessman. Further from truth is the statement also makes it sound like as if the visitors of this site were handout receivers. The truth is each and every one of the visitors who visits this website is contributing to the owner's wealth. Because more people (or more an individual) visit this site, higher the hit rates are. Higher the hit rates, more advertisers will be attracted to the site, and higher the owner can charge advertisers for their ads. So the relationship between the owner and the visitors is not like the one between a philanthropist and a bunch of homeless poeple in a long lineup in front of his big house waiting to receive the daily free bowl of porridge or soup. But rather it is the one between a business owner and his customers who deserve to be treated fairly and decently. I am not saying there's something wrong with the owner's business practice. But intentionally or unintentionally hiding the business nature of this website, and the customer nature of its visitors, as well as the differences either between a businessman and a philanthropist, or between a commercial operation and a philanthropic deed is misleading.

- Fourth, I think many people have expressed concerns and anger over banning the ID is not because they don't think the owner has the right to do so, but rather an expectation issue. Let me explain. If this site is located in China and was setup and managed by the Chinese National Security Department, I don't think many people will bother to express their concerns, or even bother to visit. But when this site is located in a democratic country like Canada or the US, and many visitors are overseas Chinese, they will naturally see this site in the context of democratic environment, and they will naturally compare this site with other sites also located in the western countries. That's why their expectation is different from that if the site were in China. What I am a bit confused about is why the owner bothered to ban the ID at the first place? It seems banning the ID only causes more people aware of the owner's political preference or political agenda, not much else seems to have been achieved.

- Last, "在私人地盘,民主还是算了吧"... This is an interesting comment. It sounds like this gentleman shares, consciously or subconsciously, the idea that banning the ID is not something very democratic. Also interesting to note, why when it comes to this particular private company poeple should not or can not talk about democracy (talking was all the people did so far)? There are millions of private companies in the western countries and many around us. How often we hear poeple in the west comment about private companies in such a tone "在私人地盘,民主还是算了吧"? Let alone people who talked about the incident are customers of the company, not company's employees.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, and thanks...:)

典型的托福作文一篇。文不对题,说的 a couple of words, 其实是长篇大论。
 
也不就封个ID嘛,是个论谈都可以都应该啊,当初是自愿注册的又不是被逼的(至少不是被网站管理员逼的).封个ID又不是不能来,要看广告啥的就看,随便看.
 
最初由 rideau85 发布
也不就封个ID嘛,是个论谈都可以都应该啊,当初是自愿注册的又不是被逼的(至少不是被网站管理员逼的).封个ID又不是不能来,要看广告啥的就看,随便看.

I think the point here is, if you have a rule, then no matter who you are, you got to follow the rule. No one can be "above" the rule, even Admin!

http://www.comefromchina.com/newbbs/showthread.php?s=&forumid=5&threadid=446286
 
I am all for banning IDs if they cause problems here. First of all, in order for this website to be viewable in China, the discussion here has to comply to Chinese laws. There are lots of XX Gong members here and as you know XX Gong is banned in China. Chinese websites are like that - wherever you go, you can't escape from the long arm of Chinese law.
 
最初由 dandinghe 发布
能否请楼主或中文打字快的给翻译一下。这一大长篇英文看了费劲。
谢谢。
I am sorry. I have to admit that I am terrible in typing Chinese. But I don't mind anyone translating it into Chinese as long as it's accurate...:)
 
最初由 yokel 发布

I am sorry. I have to admit that I am terrible in typing Chinese. But I don't mind anyone translating it into Chinese as long as it's accurate...:)



Are you kidding? who bother to translate? you are making a mountain out of a mole hill. Be concise! the original post say more in one paragraph than your whole essay.Man, I think you completely missed thepoints the post is making. The post is poking fun of cfc.
 
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