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最初由 二混子说话 发布
奇怪?请解答:上帝为什么要长乳头?上帝有了性冲动可怎么解决?
这可真让人费解呀!难道上帝也打飞机?



虽然我们不信仰基督,但是我们对任何宗教的神都是要尊敬的

就像本人虽然不信佛,但是我相信善还是会有善报的
 
最初由 O游神 发布


这个不是我的理论而是达尔文的进化论。从猿到人是个大规模的渐进的过程,而不是你说的有2只猴子变成了人,然后生下的后代就是人类。

你自己也说没读过进化论,中学的知识看来又忘得精光,还有什么资格谈论进化论?

宗教是精神的信仰,你要是真的信仰就不管什么科学啦历史拉统统别管了,信就是信了,也没人管你。可是你偏偏要攻击自己不懂得科学,这不是宗教人士丢人吗。

呵呵,这就很有意思了。我真的想听听R兄对此一论述的意见。
 
最初由 20厘米先生 发布


1. 这突变, 不会遗传, 因为变异的细胞不能产生能成功繁殖后代的个体, 而且也不是在自然选择下的突变. no natural selective pressure, the mutation is meaningless.

2. 这不是进化, 进化的最小测量单位是一个species, 而不是species中的一个individual.

1) 如果变异的细胞不能产生能成功繁殖后代的个体,那么\由猴到人的转变是如何形成的?
2) 请明确定义一下什么叫自然选择压力。


另外请教一个问题。在单细胞生物形成之前,是先有催化核酸形成的酶蛋白,还是先有编码酶蛋白的核酸?
 
最初由 无敌小妖精 发布
楼主你自己信就信吧

别出来叫唤

我们都是很纯正的中国人

你瞎叫唤不起作用

就像,在中国只能忽悠那些无知的人

谢谢提醒。不过我认为我们是在很认真的讨论一个科学问题而不是宗教问题(自然进化论是科学理论而不是宗教信仰的话)。虽然此版是以宗教开版的。

想请教一下各位,在你的心目中,自然进化论是可以探讨的科学理论还是不容怀疑的宗教信仰?
 
hi, farmer, here is your ancestor


Fossil hunters have found remains of a probable direct ancestor of humans that lived more than four million years ago.

The specimens of this ancient creature are helping bridge a long gap during a crucial phase of human evolution.

Professor Tim White of the University of California, Berkeley, and colleagues unearthed the cache of fossils in the Middle Awash region of Ethiopia.

They describe the finds, which belong to the species Australopithecus anamensis, in the journal Nature.

Australopithecus is an important ancient genus of humanlike creatures, or hominids.

I think you could argue...what we're monitoring here is the genesis of that second stage of human evolution - the genesis of Australopithecus

Tim White, UC Berkeley
Our own genus, Homo, is widely thought to have evolved from this group. So the relationship of Australopithecus to even earlier bipedal hominids is crucial to understanding where we all ultimately come from.

When placed together with other fossils from the same general area of Ethiopia, the 4.1-million-year-old anamensis specimens appear to establish an evolutionary succession between earlier and later species.

"The fact anamensis is sandwiched between earlier and later hominids is what is really significant about this Ethiopian sequence," Tim White told the BBC News website.

Middle man

The finds close the gap between a more ancient species known as Ardipithecus ramidus, which is found at 4.4 million years and a later species known as Australopithecus afarensis, which is present in the Middle Awash 3.4 million years ago.

Australopithecus anamensis is intermediate between the two not only chronologically but also in terms of its anatomy.


The Middle Awash region of Ethiopia has yielded many important finds (Image: ©David L Brill\Brill Atlanta)
The anamensis species is not new, but, say the researchers, "this is the first time that these three species have been shown to be time-successive in a single place".

One explanation is that one species simply evolved into the other - so-called phyletic evolution.

Another possibility is that Australopithecus first emerged as a side branch of Ardipithecus. Under this scheme the mother species would have lived alongside the daughter species for some period of time before the mother species died out.

But no overlap between any of the three species has been found in Ethiopia.

Mind the gap

"I think you could argue, fairly, that the circumstantial evidence based on geography and habitat is of one evolving phyletically into the other and what we're monitoring here is the genesis of that second stage of human evolution - the genesis of Australopithecus," White explained.

But, he added: "We cannot disprove the alternative hypothesis just yet."


The finds suggest an evolutionary succession in Ethiopia (Image: ©Tim D White\Brill Atlanta)
The new discoveries go some way to bridging the gap between Ardipithecus and Australopithecus, but do not entirely plug it.

"The gaps don't get entirely filled; you fill a big gap and create two smaller ones," said Professor White.

"Now we're looking at a gap between 4.4 million and 4.1 million. That's 300,000 years; an awful lot of time when measured on a human timescale, but not that long on a geological one."

The fossils represent at least eight individuals and include the largest hominid canine ever found, the earliest known Australopithecus thigh bone as well as hand and foot bones.

In the woods

The excavation at Asa Issie also uncovered the remains of pigs, monkeys and big cats. The fauna suggest that anamensis was living in a closed, wooded habitat.

Australopithecus anamensis had a significantly thicker layer of enamel on its teeth than Ardipithecus, suggesting the later hominid was adapting to eating a more abrasive diet of roots.

In many species, this is a fallback food when resources are scarce, but it is not clear what caused the diet shift in this case.

The Turkana Basin in Kenya has also yielded Australopithecus anamensis fossils.

Australopithecus afarensis was first recognised in the 1970s on the basis of the now famous "Lucy" skeleton from Hadar, Ethiopia, and footprints preserved in volcanic ash at Laetoli, Tanzania.

Tim White, Gen Suwa and Berhane Asfaw discovered the first Ardipithecus ramidus fossils in the 1990s.
 
最初由 农民工 发布
呵呵,刚才没有好好读R兄的全贴就赶着回了。这里还真有一个突变的例子:

Sometimes, DNA mutates and you get cancer or if it is too early, you may have congenital illnesses.

但这种突变,1)会遗传吗?2)是进化吗?

Cells are programmed to die. When they become immortal, they become THE trouble! Isn't that interesting?

hi, farmer, you forget selection pressure. blacks are deficient in G6HPD, not seen in other minorities. why? because they offer an survival advantage. if mutations offer survival advantages, it will be selected for until they are no longer advantageous.
 
这个农民工别净整那些DNA的东西,你还别闲我无聊,既然你无赖,你还就回答个无赖的问题。亚当不是按上帝的样子造的嘛,那上帝肯定就是有乳头的,他长那玩意干什么?难道上帝是雌雄同体?
 
很好。我读到的尽是:
a “probable” direct ancestor of humans
“is widely thought to”
"We cannot disprove the alternative hypothesis just yet."
"The gaps don't get entirely filled”

一句话,那都还是“假设”的理论。
 
最初由 农民工 发布


1) 如果变异的细胞不能产生能成功繁殖后代的个体,那么\由猴到人的转变是如何形成的?
2) 请明确定义一下什么叫自然选择压力。


另外请教一个问题。在单细胞生物形成之前,是先有催化核酸形成的酶蛋白,还是先有编码酶蛋白的核酸?


1.......!!!!不要偷换概念, 看看你前面问题的条件.

2.my definition of that concept is that "nature" (the physical and biological environment) "selects" variations in characteristics or traits that improve individual survival and reproduction (adaptive traits), and selects against unfavourable traits (maladaptive traits). 当individual的traits不能很好适应当前的nature时, 这个nature就给了这个individual一个pressure, 一个要individual改变的pressure, 不改就不能很好的适应这个nature, 甚至死亡.


不好意思, 我没学过中文生物. 不明白你的问题.
 
Selection 总得分 natural selection 和 artificial selection 两种, 基督教就在artificial selection中发展得不错, 随着社会的改变而适应社会, 不至于被社会所淘汰.
 
另外请教一个问题。在单细胞生物形成之前,是先有催化核酸形成的酶蛋白,还是先有编码酶蛋白的核酸?

Another question: before the emerge of single cellular organisms, which one came first, proteins that catalyse the biosynthesis of nucleic acids or nucleic acids that encode proteins?
 
最初由 农民工 发布
另外请教一个问题。在单细胞生物形成之前,是先有催化核酸形成的酶蛋白,还是先有编码酶蛋白的核酸?

Another question: before the emerge of single cellular organisms, which one comes first, proteins that catalyse the biosynthesis of uncleic acids or uncleic acids that encode proteins?

1st comes first, the simpler comes first.
 
最初由 20厘米先生 发布


1st comes first, the simpler comes first.

That seems not to be a scientific anwer.
 
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